What are the real facts about MCPS inequities?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

+1 I am the PP and I grew up in the Ws. What the PPs don't understand is the idea of looking at comparable houses. You all think a 2,300 sq ft house is a "shack" where in my DCC neighborhood that is a fairly sizable house that will go for $750k if in good condition, not affordable to middle class people and a lot more than 1/3rd the price of comparable houses in the Whitman feeder neighborhood where I grew up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

well I guess if you say so you must be right.. Please inform the guy who owns numerous rentals in 20901,20910 and lives in close in Bethesda how rich you feel in your 695k rambler. Just don't forget that the raising tide that has embolden you has been raising all boats including the bigger ones.

Just to prove a point that you're being emotional; the median sales price for 20910 which is one of the priciest silver spring Zips is 465k where 20816 is 1.366Mil. Almost exactly 3x like the original poster stated.

DP, you're not proving anything except that you have never actually been to 20910 or bothered to look at what exactly $465k gets you there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why I applaud the BOE's efforts to analyze cluster boundaries and to bus the W kids away to other schools so that other kids can have these opportunities regardless of where their parents can afford to buy a home.

Don’t you get it? It will never work. Ever. We live in bounds for Whitman and you know what happens if they redistrict and want to bus my kids across town so other kids can “have these opportunities”? We buy a new house in the new in bounds for Whitman. As do all of our friends. Or we go to private. And then all the “extra parent funds” you want will be gone. Guess what? Life isn’t fair. It’s not. Some people have more. My husband works 60-70 hour weeks plus weekends. Does yours? And we paid triple for our house in our neighborhood as it would have cost in yours because of the schools. I wish that the BOE would spend the money doing they’re spending on this stupid redistricting analysis and actually TRY to figure out what to do to help lower performing schools. But if you think all the Whitman parents are just going to wave as their kid gets on a bus across town you’re out of your mind.

School choice works fine in the DCC and many DCC schools are adjacent to W's, I can imagine something along these lines would work fine. Put a STEM magnet at Kennedy and W kidds will be climbing all over themselves to get in.

Also many of the W boundaries aren't even near the school that they serve. So much more could be done without even bussing anyone.

So much false information/misconceptions in this convo lol

1. Houses in the DCC are much more expensive than you think. Nobody is paying "triple" for the same house in Bethesda compared with the DCC.
2. Having a segregated magnet program within a school as a way to "desegregate" is dumb. Just one more way MCPS talks a big game about equity but doesn't do anything substantive. Everyone should be against this.
3. Plenty of kids take the bus to school currently. Many take it long distances to attend whatever special segregated program MCPS created to massage its numbers. There is no plan or desire to bus DCC kids to Whitman. You all think MoCo is basically Bethesda/Potomac and then everywhere else. It's not. There are plenty of ways to create more balanced demographics by looking at adjacent school clusters.

I agree with much of your points but you are misinformed about the housing prices. The top of the DCC housing is right about at the bottom of the real Bethesda or chevy chase pricing and most of that parity has only been in the last few years. It has only been within that last couple of years that a million price was obtainable for anything except the nicest of unicorns in the DCC and that was only possible in the nicest parts of Woodside, Sligo Park hills and TP. While the Close in DCC has gone up recently the basic facts is that the tiny or rundown entry price of about 1mil in Bethesda or Chevy Chase gets you one of the nicest houses anywhere in the DCC and 2 nice houses in the non-close in parts. Many many of the W houses are north of 2mil and up. The concentration of money are simply not comparable and that is reflected in the school demographis and results.

You are wrong

+1. The DCC housing market gap with Chevy Chase / Bethesda is most certainly narrowing. There aren’t the ultra-expensive homes, but other than that many areas are on par or even more expensive than CC/Bethesda (Takoma Park, Woodmoor, some other areas of Silver Spring)

[Anonymous]

Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

[Anonymous]

MCPS just offered an extra 25% to SpEd staff working this summer to attract more employees. The staff in those programs are burnt out and need time off or have family to take care of.

The problem is that they are not providing any curriculum for the staff to follow and they still have to do endless IEP paperwork and meetings. Lots of staff want to “help” but no one wants to actually teach because of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Make no mistake, MCPS talks a big game about equity but they cave a lot to the squeakiest wheels which are wealthy white parents.

