Prince Harry’s book

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Anonymous wrote:He is such a whining attention seeker

Funny. no one says that about Diana. She is, instead, a martyr.
Secondly, there's no bad press about the other royals. Not Anne who left her husband, not her kids, and really low key reporting on Andrew with the Epstein case, nothing about Camilla, nothing about Beatrice's husband and his divorce- just passing references. They've been after Meghan like swarms of bees.

The ours used to say that about Diana all the time. And Camilla was roped to pieces for being a horse face marriage wrecker.

For a minute. That's it.

Sounds like you missed most of the 1990s.

I was living in England and the age of Diana in the 1990s. I didn't miss anything. Literally nothing happened to Camilla that has happened to Meghan. Nothing. And you can see there's nothing happening now. Nothing about Andrew. Nothing about Anne's adult kids and their respective spouses, nothing about Phillip who went unscathed for his entire marriage, but everything is piled on Meghan.

Philip certainly didn’t go unscathed - he famously made many gaffes, frequently racist ones. I am British, lived in the UK during the 90s and Camilla was HATED! Zara got a lot of negativity for marrying a rugby player. Anne and her kids for being horsey. Charles for being dumb. Kate was “wait-y Katie”. Chelsy was hounded. Fergie got hate after hate (and don’t forget toe-gate, and Charles “I want to be your tampon”. Meghan is different because of the racism and because it’s now solely on them - perhaps because of a deal or collusion by the Royal press offices . I have no idea why Andrew, a pedophile allegedly has got off so lightly.

What does being horsey mean and why is it bad?

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Anonymous wrote:He is such a whining attention seeker

Funny. no one says that about Diana. She is, instead, a martyr.
Secondly, there's no bad press about the other royals. Not Anne who left her husband, not her kids, and really low key reporting on Andrew with the Epstein case, nothing about Camilla, nothing about Beatrice's husband and his divorce- just passing references. They've been after Meghan like swarms of bees.

The ours used to say that about Diana all the time. And Camilla was roped to pieces for being a horse face marriage wrecker.

For a minute. That's it.

Sounds like you missed most of the 1990s.

I was living in England and the age of Diana in the 1990s. I didn't miss anything. Literally nothing happened to Camilla that has happened to Meghan. Nothing. And you can see there's nothing happening now. Nothing about Andrew. Nothing about Anne's adult kids and their respective spouses, nothing about Phillip who went unscathed for his entire marriage, but everything is piled on Meghan.

Yeah, you definitely missed stuff, honey.

Your reading comprehension is poor, honey. Reread my comment.

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Anonymous wrote:What I got out of the book is that he's spoiled and entitled and has never been held or taken responsibility for anything. He needs to do a lot of work to fix himself.

Because you did not read it.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a lot of memoirs and biographies (my favorite genre) and I was really excited about this one after learning it was the same ghostwriter who wrote Andre Agassi’s memoir. Some of my takeaways:

The opening scene with Harry, his father, and William was a bit cringe, but the book gets much better from there. I guess what bothers me is how Harry often approaches his brother so openly and then gets treated with derision time after time, but comes back for more. When he knocked on William’s door to introduce Meghan, I knew that wouldn’t go well at all and I was embarrassed for him. William was so dismissive and standoffish to his little brother wanting to share and be open about his life and have a real connection with the people in his family.

The parts about flying an Apache helicopter were fascinating to me and that’s why I read memoirs - the varied life experiences people have and you never know what information is going to pop up. Same with all of the travel adventures and discovering a new way of seeing the world through his time spent in Africa.

It’s a great memoir - insightful, touching, honest - deals with childhood memories, grief, relationships, work, travel. I believe the book has been slandered in the press so much because they don’t want people to read it and come away with a different perspective than the media has carefully curated.

I agree with all of this, except that I think clearly people don’t believe the Palace spin because it has become a huge bestseller.

I hope he writes a sequel.

I am very close to getting this book from the library so I have not read it yet. But since I am so close, obviously, I have been interested for a while. But I will confess that I was completely put off by the frostbite/Elizabeth Arden disclosure. I assume it's better contextualized in the book and not utterly oedipal and TMI?

If you heard the description of that bit in his interview with Colbert, you’ve heard it all, and Colbert humorously took it a bit farther than Harry did in the book. It IS Oedipal and a bit TMI, but, for me, it read more as goofy-jock-has-an-adventure with unanticipated and extremely inconvenient consequences, rather than as something salacious. And I giggled at learning a new word. I think an editor wanted a funny story to balance out quite a lot of content that’s far from funny. DP

It really was just an anecdotal story that was humorous. That's all. Stop reading the comments of people who are twisting it up into something else. It was far more innocuous thar Charles' tampon comment.

