Bathroom security announcement

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Guns in bathroom are rare in MCPS. But we know that drugs are ubiquitous.

The drug problem IN MCPS schools is well-documented and dangerous.

I want SROs back to help manage the drug problem.

If the police are unable to enforce the laws, it's unlikely SROs will do any better. It's not like they were effective at Parkland or Uvalde.

Agree this is a policing issue, that needs to be addressed. We need public hearings to establish why the police aren't enforcing our laws first.

I'm not saying the police are blameless here, but it is my understanding MCPS is not even referring these incidents to the police in the first place. So we can't blame MCPD for cases and incidents that aren't brought to their attention.

I HOPE MCPS is alerting MCPD to instances where they catch dealers distributing in school, but according to many students, many administrators turn a blind eye to that as well.

THIS

It reflects poorly on a school when the police are called, so MCPS leans heavily on NOT involving the police. How can MCPD do anything when MCPS isn’t involving the police.

So now you want MCPS calling the police because kids are vaping in bathrooms?? Yeah that’ll go over well with McPs, the county council, and state as a good use of the police time. Not to mention, can’t wait to see the uproar when some kid gets caught and mommy and daddy are all up in arms worried about this small thing being in their permanent record and how that will look for colleges. Everything sounds like a great punishment right up until it’s your kid staring down the consequences.

I think tiering is a good strategy, and something MCPS does often with regard to student discipline. It could look something like this:

Tier 1: Nicotine, marijuana

First Offense: No police involved, referred to MCPS administrators and disciplinary measures such as detention or RJ
Second Offense: No police involved, but now escalated to in-school suspension
Third Offense: Out of school suspension
Fourth Offense: Police referral

Tier 2: Opioids, heroin, cocaine, crack

First Offense: EITHER no police involved but INTENSE and HANDS-ON MCPS supervisor, including counseling, recovery and close monitoring, or refer to police

With marijuana and nicotine, you can be more forgiving since it's less likely to be life or death. In that category of drugs, only the undeterred repeat offenders should be handed over to law enforcement. For opioids and other hard drugs, you've got to either envelope the student with comprehensive, intensive responses and resources, or hand it over to the county government agencies and law enforcement to deal with if the school district is ill-equipped to solve the problem.

+1 It's not an all or nothing. But they need to do more, something with real teeth, because what we have right now is out of control, and the only way MCPS seems to be dealing with it is by locking the bathrooms, which means all of the kids are impacted.

My DD gets migraines. She needs to stay hydrated or it can trigger her migraines. And let's not forget girls on their periods.

Locking bathrooms is just awful.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

+1 It works. Letting kids run amuck, break rules with no consequences, use drugs, and assault others is abdicating responsibility and preventing kids from learning. It's denying thse kids an education and fair chance to succeed in life. Weak administrators.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

+1 It works. Letting kids run amuck, break rules with no consequences, use drugs, and assault others is abdicating responsibility and preventing kids from learning. It's denying thse kids an education and fair chance to succeed in life. Weak administrators.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

+1 It works. Letting kids run amuck, break rules with no consequences, use drugs, and assault others is abdicating responsibility and preventing kids from learning. It's denying thse kids an education and fair chance to succeed in life. Weak administrators.

If the school administration is knowingly covering up crimes involving assault or controlled substances, then they need to be charged as an accessory. MCPS is not law enforcement. They need to bow out and let the police do their job.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Guns in bathroom are rare in MCPS. But we know that drugs are ubiquitous.

The drug problem IN MCPS schools is well-documented and dangerous.

I want SROs back to help manage the drug problem.

If the police are unable to enforce the laws, it's unlikely SROs will do any better. It's not like they were effective at Parkland or Uvalde.

Agree this is a policing issue, that needs to be addressed. We need public hearings to establish why the police aren't enforcing our laws first.

I'm not saying the police are blameless here, but it is my understanding MCPS is not even referring these incidents to the police in the first place. So we can't blame MCPD for cases and incidents that aren't brought to their attention.

I HOPE MCPS is alerting MCPD to instances where they catch dealers distributing in school, but according to many students, many administrators turn a blind eye to that as well.

