New Netflix documentary: "Live to Lead" from Harry and Meghan

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand people judging or criticizing celebrities. However, I don't get cult like supporters who can't hear any criticism against their beloved deities. Where is this devotion originating from?

Cult-like supporters? I'm seeing none of that, but much more of the opposite. Cult-like haters who are so devoted to their hatred against this person that they resort to name-calling and are genuinely incapable of incorporating new information or evidence.

You just proved my point.

…how? Speaking out in defense of someone, or even just dispassionately offering facts to support a counterargument, does not mean you are a “cult-like supporter”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These are two over privileged narcissists who are angry because they aren't being worshipped. To complain about your free house because it isn't befitting their station in life when so many are homeless and hurting, is unconscionable.

They are petulant, whining babies and I hope the King freezes them out of his coronation. They wanted freedom but they still want daddy to support them.

Have you watched their Netflix doc?

DP

Apparently not.

They presented a solid and credible case for themselves and not in a whiny way. Meghan had a full and rich life prior to meeting and marrying Harry. They had shared passions that brought them together. Meghan showed herself as interested in both humanitarian pursuits and being an entertainer from a young age. Her half sister has no cred as she relinquished her own children and did not see Meghan when she was growing up.

The royal family did not protect Harry and Meghan from tabloid feeding frenzies with heavily racist undertones.

I actually like Kate and William as well. I wish William and Harry’s families were not cast as being in competition but as brothers in collaboration to serve Britain and the Commonwealth. Many people draw comfort from the familiarity and cultural continuity of these living symbols of Britain’s Glory days and long history - for better and worse.

However, the royal family squandered a golden opportunity to make themselves more appealing to contemporary diverse Britons and Commonwealth Citizens. The royals have an intensely racist past connected to slavery and colonialism but they could have shown they have made progress by welcoming Meghan into the fold. Instead they did the opposite.

And why is a Charles rushing to take away Archie’s and Lilybet’s titles in petty rebuke? He and Camilla should be doing everything they can to restore good relations with Harry and Meghan .it would be a win win for the monarchy.

The issue is that Meghan will not accept her place in the hierarchy. She refuses to be at all submissive to the people above her and is incensed that anyone has more perks or prestige than she does. I think the BRF did a lot to include her but she wanted to be the main star. Had no sense of deference to the line of succession and was affronted by it. Fundamentally I think she envies Catherine and will be a thorn in the side of the monarchy all her life.

Listen to yourself!
She should be submissive! She should accept her place!

🤦‍♀️

She should. All the other members of the BRF do. It has nothing to do with race. That's what American audiences don't understand. They just see "biracial" and "know your place" and they see/hear "uppity black woman" tropes. That's really not what this is about. Sophie & Edward Duke & Duchess of Wessex (who replaced the Sussexes) know their place and they are white AF.

Sophie and Edward are the perfect example of how Meghan and Harry will be villainized for actions and behaviors that many other members of the royal family have done before them. Your unique and singular hatred from them betrays some sort of bias, but people don't like being told that they've been dripfed how to think by the media. Shrugs. One thing that's become clear to me in the past few weeks, as someone who was previously quite ambivalent about Meghan and Harry, is that they're undoubtedly on the right side of history on this one. The actions of the Royal Family over the last couple of weeks/months have completely vindicated pretty much all of their claims.

Again, you are responding to the American media and American culture version of what all this means. That's the agenda H&M are pushing. Does the BRF have a history of racism? Yes, is they sky blue? Duh. Does that mean that they drove Meghan out because of her race? No. They gave her a much warmer reception than they had given to Di or Kate and she bit the hand that fed her. That is what people in the UK object to. Here in the race-obsessed USA, people have one-track minds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are two over privileged narcissists who are angry because they aren't being worshipped. To complain about your free house because it isn't befitting their station in life when so many are homeless and hurting, is unconscionable.

They are petulant, whining babies and I hope the King freezes them out of his coronation. They wanted freedom but they still want daddy to support them.

Have you watched their Netflix doc?

DP

Apparently not.

They presented a solid and credible case for themselves and not in a whiny way. Meghan had a full and rich life prior to meeting and marrying Harry. They had shared passions that brought them together. Meghan showed herself as interested in both humanitarian pursuits and being an entertainer from a young age. Her half sister has no cred as she relinquished her own children and did not see Meghan when she was growing up.

The royal family did not protect Harry and Meghan from tabloid feeding frenzies with heavily racist undertones.

I actually like Kate and William as well. I wish William and Harry’s families were not cast as being in competition but as brothers in collaboration to serve Britain and the Commonwealth. Many people draw comfort from the familiarity and cultural continuity of these living symbols of Britain’s Glory days and long history - for better and worse.