Charles’ comment was supposed to be private.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a lot of memoirs and biographies (my favorite genre) and I was really excited about this one after learning it was the same ghostwriter who wrote Andre Agassi’s memoir. Some of my takeaways:

The opening scene with Harry, his father, and William was a bit cringe, but the book gets much better from there. I guess what bothers me is how Harry often approaches his brother so openly and then gets treated with derision time after time, but comes back for more. When he knocked on William’s door to introduce Meghan, I knew that wouldn’t go well at all and I was embarrassed for him. William was so dismissive and standoffish to his little brother wanting to share and be open about his life and have a real connection with the people in his family.

The parts about flying an Apache helicopter were fascinating to me and that’s why I read memoirs - the varied life experiences people have and you never know what information is going to pop up. Same with all of the travel adventures and discovering a new way of seeing the world through his time spent in Africa.

It’s a great memoir - insightful, touching, honest - deals with childhood memories, grief, relationships, work, travel. I believe the book has been slandered in the press so much because they don’t want people to read it and come away with a different perspective than the media has carefully curated.

I agree with all of this, except that I think clearly people don’t believe the Palace spin because it has become a huge bestseller.

I hope he writes a sequel.

I am very close to getting this book from the library so I have not read it yet. But since I am so close, obviously, I have been interested for a while. But I will confess that I was completely put off by the frostbite/Elizabeth Arden disclosure. I assume it's better contextualized in the book and not utterly oedipal and TMI?

If you heard the description of that bit in his interview with Colbert, you’ve heard it all, and Colbert humorously took it a bit farther than Harry did in the book. It IS Oedipal and a bit TMI, but, for me, it read more as goofy-jock-has-an-adventure with unanticipated and extremely inconvenient consequences, rather than as something salacious. And I giggled at learning a new word. I think an editor wanted a funny story to balance out quite a lot of content that’s far from funny. DP

It really was just an anecdotal story that was humorous. That's all. Stop reading the comments of people who are twisting it up into something else. It was far more innocuous thar Charles' tampon comment.

Charles’ comment was supposed to be private.

And yet he is king. So he wants to be Camilla's tampon, but Harry's frostbite it just too pearl clutching, is that right? Come on.

How about Charle'a temper tantrums in public, some very recently? All swept under the rug. But Harry is a problem. Come on.

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I think Prince Harry took a lot of the mystery away with this book, and now he just looks like a whiner. It’s been a huge success in terms of selling books, but his reputation? Wowww he is totally F*cked. Meghan is sooooo desperate to be one of the Hollywood elite (evidence: in voting the clooneys, Oprah etc to her wedding when she hadn’t even met them, instead of her actual family and friends) but now she is an actual joke in Hollywood. Chelsea handler, jimmy kimmel, Seth Myers, they’re getting roasted everywhere. Couldn’t happen to a better couple.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Prince Harry took a lot of the mystery away with this book, and now he just looks like a whiner. It’s been a huge success in terms of selling books, but his reputation? Wowww he is totally F*cked. Meghan is sooooo desperate to be one of the Hollywood elite (evidence: in voting the clooneys, Oprah etc to her wedding when she hadn’t even met them, instead of her actual family and friends) but now she is an actual joke in Hollywood. Chelsea handler, jimmy kimmel, Seth Myers, they’re getting roasted everywhere. Couldn’t happen to a better couple.

You didn’t read the book.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Prince Harry took a lot of the mystery away with this book, and now he just looks like a whiner. It’s been a huge success in terms of selling books, but his reputation? Wowww he is totally F*cked. Meghan is sooooo desperate to be one of the Hollywood elite (evidence: in voting the clooneys, Oprah etc to her wedding when she hadn’t even met them, instead of her actual family and friends) but now she is an actual joke in Hollywood. Chelsea handler, jimmy kimmel, Seth Myers, they’re getting roasted everywhere. Couldn’t happen to a better couple.

You didn’t read the book.

Why do you say this? I actually did. I am canadian so the royal family is a lot more relevant to us, and many of us know more about the royals than the average American. I read it and think he made a massive mistake releasing this book. He is now a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:What I got out of the book is that he's spoiled and entitled and has never been held or taken responsibility for anything. He needs to do a lot of work to fix himself.

Because you did not read it.

Are you just going to post this on every comment that doesn’t agree with you? We read the book.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a lot of memoirs and biographies (my favorite genre) and I was really excited about this one after learning it was the same ghostwriter who wrote Andre Agassi’s memoir. Some of my takeaways:

The opening scene with Harry, his father, and William was a bit cringe, but the book gets much better from there. I guess what bothers me is how Harry often approaches his brother so openly and then gets treated with derision time after time, but comes back for more. When he knocked on William’s door to introduce Meghan, I knew that wouldn’t go well at all and I was embarrassed for him. William was so dismissive and standoffish to his little brother wanting to share and be open about his life and have a real connection with the people in his family.