THIS

It reflects poorly on a school when the police are called, so MCPS leans heavily on NOT involving the police. How can MCPD do anything when MCPS isn’t involving the police.

So now you want MCPS calling the police because kids are vaping in bathrooms?? Yeah that’ll go over well with McPs, the county council, and state as a good use of the police time. Not to mention, can’t wait to see the uproar when some kid gets caught and mommy and daddy are all up in arms worried about this small thing being in their permanent record and how that will look for colleges. Everything sounds like a great punishment right up until it’s your kid staring down the consequences.

I think tiering is a good strategy, and something MCPS does often with regard to student discipline. It could look something like this:

Tier 1: Nicotine, marijuana

First Offense: No police involved, referred to MCPS administrators and disciplinary measures such as detention or RJ
Second Offense: No police involved, but now escalated to in-school suspension
Third Offense: Out of school suspension
Fourth Offense: Police referral

Tier 2: Opioids, heroin, cocaine, crack

First Offense: EITHER no police involved but INTENSE and HANDS-ON MCPS supervisor, including counseling, recovery and close monitoring, or refer to police

With marijuana and nicotine, you can be more forgiving since it's less likely to be life or death. In that category of drugs, only the undeterred repeat offenders should be handed over to law enforcement. For opioids and other hard drugs, you've got to either envelope the student with comprehensive, intensive responses and resources, or hand it over to the county government agencies and law enforcement to deal with if the school district is ill-equipped to solve the problem.

Sounds good and reasonable to me, as a parent. Let's make this happen.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

MCPS doesn't control federal or state gun control laws, so it's a moot point since we're talking about the steps MCPS can and should take from a security and safety perspective to ensure its buildings are safe and where guns and drugs don't get in.

Stop deflecting and answer the question you were asked. Direct gun control law questions to federal and state legislators.

1. Advocate for common sense gun legislation at the federal and state level.
2. Advocate for harm-mitigation programs and funding at the federal and state level.

Neither of those are immediate steps or actions that will improve the safety and security of the learning environment in the next 30 or 60 days for students. So you want to keep the status quo in place while we wait for the long, indefinite march of advocacy to improve the situation?

That's your solution? You're not serious.

Without using the phrase "bring back the SROs", tell us how you think MCPS should solve problems that are society-wide, in the next 30 or 60 days, .

I have no idea. I'm just for SROs as a way to distract from gun violence and any discussion of gun reform.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Guns in bathroom are rare in MCPS. But we know that drugs are ubiquitous.

The drug problem IN MCPS schools is well-documented and dangerous.

I want SROs back to help manage the drug problem.

If the police are unable to enforce the laws, it's unlikely SROs will do any better. It's not like they were effective at Parkland or Uvalde.

Agree this is a policing issue, that needs to be addressed. We need public hearings to establish why the police aren't enforcing our laws first.

I'm not saying the police are blameless here, but it is my understanding MCPS is not even referring these incidents to the police in the first place. So we can't blame MCPD for cases and incidents that aren't brought to their attention.

I HOPE MCPS is alerting MCPD to instances where they catch dealers distributing in school, but according to many students, many administrators turn a blind eye to that as well.

THIS

It reflects poorly on a school when the police are called, so MCPS leans heavily on NOT involving the police. How can MCPD do anything when MCPS isn’t involving the police.

So now you want MCPS calling the police because kids are vaping in bathrooms?? Yeah that’ll go over well with McPs, the county council, and state as a good use of the police time. Not to mention, can’t wait to see the uproar when some kid gets caught and mommy and daddy are all up in arms worried about this small thing being in their permanent record and how that will look for colleges. Everything sounds like a great punishment right up until it’s your kid staring down the consequences.