However, the royal family squandered a golden opportunity to make themselves more appealing to contemporary diverse Britons and Commonwealth Citizens. The royals have an intensely racist past connected to slavery and colonialism but they could have shown they have made progress by welcoming Meghan into the fold. Instead they did the opposite.

And why is a Charles rushing to take away Archie’s and Lilybet’s titles in petty rebuke? He and Camilla should be doing everything they can to restore good relations with Harry and Meghan .it would be a win win for the monarchy.

The issue is that Meghan will not accept her place in the hierarchy. She refuses to be at all submissive to the people above her and is incensed that anyone has more perks or prestige than she does. I think the BRF did a lot to include her but she wanted to be the main star. Had no sense of deference to the line of succession and was affronted by it. Fundamentally I think she envies Catherine and will be a thorn in the side of the monarchy all her life.

Listen to yourself!
She should be submissive! She should accept her place!

🤦‍♀️

She should. All the other members of the BRF do. It has nothing to do with race. That's what American audiences don't understand. They just see "biracial" and "know your place" and they see/hear "uppity black woman" tropes. That's really not what this is about. Sophie & Edward Duke & Duchess of Wessex (who replaced the Sussexes) know their place and they are white AF.

Sophie and Edward are the perfect example of how Meghan and Harry will be villainized for actions and behaviors that many other members of the royal family have done before them. Your unique and singular hatred from them betrays some sort of bias, but people don't like being told that they've been dripfed how to think by the media. Shrugs. One thing that's become clear to me in the past few weeks, as someone who was previously quite ambivalent about Meghan and Harry, is that they're undoubtedly on the right side of history on this one. The actions of the Royal Family over the last couple of weeks/months have completely vindicated pretty much all of their claims.

Again, you are responding to the American media and American culture version of what all this means. That's the agenda H&M are pushing. Does the BRF have a history of racism? Yes, is they sky blue? Duh. Does that mean that they drove Meghan out because of her race? No. They gave her a much warmer reception than they had given to Di or Kate and she bit the hand that fed her. That is what people in the UK object to. Here in the race-obsessed USA, people have one-track minds.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I didn't mention race at all. Why are you bringing that up.

[Anonymous]

Agree with Ms Ruiz’s take. I was initially skeptical about need for Netflix autobiographical series told from H&M’s perspective but it did illuminate many points I was not aware of. Meghan’s mom is a class act and was a credible agent as a black mother with a light skinned daughter in describing the undercurrent role of race in Meghan’s public character assassinations. Her white father and half sister bring new meaning to the art of opportunistic betrayals. Harry pursued her not the other way around and Meghan was very much an earlier version of her current self from a young age.

This is not to cast shade on Kate M and William st all. They do a difficult job with poise and dignity. Irvin’s a great shame that the royal family did not do more to protect Meghan from unhinged tabloid attacks.

https://www.vogue.com/article/meghan-markle-biracial-identity-netflix-series/amp


There’s Still So Much More to Meghan Markle’s Story 
MICHELLE RUIZ
December 8, 2022

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex
Last week on this very website, I questioned the necessity of Harry & Meghan, the six-part Netflix documentary released on Thursday from documentarian Liz Garbus with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s full and candid participation. Why open themselves—and their private camera rolls— to more scrutiny, risking overexposure and potentially diminishing their status? Why give more fuel to vociferous, racist tabloids and trolls after already telling their story in last year’s Oprah sit-down and in Prince Harry’s forthcoming memoir, Spare? 
After a three-hour Netflix binge, consider me swayed—and not just because the docuseries is engrossing confessional television or because the early, clandestine days of their love story are irresistibly endearing (Prince Harry promising to protect Meghan as elephants roamed outside their tent in Botswana became a meaningful vow as she continued to follow him into unfamiliar territory) or because I now know just how married the couple is to call each other by their first initials. Why do this docuseries? Because Meghan only scratched the surface with Oprah, and she’s not the one writing a memoir (yet); because, as Harry & Meghan proved, there’s still so much more of her story—so much nuance and complexity—left to tell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree with Ms Ruiz’s take. I was initially skeptical about need for Netflix autobiographical series told from H&M’s perspective but it did illuminate many points I was not aware of. Meghan’s mom is a class act and was a credible agent as a black mother with a light skinned daughter in describing the undercurrent role of race in Meghan’s public character assassinations. Her white father and half sister bring new meaning to the art of opportunistic betrayals. Harry pursued her not the other way around and Meghan was very much an earlier version of her current self from a young age.

