What are the real facts about MCPS inequities?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

I am not the one claimed to pay "triple". That was obviously complete and utter BS. But if you can find two COMPARABLE houses to support that claim go ahead. I'm waiting.

Don't make a bogus comparison and ask another person to correct your shoddy work.

The only bogus comparison is the claim that the PP paid triple in Bethesda what they would have paid in the DCC.

This is a more equal comparison.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Kensington/3102-Decatur-Ave-20895/home/11011075

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

I am not the one claimed to pay "triple". That was obviously complete and utter BS. But if you can find two COMPARABLE houses to support that claim go ahead. I'm waiting.

Don't make a bogus comparison and ask another person to correct your shoddy work.

The only bogus comparison is the claim that the PP paid triple in Bethesda what they would have paid in the DCC.

This is a more equal comparison.

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Kensington/3102-Decatur-Ave-20895/home/11011075

You all totally missed the point 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

These houses that were selling for $300K, 10-12 years ago are often selling for twice that much. The run down ones that are cheaper, given interest rates are up will probably sell after now. Most people cannot afford a $1-3 million dollar house.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

PP said "And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools."

So we're not talking about averages without taking into account the nature of the housing stock. We're talking about the same house. And what the PP suggested does not exist. You can MAYBE find something that is comparable that is a little over half the cost, but you have to go pretty far out for that and then you have to consider that differences in commute account for a lot of it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

PP said "And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools."

So we're not talking about averages without taking into account the nature of the housing stock. We're talking about the same house. And what the PP suggested does not exist. You can MAYBE find something that is comparable that is a little over half the cost, but you have to go pretty far out for that and then you have to consider that differences in commute account for a lot of it.

They got ripped off badly, but seriously people need to do better research. The days of relying on GS ratings are long gone.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

PP said "And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools."

So we're not talking about averages without taking into account the nature of the housing stock. We're talking about the same house. And what the PP suggested does not exist. You can MAYBE find something that is comparable that is a little over half the cost, but you have to go pretty far out for that and then you have to consider that differences in commute account for a lot of it.

They got ripped off badly, but seriously people need to do better research. The days of relying on GS ratings are long gone.

No, that poster is divorced from reality. They also think MCPS wants to bus more kids across town, which is not on the table and nobody in power wants that.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

PP said "And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools."

So we're not talking about averages without taking into account the nature of the housing stock. We're talking about the same house. And what the PP suggested does not exist. You can MAYBE find something that is comparable that is a little over half the cost, but you have to go pretty far out for that and then you have to consider that differences in commute account for a lot of it.

They got ripped off badly, but seriously people need to do better research. The days of relying on GS ratings are long gone.

No, that poster is divorced from reality. They also think MCPS wants to bus more kids across town, which is not on the table and nobody in power wants that.

It is a little funny seeing people get worked up over busing since that's never going to happen. Sure, everyone would be better served if they updated the boundaries, but of course some people. on the edge of Whitman's current boundary might end up at Churchill but does that really matter?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

actual sales figures mean a lot more than your gut. I concede that the median SFH prices for 20910 are pulled down a bit because of the sheer quaintly of low-end housing for poorer residents. For every nicer home there is what a dozen low income spots but that is sort of the point right. You think the small bucolic SHF neighborhoods define the DCC but they don't. It takes 1mil entry in the nicer areas, there is always a rundown street near by in Silver Spring with pretty cheap options. Also when the market slows down we will see what happen to recent gains.

PP said "And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools."

So we're not talking about averages without taking into account the nature of the housing stock. We're talking about the same house. And what the PP suggested does not exist. You can MAYBE find something that is comparable that is a little over half the cost, but you have to go pretty far out for that and then you have to consider that differences in commute account for a lot of it.

They got ripped off badly, but seriously people need to do better research. The days of relying on GS ratings are long gone.

No, that poster is divorced from reality. They also think MCPS wants to bus more kids across town, which is not on the table and nobody in power wants that.

It is a little funny seeing people get worked up over busing since that's never going to happen. Sure, everyone would be better served if they updated the boundaries, but of course some people. on the edge of Whitman's current boundary might end up at Churchill but does that really matter?

The funny thing is these W parents think we want our DCC going to their schools and don't seem to get that we live where we live to avoid those schools. I would be furious if my kid was bused across town to one of those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff salaries are the same from school to school. Facilities are obviously in a wide range of conditions across the county, and there are examples of run-down schools in wealthier areas and brand-new schools in less wealthy areas, and vice versa.

Sadly the academic programs in these schools widely differ as well which is what concerns to most parents.