I think tiering is a good strategy, and something MCPS does often with regard to student discipline. It could look something like this:

Tier 1: Nicotine, marijuana

First Offense: No police involved, referred to MCPS administrators and disciplinary measures such as detention or RJ
Second Offense: No police involved, but now escalated to in-school suspension
Third Offense: Out of school suspension
Fourth Offense: Police referral

Tier 2: Opioids, heroin, cocaine, crack

First Offense: EITHER no police involved but INTENSE and HANDS-ON MCPS supervisor, including counseling, recovery and close monitoring, or refer to police

With marijuana and nicotine, you can be more forgiving since it's less likely to be life or death. In that category of drugs, only the undeterred repeat offenders should be handed over to law enforcement. For opioids and other hard drugs, you've got to either envelope the student with comprehensive, intensive responses and resources, or hand it over to the county government agencies and law enforcement to deal with if the school district is ill-equipped to solve the problem.

Sounds good and reasonable to me, as a parent. Let's make this happen.

Sounds like a terrible idea. Making MCPS into a quasi law enforcement agency is unnecessary since we already have law enforcement. MCPS needs to focus on education.

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

Which teachers at schools have free time to double as bathroom monitors?

All teachers. Do they not have duties at your school? Our male APs and coaches are also very effective!

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Guns in bathroom are rare in MCPS. But we know that drugs are ubiquitous.

The drug problem IN MCPS schools is well-documented and dangerous.

I want SROs back to help manage the drug problem.

If the police are unable to enforce the laws, it's unlikely SROs will do any better. It's not like they were effective at Parkland or Uvalde.

Agree this is a policing issue, that needs to be addressed. We need public hearings to establish why the police aren't enforcing our laws first.

I'm not saying the police are blameless here, but it is my understanding MCPS is not even referring these incidents to the police in the first place. So we can't blame MCPD for cases and incidents that aren't brought to their attention.

I HOPE MCPS is alerting MCPD to instances where they catch dealers distributing in school, but according to many students, many administrators turn a blind eye to that as well.

THIS

It reflects poorly on a school when the police are called, so MCPS leans heavily on NOT involving the police. How can MCPD do anything when MCPS isn’t involving the police.

So now you want MCPS calling the police because kids are vaping in bathrooms?? Yeah that’ll go over well with McPs, the county council, and state as a good use of the police time. Not to mention, can’t wait to see the uproar when some kid gets caught and mommy and daddy are all up in arms worried about this small thing being in their permanent record and how that will look for colleges. Everything sounds like a great punishment right up until it’s your kid staring down the consequences.

I think tiering is a good strategy, and something MCPS does often with regard to student discipline. It could look something like this:

Tier 1: Nicotine, marijuana

First Offense: No police involved, referred to MCPS administrators and disciplinary measures such as detention or RJ
Second Offense: No police involved, but now escalated to in-school suspension
Third Offense: Out of school suspension
Fourth Offense: Police referral

Tier 2: Opioids, heroin, cocaine, crack

First Offense: EITHER no police involved but INTENSE and HANDS-ON MCPS supervisor, including counseling, recovery and close monitoring, or refer to police

With marijuana and nicotine, you can be more forgiving since it's less likely to be life or death. In that category of drugs, only the undeterred repeat offenders should be handed over to law enforcement. For opioids and other hard drugs, you've got to either envelope the student with comprehensive, intensive responses and resources, or hand it over to the county government agencies and law enforcement to deal with if the school district is ill-equipped to solve the problem.

Sounds good and reasonable to me, as a parent. Let's make this happen.

Sounds like a terrible idea. Making MCPS into a quasi law enforcement agency is unnecessary since we already have law enforcement. MCPS needs to focus on education.

The outlined plan does NOT make MCPS into a quasi enforcement agency. WTF? In both tier 1 and tier 2 paths, they both refer cases to police.

Unless your issue is with the paths for detention/suspension, and you believe MCPS is not supposed to implement ANY kind of discipline for students at all, in which case, I'd say you're a basket case and not to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

I also like the tiering approach outlined above. But we would need people to monitor the bathrooms. I would even be in support of PTA volunteers with a walkie talkie that say “if you aren’t out of this bathroom by the time I count 10, i’m calling the community engagement officer to come here. I can’t stop you from using but you’re not going to do it in the bathroom.”

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

Which teachers at schools have free time to double as bathroom monitors?

All teachers. Do they not have duties at your school? Our male APs and coaches are also very effective!