This is not to cast shade on Kate M and William st all. They do a difficult job with poise and dignity. Irvin’s a great shame that the royal family did not do more to protect Meghan from unhinged tabloid attacks.

https://www.vogue.com/article/meghan-markle-biracial-identity-netflix-series/amp


There’s Still So Much More to Meghan Markle’s Story 
MICHELLE RUIZ
December 8, 2022

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex
Last week on this very website, I questioned the necessity of Harry & Meghan, the six-part Netflix documentary released on Thursday from documentarian Liz Garbus with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s full and candid participation. Why open themselves—and their private camera rolls— to more scrutiny, risking overexposure and potentially diminishing their status? Why give more fuel to vociferous, racist tabloids and trolls after already telling their story in last year’s Oprah sit-down and in Prince Harry’s forthcoming memoir, Spare? 
After a three-hour Netflix binge, consider me swayed—and not just because the docuseries is engrossing confessional television or because the early, clandestine days of their love story are irresistibly endearing (Prince Harry promising to protect Meghan as elephants roamed outside their tent in Botswana became a meaningful vow as she continued to follow him into unfamiliar territory) or because I now know just how married the couple is to call each other by their first initials. Why do this docuseries? Because Meghan only scratched the surface with Oprah, and she’s not the one writing a memoir (yet); because, as Harry & Meghan proved, there’s still so much more of her story—so much nuance and complexity—left to tell

Michelle Ruiz appears to be a cult-like superfan who has fallen victim to the venemous cult of Meghan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree with Ms Ruiz’s take. I was initially skeptical about need for Netflix autobiographical series told from H&M’s perspective but it did illuminate many points I was not aware of. Meghan’s mom is a class act and was a credible agent as a black mother with a light skinned daughter in describing the undercurrent role of race in Meghan’s public character assassinations. Her white father and half sister bring new meaning to the art of opportunistic betrayals. Harry pursued her not the other way around and Meghan was very much an earlier version of her current self from a young age.

This is not to cast shade on Kate M and William st all. They do a difficult job with poise and dignity. Irvin’s a great shame that the royal family did not do more to protect Meghan from unhinged tabloid attacks.

https://www.vogue.com/article/meghan-markle-biracial-identity-netflix-series/amp


There’s Still So Much More to Meghan Markle’s Story 
MICHELLE RUIZ
December 8, 2022

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex
Last week on this very website, I questioned the necessity of Harry & Meghan, the six-part Netflix documentary released on Thursday from documentarian Liz Garbus with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s full and candid participation. Why open themselves—and their private camera rolls— to more scrutiny, risking overexposure and potentially diminishing their status? Why give more fuel to vociferous, racist tabloids and trolls after already telling their story in last year’s Oprah sit-down and in Prince Harry’s forthcoming memoir, Spare? 
After a three-hour Netflix binge, consider me swayed—and not just because the docuseries is engrossing confessional television or because the early, clandestine days of their love story are irresistibly endearing (Prince Harry promising to protect Meghan as elephants roamed outside their tent in Botswana became a meaningful vow as she continued to follow him into unfamiliar territory) or because I now know just how married the couple is to call each other by their first initials. Why do this docuseries? Because Meghan only scratched the surface with Oprah, and she’s not the one writing a memoir (yet); because, as Harry & Meghan proved, there’s still so much more of her story—so much nuance and complexity—left to tell

Michelle Ruiz appears to be a cult-like superfan who has fallen victim to the venemous cult of Meghan.

Wishing to see someone treated fairly and given a fair hearing does not a cult member make.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^just adding, I started out liking her. It was her behavior over time that really turned me off. I’m not sure American audiences really get it as there is a culture gap but I used to live in the UK and it’s clear her ungrateful entitled self-aggrandizing attitude was not okay. Honestly I don’t think the BRF realized what they were taking on when they allowed a professional image manipulator and wannabe Hollywood A-listed into their midst. She plays the game better than any commoner would. Add to this that she is more intelligent than all the Royals (and especially Harry) and they have a real problem on their hands. TBH I think she saw this too and was just frustrated that they were holding her back from using her skills to leverage her new lifestyle into a brand like the Kardashians.

She isn’t more intelligent - she didn’t do as well at school as Catherine, she doesn’t have any artistic skills, she can’t maintain relationships. I know I’ll get shouted down but I don’t particularly care. What Meghan is is manipulative and remorseless in her discarding of significant people in her life - not just her dad, but childhood friends, her mailing her ring to her ex-husband. She’s brutal but that attracts admiration and the comparative lack of drama brought by others is seen as weakness instead of what it actually is, personal strength.

This is just completely made up? Meghan graduated from Northwestern with a double major. However you cut it up, that's pretty impressive and she clearly did well in school.