THe main thing I've noticed so far is many of these kids get math acceleration at an early age. I remember reading rising 6th graders who had scored 250+ on their MAP-M are often placed in Algebra in 6th. I remember one of my kids managed to score higher in 3rd grade when they were 8 on the exact same test but since we were at a DCC school they were forced to sit through compacted math which was a snoozefest for them. I even discussed this with the principal of our school but they said there was nothing they could do about it. I guess it bothers me that kids born on the other side of the tracks are offered these opportunities while this is denied them.

Your resentment is misplaced. There are one or two schools in one W cluster that does this and one less wealthy cluster that does it. All the other schools which are wealthy or poor do not allow this ever. Our DC's school had several kids like this and all took the regular accelerated math track and when we went to MS it was the same. There was absolutely no one accelerated beyond the regular track. Give me a break. You don't know anything.

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All PP1 knows is that their own kid did not get the acceleration that they thought they should have had and "remembers reading" sixth graders who had scored 250+ are "often" placed in Algebra in 6th in some W school. Ergo, the conclusion - it must be because they were in DCC that they were discriminated. This is worse than nonsense - you are propagating resentment.

If you want to know how MCPS operates, read https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html This was a kid that was in a W school, and without a doubt, a doogie howser type. And that parent's fight with MCPS played out in public. You can search up yourself using the father's name. I personally know another family that had a similar kid (W school again) and they had a lot of problems too. They tried to send the kid to a private school specializing in GT kids, and then had to move back to MCPS due to financial reasons. This was a kid that ended up acing SAT in sixth or seventh grade. DC was refused any acceleration - by the central office - even though DC's teachers recommended it. DC later ended up meeting a kid from non W cluster in an extracurricular activity that had been accelerated in the same cohort, who was going to the MS for math in fifth grade.

Truth is, until a few years ago MCPS was universally refusing to do any acceleration, while occasionally allowing some acceleration here and there. It used to look like it was easier to get acceleration if you are not in a W school since the central office was worried about optics. Yes, there were kids in DCC who had to go to the MS for math in fifth grade, but over all, there were not that many.

This changed when the magnet admissions process changed four years ago. When there was a huge outcry since a lot of advanced students were rejected based on the peer cohort criterion, MCPS offered a sop; they offered Algebra for some advanced students in sixth grade, I think in Frost or Cabin John. (I think there were kids from this group that represented Maryland in Mathcounts competition last year, but can not say for sure.) It is by no means the default path in most schools. I am guessing this will also go the same way as AIM/HIGH. (In case of AIM/HIGH - announce cohorted differentiation with fanfare, but after a couple of years, slowly kill it. Say every student will be placed in AIM/HIGH and make it meaningless.) Once things settle down, MCPS will go back to its merry old ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff salaries are the same from school to school. Facilities are obviously in a wide range of conditions across the county, and there are examples of run-down schools in wealthier areas and brand-new schools in less wealthy areas, and vice versa.

Sadly the academic programs in these schools widely differ as well which is what concerns to most parents.

THe main thing I've noticed so far is many of these kids get math acceleration at an early age. I remember reading rising 6th graders who had scored 250+ on their MAP-M are often placed in Algebra in 6th. I remember one of my kids managed to score higher in 3rd grade when they were 8 on the exact same test but since we were at a DCC school they were forced to sit through compacted math which was a snoozefest for them. I even discussed this with the principal of our school but they said there was nothing they could do about it. I guess it bothers me that kids born on the other side of the tracks are offered these opportunities while this is denied them.

Your resentment is misplaced. There are one or two schools in one W cluster that does this and one less wealthy cluster that does it. All the other schools which are wealthy or poor do not allow this ever. Our DC's school had several kids like this and all took the regular accelerated math track and when we went to MS it was the same. There was absolutely no one accelerated beyond the regular track. Give me a break. You don't know anything.

Some DCC schools allow Algebra in 6th.
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All PP1 knows is that their own kid did not get the acceleration that they thought they should have had and "remembers reading" sixth graders who had scored 250+ are "often" placed in Algebra in 6th in some W school. Ergo, the conclusion - it must be because they were in DCC that they were discriminated. This is worse than nonsense - you are propagating resentment.

If you want to know how MCPS operates, read https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html This was a kid that was in a W school, and without a doubt, a doogie howser type. And that parent's fight with MCPS played out in public. You can search up yourself using the father's name. I personally know another family that had a similar kid (W school again) and they had a lot of problems too. They tried to send the kid to a private school specializing in GT kids, and then had to move back to MCPS due to financial reasons. This was a kid that ended up acing SAT in sixth or seventh grade. DC was refused any acceleration - by the central office - even though DC's teachers recommended it. DC later ended up meeting a kid from non W cluster in an extracurricular activity that had been accelerated in the same cohort, who was going to the MS for math in fifth grade.

Truth is, until a few years ago MCPS was universally refusing to do any acceleration, while occasionally allowing some acceleration here and there. It used to look like it was easier to get acceleration if you are not in a W school since the central office was worried about optics. Yes, there were kids in DCC who had to go to the MS for math in fifth grade, but over all, there were not that many.