The teachers at my kid's MCPS DCC high school are already stretched to the max and already struggling to keep up with the SEL learning that's dumped on them, policing cell phone use in the classroom and keeping up with the grade book to have time to patrol bathrooms on top of that.

But I guess your mileage may very? I dunno.

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Anonymous wrote:I also like the tiering approach outlined above. But we would need people to monitor the bathrooms. I would even be in support of PTA volunteers with a walkie talkie that say “if you aren’t out of this bathroom by the time I count 10, i’m calling the community engagement officer to come here. I can’t stop you from using but you’re not going to do it in the bathroom.”

I'm leery of using volunteers for work that really should be funded and fully staffed, but it's better than nothing. I like the creative thinking applied here.

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Anonymous wrote:I also like the tiering approach outlined above. But we would need people to monitor the bathrooms. I would even be in support of PTA volunteers with a walkie talkie that say “if you aren’t out of this bathroom by the time I count 10, i’m calling the community engagement officer to come here. I can’t stop you from using but you’re not going to do it in the bathroom.”

LOL. What parent is going to monitor the bathrooms and risk getting into confrontations with the teens who may be larger than the adult.

OMG. This is hysterical. We are not talking about ES school kids, or your kids where 1-2-3 magic might work on them. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:“During transition periods and more unstructured times, like before school, after school and lunch periods, schools may limit access to designated restrooms.”

So, at the impacted secondary schools, when do kids use the bathroom? During class only? Or wait during lunch for the only open restroom? Will teachers always allow kids to use the bathroom during class?

It would help if you found a new hobby. Obsessing about bathrooms seems unhealthy.

Okay, boymom

FTR, I am a boymom and the bathroom situation infuriates me. My son avoids going to the bathroom also and it’s ridiculous.

School bathrooms were sketchy when I was in school 30 years ago, and I avoided them. I guess nothing really changes.

Kids were overdosing and dying or getting shot in the bathrooms 30 years ago?

Kind of hard to believe since Magruder was the first-ever school shooting in MCPS history....

It's good to know that a rare thing then.

How many bathroom shootings will it take for you to feel MCPS should alter its security strategy and posture with regard to bathrooms? 10 dead kids? 20? How much collateral damage are you ok with so you can preserve the status quo and why are their lives worth that to you?

A better question might be how many school shootings do there have to be until common Sense gun legislation is enacted. This isn't about bathrooms or MCPS. Anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

If the previous poster is concerned about school shootings like they claim, then gun control legislation makes perfect sense to but I have the impression they have a different political agenda.

Clearly YOU have a political agenda.

Reading this thread, there seems to be plenty of parents posting who do not have a political agenda, but who want their kids to be able to use the restrooms at school during the day.

That is not an unreasonable expectation.

I am happy to support whatever will help improve the situation. Bathrooms have become a ‘safe’ place for kids to use and distribute drugs. All kids of drugs. This needs to be fixed, they can deal/use drugs elsewhere, but get them out of our schools.

Station a teacher outside each bathroom. No more than 2 or 3 students at a time allowed to enter bathroom. No backpacks, jackets, or hoodies. It works.

Literally what was done at my HS in the 90s. Just do it already!

Which teachers at schools have free time to double as bathroom monitors?

All teachers. Do they not have duties at your school? Our male APs and coaches are also very effective!

The teachers at my kid's MCPS DCC high school are already stretched to the max and already struggling to keep up with the SEL learning that's dumped on them, policing cell phone use in the classroom and keeping up with the grade book to have time to patrol bathrooms on top of that.

But I guess your mileage may very? I dunno.

I understand. Still, you can't allow kids to do whatever they want. Schools need discipline, rules, and consequences. In school suspension, out of school suspension, teachers in hallways between classes, study halls after school, etc. Other school systems do. Why not MCPS?

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Quit yer complainin' With SROs out of schools, arrests of students is way down. Now we have more equity and diversity.

Yes, there may be drug use and worse in the bathrooms, but we are no longer sending these good, innocent children down the school-to-prison pipeline. Restorative justice is the way to go.

If you don't like it, send your kids to private.