75% of Maryland 8th grade students and 69 percent of 4th grade students are at or below

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

Kids were never in danger of mass casualties from Covid or we would have seen it happen elsewhere in the country where schools never closed.

Schools never closed. And, it wasn't about the kids, it was about the adults in the community. How do you not get that.

Agreed, it wasn't about the kids...and that's the problem.

Actually it was as maybe not in your part of town but in ours there were kids who lost parents, relatives and grandparents.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

Kids were never in danger of mass casualties from Covid or we would have seen it happen elsewhere in the country where schools never closed.

Schools never closed. And, it wasn't about the kids, it was about the adults in the community. How do you not get that.

Agreed, it wasn't about the kids...and that's the problem.

Actually it was as maybe not in your part of town but in ours there were kids who lost parents, relatives and grandparents.

Most people I know who had in-person work or school showed some restraint around grandparents until they could be vaccinated. Being able to freely pod up with older relatives during that stage of the pandemic was a luxury (my DH never had a WFH option, for example).

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

Kids were never in danger of mass casualties from Covid or we would have seen it happen elsewhere in the country where schools never closed.

Schools never closed. And, it wasn't about the kids, it was about the adults in the community. How do you not get that.

Closing school buildings did not actually save the lives of any adults. We have data that proves it. Areas that closed schools had the same Covid deaths per capita when compared to areas that allowed school buildings to stay open.

Can you link to the study please?

Their claim is complete nonsense. Even at our MCPS school, some kids lost their parents to COVID. Further, as the recent articles have stated learning loss was the same even at schools that remained open in places like FL. I'd just ignore the crazies, you can't reason with them anyway.

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All thiis fuss is about a test that just a few kids took in Baltimore County not even MCPS. Get over it already.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

You must have left a pretty bad moco school because, by objective measures, the good moco schools are better than schools in backwater arkansas

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

The urban institute actual looks at NAEP scores and normalizes them based on student demographics. I.e. comparing middle class white students in one state against middle-class students in another state, poor asians vs poor asians. It's apples vs. apples. When this is done the outcomes look a bit different:

https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/

Florida and Texas do well in almost all of them. The clear take away from the NAEP data is that we should follow the model from Massachusetts; they do well across the board. From an Atlantic article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

"The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools."

So, exactly the opposite of what Maryland decided to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

The urban institute actual looks at NAEP scores and normalizes them based on student demographics. I.e. comparing middle class white students in one state against middle-class students in another state, poor asians vs poor asians. It's apples vs. apples. When this is done the outcomes look a bit different:

https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/

Florida and Texas do well in almost all of them. The clear take away from the NAEP data is that we should follow the model from Massachusetts; they do well across the board. From an Atlantic article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

"The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools."

So, exactly the opposite of what Maryland decided to do.

+1,000

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

You must have left a pretty bad moco school because, by objective measures, the good moco schools are better than schools in backwater arkansas

Reading comprehension. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

The urban institute actual looks at NAEP scores and normalizes them based on student demographics. I.e. comparing middle class white students in one state against middle-class students in another state, poor asians vs poor asians. It's apples vs. apples. When this is done the outcomes look a bit different:

https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/

Florida and Texas do well in almost all of them. The clear take away from the NAEP data is that we should follow the model from Massachusetts; they do well across the board. From an Atlantic article:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/what-are-massachusetts-public-schools-doing-right/483935/

"The Massachusetts experiment with transforming public education traces back to 1993, when state leaders decided to set high standards, establish a stringent accountability system aimed at ensuring that students from all backgrounds were making progress, and open its doors to charter schools."

So, exactly the opposite of what Maryland decided to do.

Thank you for this. Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

Yep, the worst states for education are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) Southern...

41 Arkansas
42 Oklahoma
43 Mississippi
44 South Carolina
45 West Virginia
46 Arizona
47 Alabama
48 Louisiana

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

Yep, the worst states for education are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) Southern...

41 Arkansas
42 Oklahoma
43 Mississippi
44 South Carolina
45 West Virginia
46 Arizona
47 Alabama
48 Louisiana

LOL

Based on what metric? Anyone can post random states with random numbers. Nice try, though.

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Anonymous wrote:For some reason Asian kids did fine during the pandemic. Their scores, including SAT scores, just keep going up. Why is that?

The article says that the downward trend was from 2013. Asian-Americans have already figured out that there are a lot of weaknesses in American education system and so they have been supplementing and teaching their kids at home.

Mostly the Asian-American parents (and specifically the moms) are very well-educated and can teach Math to their children so the children are coming out ahead in STEM. Culturally, there is a huge emphasis on education within families and the community as a whole. Finally, most Asian-Americans first gen were highly educated people from their countries who came to the US. They are not the poorest of the poor, uneducated migrants.

The weaknesses in American education system that most Asians notice and try to overcome are -
1) Shortened school year
2) Lack of textbooks
3) Lack of final exams
4) Lack of discipline in classrooms. Disruptive students are tolerated. Parents are not responsible.
5) Lack of a well defined curriculum, syllabus that is shared with students and parents. Textbooks and units of study that are mapped to the syllabus and curriculum.
6) Not failing any students in any grade and holding them back
7) Grade inflation. Students earn grades for doing homework.
8) Graded assignments and tests are not returned back to students and parents.
9) No comprehensive, standardized curriculum, syallabus, textbooks, testing and school year nationally for all grades and all subjects. Even SAT is going away.

What the US does extremely well -
1) Free education for everybody
2) Free transportation for coming and going to school
3) Free meals
4) Free school supplies.

I find this all pretty accurate.

Honestly, I think the 'free meals' and 'free school supplies' shouldn't be something that MCPS focuses on. There are plenty of other local/state government agencies who can figure that out. MCPS should have one mission - EDUCATION.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

Yep, the worst states for education are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) Southern...

41 Arkansas
42 Oklahoma
43 Mississippi
44 South Carolina
45 West Virginia
46 Arizona
47 Alabama
48 Louisiana

LOL

Based on what metric? Anyone can post random states with random numbers. Nice try, though.

US News you know that site known for ranking places of education...

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that there is a loss of learning due to the pandemic and virtual learning. Im just curious as to what some of you would have done differently? I mean going virtual was the only option at a time. Our kids are alive. Not saying they didn’t pay a price, of course, but what’s here is here .

What a joke.

Relocated to a southern state. Schools were open. Kids excelled.

That I doubt. Southern states’ public schools generally lag way behind the rest of the nation.

+1,000. If you’re actually comparing to the bulk of “Southern states’ public schools” and not cherry picking my the wealthiest suburbs in Texas or Florida.

DP but when DC people move south, we go to the rich areas. Other, poorer school systems are as relevant as Baltimore is to you. We moved south and the schools are much better, by all objective measures. The fact that the schools in backwater Arkansas suck is irrelevant.

Southern states are always at the bottom for public education at least by any objective measure, but whatever you got to tell yourself. Most of the right-wingnuts are already delusional.

Yep, the worst states for education are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) Southern...

41 Arkansas
42 Oklahoma
43 Mississippi
44 South Carolina
45 West Virginia
46 Arizona
47 Alabama
48 Louisiana

Not surprising really. Typical GOP-run states with crumbling infrastructure and terrible schools.