The parts about flying an Apache helicopter were fascinating to me and that’s why I read memoirs - the varied life experiences people have and you never know what information is going to pop up. Same with all of the travel adventures and discovering a new way of seeing the world through his time spent in Africa.

It’s a great memoir - insightful, touching, honest - deals with childhood memories, grief, relationships, work, travel. I believe the book has been slandered in the press so much because they don’t want people to read it and come away with a different perspective than the media has carefully curated.

I agree! I liked the beginning- it shows how the family, his father and brother, has teamed up against him. How hard it is for him to even try. To talk. For Meghan to talk. Why is no one discussing William?

It was a good book- not at all what people assume from stupid out of context leaks that are wrong. I hope he writes another one.

This is a memoir. This is his perception and emotional recollection of a memory that William teamed up against him or that William was dismissive or standoffish or that Wiliam treats him with derision. That isn't fact. It is his interpretation and perception and emotional response to his memory of those interactions. How people interpret the intentions and motivations and actions of others is rarely accurate - once you engage the other involved parties. Each person views it through their own biases and assumptions and context and emotions. Perceptions vary widely.

Not every other persons's perception of you and your actions and your intentions will be something you would agree with at all and the same is true of your perceptions and interpretations of others.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a lot of memoirs and biographies (my favorite genre) and I was really excited about this one after learning it was the same ghostwriter who wrote Andre Agassi’s memoir. Some of my takeaways:

The opening scene with Harry, his father, and William was a bit cringe, but the book gets much better from there. I guess what bothers me is how Harry often approaches his brother so openly and then gets treated with derision time after time, but comes back for more. When he knocked on William’s door to introduce Meghan, I knew that wouldn’t go well at all and I was embarrassed for him. William was so dismissive and standoffish to his little brother wanting to share and be open about his life and have a real connection with the people in his family.

The parts about flying an Apache helicopter were fascinating to me and that’s why I read memoirs - the varied life experiences people have and you never know what information is going to pop up. Same with all of the travel adventures and discovering a new way of seeing the world through his time spent in Africa.

It’s a great memoir - insightful, touching, honest - deals with childhood memories, grief, relationships, work, travel. I believe the book has been slandered in the press so much because they don’t want people to read it and come away with a different perspective than the media has carefully curated.

I agree! I liked the beginning- it shows how the family, his father and brother, has teamed up against him. How hard it is for him to even try. To talk. For Meghan to talk. Why is no one discussing William?

It was a good book- not at all what people assume from stupid out of context leaks that are wrong. I hope he writes another one.

This is a memoir. This is his perception and emotional recollection of a memory that William teamed up against him or that William was dismissive or standoffish or that Wiliam treats him with derision. That isn't fact. It is his interpretation and perception and emotional response to his memory of those interactions. How people interpret the intentions and motivations and actions of others is rarely accurate - once you engage the other involved parties. Each person views it through their own biases and assumptions and context and emotions. Perceptions vary widely.

Not every other persons's perception of you and your actions and your intentions will be something you would agree with at all and the same is true of your perceptions and interpretations of others.

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Not to mention that he is also looking for sympathy and trying to make pretty much everyone else look bad. It's 100% his view and highly slanted. I think he's annoying. But I'm not really a fan of any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I read a lot of memoirs and biographies (my favorite genre) and I was really excited about this one after learning it was the same ghostwriter who wrote Andre Agassi’s memoir. Some of my takeaways:

The opening scene with Harry, his father, and William was a bit cringe, but the book gets much better from there. I guess what bothers me is how Harry often approaches his brother so openly and then gets treated with derision time after time, but comes back for more. When he knocked on William’s door to introduce Meghan, I knew that wouldn’t go well at all and I was embarrassed for him. William was so dismissive and standoffish to his little brother wanting to share and be open about his life and have a real connection with the people in his family.

The parts about flying an Apache helicopter were fascinating to me and that’s why I read memoirs - the varied life experiences people have and you never know what information is going to pop up. Same with all of the travel adventures and discovering a new way of seeing the world through his time spent in Africa.

It’s a great memoir - insightful, touching, honest - deals with childhood memories, grief, relationships, work, travel. I believe the book has been slandered in the press so much because they don’t want people to read it and come away with a different perspective than the media has carefully curated.

I agree! I liked the beginning- it shows how the family, his father and brother, has teamed up against him. How hard it is for him to even try. To talk. For Meghan to talk. Why is no one discussing William?

It was a good book- not at all what people assume from stupid out of context leaks that are wrong. I hope he writes another one.