This is hysterical [NOT], as my children are at a W, and we get ignored by MCPS and the BOE. They cave to everything for TP/SS. If we want something done, we have to fund it ourselves, which are fortunate to be able to do. But it has nothing to do with MCPS caving to us, and everything to do with parents spending money on things that should have been provided.

Please describe the things that MCPS should have provided, that the parents provided instead.

I'd like to see the response to this as well. I was PTA president at a non-W/ non-Title I school and there were quite a few things that the county was supposed to provide, and would have provided, had the principal been willing to push hard enough. But MCPS makes it so hard to get certain materials and services that it's easier to just have the PTA/parents fund it so they can get it done quicker and circumvent the system. I'm not saying this is always the case but I saw it happen over and over again at my kids' school. We had a good fundraising program in place so the money wasn't an issue but it's hard to convince the school administration to fight with the central office when the PTA is willing/able to be an ATM.

Right there with you. The PTA was constantly asked to provide for things at my kids' focus school that should have been provided by MCPS central admin. School level budgets are not required to be shared with the public, so it was very difficult to figure out what the principal did and did not have $$ for (in a transparent way). If Principals want PTA $, I think they should be required to share their school-level budgets. I think this is even more important for Title-1 and focus schools who may be asking for help from "wealthier" ptas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

I am not the one claimed to pay "triple". That was obviously complete and utter BS. But if you can find two COMPARABLE houses to support that claim go ahead. I'm waiting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

I am not the one claimed to pay "triple". That was obviously complete and utter BS. But if you can find two COMPARABLE houses to support that claim go ahead. I'm waiting.

Don't make a bogus comparison and ask another person to correct your shoddy work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

These houses aren’t comparable in any way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

Don’t be silly, you can’t take two random houses to compare. Bethesda and the DCC are both huge and house prices of course vary depending on the area.

I am not the one claimed to pay "triple". That was obviously complete and utter BS. But if you can find two COMPARABLE houses to support that claim go ahead. I'm waiting.

Don't make a bogus comparison and ask another person to correct your shoddy work.

The only bogus comparison is the claim that the PP paid triple in Bethesda what they would have paid in the DCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Make no mistake, MCPS talks a big game about equity but they cave a lot to the squeakiest wheels which are wealthy white parents.

This is hysterical [NOT], as my children are at a W, and we get ignored by MCPS and the BOE. They cave to everything for TP/SS. If we want something done, we have to fund it ourselves, which are fortunate to be able to do. But it has nothing to do with MCPS caving to us, and everything to do with parents spending money on things that should have been provided.

Please describe the things that MCPS should have provided, that the parents provided instead.

I'd like to see the response to this as well. I was PTA president at a non-W/ non-Title I school and there were quite a few things that the county was supposed to provide, and would have provided, had the principal been willing to push hard enough. But MCPS makes it so hard to get certain materials and services that it's easier to just have the PTA/parents fund it so they can get it done quicker and circumvent the system. I'm not saying this is always the case but I saw it happen over and over again at my kids' school. We had a good fundraising program in place so the money wasn't an issue but it's hard to convince the school administration to fight with the central office when the PTA is willing/able to be an ATM.

Right there with you. The PTA was constantly asked to provide for things at my kids' focus school that should have been provided by MCPS central admin. School level budgets are not required to be shared with the public, so it was very difficult to figure out what the principal did and did not have $$ for (in a transparent way). If Principals want PTA $, I think they should be required to share their school-level budgets. I think this is even more important for Title-1 and focus schools who may be asking for help from "wealthier" ptas.

The budget for extras is generally the same. The difference is titl one and focus schools get more staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a $1.87 million house in Bethesda
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Bethesda/8003-Summer-Mill-Ct-20817/home/10699027

Here is a $643k house in the DCC
https://www.redfin.com/MD/Silver-Spring/2804-Dennis-Ave-20902/home/10982541

Sure you could say the Bethesda owner paid "triple" but that's like saying a Tesla owner paid "triple" that of the Honda owner. It doesn't mean the Tesla has priority over the roads.

These houses aren’t comparable in any way.

That's the point!