This changed when the magnet admissions process changed four years ago. When there was a huge outcry since a lot of advanced students were rejected based on the peer cohort criterion, MCPS offered a sop; they offered Algebra for some advanced students in sixth grade, I think in Frost or Cabin John. (I think there were kids from this group that represented Maryland in Mathcounts competition last year, but can not say for sure.) It is by no means the default path in most schools. I am guessing this will also go the same way as AIM/HIGH. (In case of AIM/HIGH - announce cohorted differentiation with fanfare, but after a couple of years, slowly kill it. Say every student will be placed in AIM/HIGH and make it meaningless.) Once things settle down, MCPS will go back to its merry old ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff salaries are the same from school to school. Facilities are obviously in a wide range of conditions across the county, and there are examples of run-down schools in wealthier areas and brand-new schools in less wealthy areas, and vice versa.

Sadly the academic programs in these schools widely differ as well which is what concerns to most parents.

THe main thing I've noticed so far is many of these kids get math acceleration at an early age. I remember reading rising 6th graders who had scored 250+ on their MAP-M are often placed in Algebra in 6th. I remember one of my kids managed to score higher in 3rd grade when they were 8 on the exact same test but since we were at a DCC school they were forced to sit through compacted math which was a snoozefest for them. I even discussed this with the principal of our school but they said there was nothing they could do about it. I guess it bothers me that kids born on the other side of the tracks are offered these opportunities while this is denied them.

Your resentment is misplaced. There are one or two schools in one W cluster that does this and one less wealthy cluster that does it. All the other schools which are wealthy or poor do not allow this ever. Our DC's school had several kids like this and all took the regular accelerated math track and when we went to MS it was the same. There was absolutely no one accelerated beyond the regular track. Give me a break. You don't know anything.

Some DCC schools allow Algebra in 6th.
+1

All PP1 knows is that their own kid did not get the acceleration that they thought they should have had and "remembers reading" sixth graders who had scored 250+ are "often" placed in Algebra in 6th in some W school. Ergo, the conclusion - it must be because they were in DCC that they were discriminated. This is worse than nonsense - you are propagating resentment.

If you want to know how MCPS operates, read https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html This was a kid that was in a W school, and without a doubt, a doogie howser type. And that parent's fight with MCPS played out in public. You can search up yourself using the father's name. I personally know another family that had a similar kid (W school again) and they had a lot of problems too. They tried to send the kid to a private school specializing in GT kids, and then had to move back to MCPS due to financial reasons. This was a kid that ended up acing SAT in sixth or seventh grade. DC was refused any acceleration - by the central office - even though DC's teachers recommended it. DC later ended up meeting a kid from non W cluster in an extracurricular activity that had been accelerated in the same cohort, who was going to the MS for math in fifth grade.

Truth is, until a few years ago MCPS was universally refusing to do any acceleration, while occasionally allowing some acceleration here and there. It used to look like it was easier to get acceleration if you are not in a W school since the central office was worried about optics. Yes, there were kids in DCC who had to go to the MS for math in fifth grade, but over all, there were not that many.

This changed when the magnet admissions process changed four years ago. When there was a huge outcry since a lot of advanced students were rejected based on the peer cohort criterion, MCPS offered a sop; they offered Algebra for some advanced students in sixth grade, I think in Frost or Cabin John. (I think there were kids from this group that represented Maryland in Mathcounts competition last year, but can not say for sure.) It is by no means the default path in most schools. I am guessing this will also go the same way as AIM/HIGH. (In case of AIM/HIGH - announce cohorted differentiation with fanfare, but after a couple of years, slowly kill it. Say every student will be placed in AIM/HIGH and make it meaningless.) Once things settle down, MCPS will go back to its merry old ways.

That didn't work...some DCC allow Algebra in 6th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Staff salaries are the same from school to school. Facilities are obviously in a wide range of conditions across the county, and there are examples of run-down schools in wealthier areas and brand-new schools in less wealthy areas, and vice versa.

Sadly the academic programs in these schools widely differ as well which is what concerns to most parents.

THe main thing I've noticed so far is many of these kids get math acceleration at an early age. I remember reading rising 6th graders who had scored 250+ on their MAP-M are often placed in Algebra in 6th. I remember one of my kids managed to score higher in 3rd grade when they were 8 on the exact same test but since we were at a DCC school they were forced to sit through compacted math which was a snoozefest for them. I even discussed this with the principal of our school but they said there was nothing they could do about it. I guess it bothers me that kids born on the other side of the tracks are offered these opportunities while this is denied them.