This is a memoir. This is his perception and emotional recollection of a memory that William teamed up against him or that William was dismissive or standoffish or that Wiliam treats him with derision. That isn't fact. It is his interpretation and perception and emotional response to his memory of those interactions. How people interpret the intentions and motivations and actions of others is rarely accurate - once you engage the other involved parties. Each person views it through their own biases and assumptions and context and emotions. Perceptions vary widely.

Not every other persons's perception of you and your actions and your intentions will be something you would agree with at all and the same is true of your perceptions and interpretations of others.

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Not to mention that he is also looking for sympathy and trying to make pretty much everyone else look bad. It's 100% his view and highly slanted. I think he's annoying. But I'm not really a fan of any of them.

Recollections may vary.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Prince Harry took a lot of the mystery away with this book, and now he just looks like a whiner. It’s been a huge success in terms of selling books, but his reputation? Wowww he is totally F*cked. Meghan is sooooo desperate to be one of the Hollywood elite (evidence: in voting the clooneys, Oprah etc to her wedding when she hadn’t even met them, instead of her actual family and friends) but now she is an actual joke in Hollywood. Chelsea handler, jimmy kimmel, Seth Myers, they’re getting roasted everywhere. Couldn’t happen to a better couple.

+1. People aren’t buying the book as a sign or support. They are reading it to get a peek behind the curtains. Everyone stops to look at a trainwreck. Look at H&M’s approval ratings both before and after the boom launch. They went from low to lower.

I always loved Harry and loved Meghan initially. I couldn’t name the precise time my opinion changed but it was definitely changed by finding out she penned the letter to her dear daddy in calligraphy with the intention that the letter be leaked.

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Anonymous wrote:He is such a whining attention seeker

Funny. no one says that about Diana. She is, instead, a martyr.
Secondly, there's no bad press about the other royals. Not Anne who left her husband, not her kids, and really low key reporting on Andrew with the Epstein case, nothing about Camilla, nothing about Beatrice's husband and his divorce- just passing references. They've been after Meghan like swarms of bees.

The ours used to say that about Diana all the time. And Camilla was roped to pieces for being a horse face marriage wrecker.

For a minute. That's it.

Sounds like you missed most of the 1990s.

I was living in England and the age of Diana in the 1990s. I didn't miss anything. Literally nothing happened to Camilla that has happened to Meghan. Nothing. And you can see there's nothing happening now. Nothing about Andrew. Nothing about Anne's adult kids and their respective spouses, nothing about Phillip who went unscathed for his entire marriage, but everything is piled on Meghan.

Philip certainly didn’t go unscathed - he famously made many gaffes, frequently racist ones. I am British, lived in the UK during the 90s and Camilla was HATED! Zara got a lot of negativity for marrying a rugby player. Anne and her kids for being horsey. Charles for being dumb. Kate was “wait-y Katie”. Chelsy was hounded. Fergie got hate after hate (and don’t forget toe-gate, and Charles “I want to be your tampon”. Meghan is different because of the racism and because it’s now solely on them - perhaps because of a deal or collusion by the Royal press offices . I have no idea why Andrew, a pedophile allegedly has got off so lightly.

You gave the 1 or 15 minute examples of criticism of each of the above, but it was not world wide condemnation for any. Kate is chronicalled as perfect on a daily basis, her family beyond reproach, Fergie still lives with Andrew, she is beloved by Brits. No mention of Anne's son's divorce to speak of other than a day's worth. Phillip's affairs have never been brought to the papers, only alluded to in various documentations. He nearly killed someone driving around a few years before he was too sick. His gaffes were only the butt of jokes. Charles and Camilla are King and Queen now. Andrew is ever present and will return to royal standing. Why wasn't he raked over the coals? That was the information trade off... that Harry implied.
Harry and Meghan-called narcissistic, whiney, attention seeking, ungrateful, unhinged, power seeking, dangerous- for years. One doesn't even need to read the book to understand.

As I actually lived through this in the UK and understand the tabloids, I could give many more examples but there isn’t time. No Fergie is not beloved, far from it. No Phillips gaffes were not only jokes. Yes, things have changed now. They generally get more positive coverage and Megan doesn’t. But you must have been asleep if you missed all the anger and negativity directed at Kate, for example.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that so many readers here are taking him at his word.

While I find it interesting that so many people don’t understand what a memoir is — as opposed to a biography. I also find it interesting that so many people are criticizing the book — without having actually read the book. I’m fine with taking Harry at his word. He’s describing his own impressions and experiences, with quite a lot of supporting context, and that’s what I expect from a memoir.

The book is very critical — in an understandable, straightforward, and detailed way — of the British tabloid press. Basing one’s opinion on cherry-picked bits and pieces from the book, particularly if those bits are being manipulated by the tabloids, is doing the book a great disservice.

Very well said.

He actually speaks lovingly of his family. No one has apparently read it.

I agree. Though it’s clear that many people here have read it. I also said the same thing earlier in the thread.