It is NOT made up: you are in fact presenting as factual things that aren’t. Meghan took no honors in college. Fact. Actual fact. Any celebrity who was cum laude or PBK has it in their Wiki. Actual fact. I’m tired of the presumption that a shameless, nasty grifter who is remorseless in attacking her sister in law is also her better. Nope. She isn’t, and it burns her, and the simple fact that she could not stand not entering every room first is why she and stupid Harry have lost much if not most of the goodwill they once had.

Welp, the cray has entered the chat. Just waiting for the bog old lock to come down on the thread.

[Anonymous]

Meghan will be the last American allowed to marry into the BRF. I would have thought they would have learned this for is Wallis W. Simpson!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand people judging or criticizing celebrities. However, I don't get cult like supporters who can't hear any criticism against their beloved deities. Where is this devotion originating from?

Cult-like supporters? I'm seeing none of that, but much more of the opposite. Cult-like haters who are so devoted to their hatred against this person that they resort to name-calling and are genuinely incapable of incorporating new information or evidence.

You just proved my point.

…how? Speaking out in defense of someone, or even just dispassionately offering facts to support a counterargument, does not mean you are a “cult-like supporter”.

NP. Almost everything in the last two pages has been in the realm of cult-like. If you have made a substantive post since page 10 it's likely you are a cult-like supporter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^just adding, I started out liking her. It was her behavior over time that really turned me off. I’m not sure American audiences really get it as there is a culture gap but I used to live in the UK and it’s clear her ungrateful entitled self-aggrandizing attitude was not okay. Honestly I don’t think the BRF realized what they were taking on when they allowed a professional image manipulator and wannabe Hollywood A-listed into their midst. She plays the game better than any commoner would. Add to this that she is more intelligent than all the Royals (and especially Harry) and they have a real problem on their hands. TBH I think she saw this too and was just frustrated that they were holding her back from using her skills to leverage her new lifestyle into a brand like the Kardashians.

She isn’t more intelligent - she didn’t do as well at school as Catherine, she doesn’t have any artistic skills, she can’t maintain relationships. I know I’ll get shouted down but I don’t particularly care. What Meghan is is manipulative and remorseless in her discarding of significant people in her life - not just her dad, but childhood friends, her mailing her ring to her ex-husband. She’s brutal but that attracts admiration and the comparative lack of drama brought by others is seen as weakness instead of what it actually is, personal strength.

This is just completely made up? Meghan graduated from Northwestern with a double major. However you cut it up, that's pretty impressive and she clearly did well in school.

It is NOT made up: you are in fact presenting as factual things that aren’t. Meghan took no honors in college. Fact. Actual fact. Any celebrity who was cum laude or PBK has it in their Wiki. Actual fact. I’m tired of the presumption that a shameless, nasty grifter who is remorseless in attacking her sister in law is also her better. Nope. She isn’t, and it burns her, and the simple fact that she could not stand not entering every room first is why she and stupid Harry have lost much if not most of the goodwill they once had.

Welp, the cray has entered the chat. Just waiting for the bog old lock to come down on the thread.

Yes, your obnoxious ad hominem will shut this down - you can’t argue a damned thing and we all know it. Thanks for your self-own, dearest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand people judging or criticizing celebrities. However, I don't get cult like supporters who can't hear any criticism against their beloved deities. Where is this devotion originating from?

Cult-like supporters? I'm seeing none of that, but much more of the opposite. Cult-like haters who are so devoted to their hatred against this person that they resort to name-calling and are genuinely incapable of incorporating new information or evidence.

You just proved my point.

…how? Speaking out in defense of someone, or even just dispassionately offering facts to support a counterargument, does not mean you are a “cult-like supporter”.

It’s useless to try and reason with them. They really don’t see that they have a bizarre obsession with Meghan.

[Anonymous]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_worship_syndrome

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand people judging or criticizing celebrities. However, I don't get cult like supporters who can't hear any criticism against their beloved deities. Where is this devotion originating from?

Cult-like supporters? I'm seeing none of that, but much more of the opposite. Cult-like haters who are so devoted to their hatred against this person that they resort to name-calling and are genuinely incapable of incorporating new information or evidence.

You just proved my point.

Please explain the "cult-like" behavior that you're seeing.

The same thing we see in MAGA Trimpers.

[Anonymous]

I’m happy for them. The BRF seems miserable, mean, and fake. They seem to have a much better life now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m happy for them. The BRF seems miserable, mean, and fake. They seem to have a much better life now.

They've had multiple tell-all moments, an Oprah interview, memoir, now a 6 hour miniseries. But still no introspection.

It's hard to call a life of grievance a life of happiness.