Your resentment is misplaced. There are one or two schools in one W cluster that does this and one less wealthy cluster that does it. All the other schools which are wealthy or poor do not allow this ever. Our DC's school had several kids like this and all took the regular accelerated math track and when we went to MS it was the same. There was absolutely no one accelerated beyond the regular track. Give me a break. You don't know anything.

+1

All PP1 knows is that their own kid did not get the acceleration that they thought they should have had and "remembers reading" sixth graders who had scored 250+ are "often" placed in Algebra in 6th in some W school. Ergo, the conclusion - it must be because they were in DCC that they were discriminated. This is worse than nonsense - you are propagating resentment.

If you want to know how MCPS operates, read https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/how-a-top-school-district-tried-to-block-a-very-gifted-child/2016/07/31/32dfc37a-5513-11e6-bbf5-957ad17b4385_story.html This was a kid that was in a W school, and without a doubt, a doogie howser type. And that parent's fight with MCPS played out in public. You can search up yourself using the father's name. I personally know another family that had a similar kid (W school again) and they had a lot of problems too. They tried to send the kid to a private school specializing in GT kids, and then had to move back to MCPS due to financial reasons. This was a kid that ended up acing SAT in sixth or seventh grade. DC was refused any acceleration - by the central office - even though DC's teachers recommended it. DC later ended up meeting a kid from non W cluster in an extracurricular activity that had been accelerated in the same cohort, who was going to the MS for math in fifth grade.

Truth is, until a few years ago MCPS was universally refusing to do any acceleration, while occasionally allowing some acceleration here and there. It used to look like it was easier to get acceleration if you are not in a W school since the central office was worried about optics. Yes, there were kids in DCC who had to go to the MS for math in fifth grade, but over all, there were not that many.

This changed when the magnet admissions process changed four years ago. When there was a huge outcry since a lot of advanced students were rejected based on the peer cohort criterion, MCPS offered a sop; they offered Algebra for some advanced students in sixth grade, I think in Frost or Cabin John. (I think there were kids from this group that represented Maryland in Mathcounts competition last year, but can not say for sure.) It is by no means the default path in most schools. I am guessing this will also go the same way as AIM/HIGH. (In case of AIM/HIGH - announce cohorted differentiation with fanfare, but after a couple of years, slowly kill it. Say every student will be placed in AIM/HIGH and make it meaningless.) Once things settle down, MCPS will go back to its merry old ways.

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Agree, it's disgraceful that a student with the exact same scores is put a year ahead at a w feeder but ignored at a DCC school.

[Anonymous]

It’s sad that any child that has the aptitude to be accelerated is held back by MCPS. Math is a particular hurdle because some MCPS high schools don’t offer anything beyond BC Calculus.

[Anonymous]

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DP. I think this is the typical W school parent viewpoint. It will take a while for the previous reputation of Wheaton to change. It is a very different school from what it was even a few years ago.

Sounds about right. I think many feel threatened by change and have trouble accepting it. Wheaton's engineering programs have distinguished themselves at both state and national level. It sounds like a stellar program.

April 26, 2022 - D.C. Police: Van Ness Shooter Previously Attended Wheaton High School
https://www.mymcmedia.org/d-c-police-van-ness-shooter-attended-wheaton-high-school/

January 21st 2022 - Wheaton HS student brings gun to school, 2nd time in 10 days weapon reported there
https://wjla.com/news/local/wheaton-high-school-bb-gun-montgomery-county-police-loaded-handgun-marijuana-backpack-teen-student

January 12, 2022 - Wheaton High School student had loaded gun, marijuana, police say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/01/12/wheaton-high-student-gun-marijuana/

February 21, 2020 - Boy arrested for shooting threat at Wheaton high school
https://www.localdvm.com/video/boy-arrested-for-shooting-threat-at-wheaton-high-school/4347474/

Good thing that stuff never happens at W schools....oh wait


https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/two-winston-churchill-high-students-taken-to-hospital-after-vaping-on-school-property/

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/bb-guns-recovered-at-magruder-walter-johnson-high-schools/


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/education/threat-leads-heightened-security-presence-winston-churchill-high-school-tuesday/65-1ba47c94-6497-4450-894f-da3f0adef2e4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox5dc.com/news/walt-whitman-hs-student-found-with-pellet-gun-at-school-police.amp

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/maryland-student-journalist-report-exposes-alleged-toxic-drug-alcohol-and-hookup-culture-at-bethesda-school-dance/65-f528b85c-65dc-4601-a753-f16c1f568a38

Your evidence is two kids vaping, a fake social media threat, a school that isn't even "W's" (Magruder? seriously?), bb and pellet guns, and sexual harassment. Understood that these are serious issues that are occurring in many schools (it happens so often at Kennedy, Gaithersburg, Watkins Mill, and a bunch of other HS they aren't even reported as news), but compared to REAL guns, shooting threats and shootings?

Please. Give me a break.