DC had largest percentage drop in population in nation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^DC TAG is paid by Federal taxpayers. And probably most of those freebies you received were distributed Federal grants from the Obama administration.

Seriously? We pay more to the federal government than I think 48 states. So what are you saying again? The feds give us nothing. That ended years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

Very serious. You clearly know nothing about DC.

DP. I won't profess to be a DC expert, but I assume the DC Board of Elections knows something about DC. And according to their latest report, 76% of DC registered voters registered as democratic.

That makes DC the *least* conservative part of the US.

However, I agree that DC democrats, in general, are not the militant Marxists that other parts of the country, particularly in the West, regrettably have to deal with. DC area democrats are pragmatic and don't do drastic things. They incrementally inch their way toward their goal to see how things shake out. So refreshing.

Just because a jurisdiction is democratic doesn't mean it's liberal. You have to remember that black people make up the most conservative members of the democratic party. While we are no longer the majority in DC. we are in the high 40s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

Very serious. You clearly know nothing about DC.

DP. I won't profess to be a DC expert, but I assume the DC Board of Elections knows something about DC. And according to their latest report, 76% of DC registered voters registered as democratic.

That makes DC the *least* conservative part of the US.

However, I agree that DC democrats, in general, are not the militant Marxists that other parts of the country, particularly in the West, regrettably have to deal with. DC area democrats are pragmatic and don't do drastic things. They incrementally inch their way toward their goal to see how things shake out. So refreshing.

Just because a jurisdiction is democratic doesn't mean it's liberal. You have to remember that black people make up the most conservative members of the democratic party. While we are no longer the majority in DC. we are in the high 40s.

At this point, DC residents should consider voting R or moving.

There is a massive crime wave
Schools closed For ages and attempts to close again
Homeless population growing
Businesses closing left and right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^DC TAG is paid by Federal taxpayers. And probably most of those freebies you received were distributed Federal grants from the Obama administration.

Seriously? We pay more to the federal government than I think 48 states. So what are you saying again? The feds give us nothing. That ended years ago.

Bless you that you think DC residents pay more in taxes than you receive in Federal benefits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^DC TAG is paid by Federal taxpayers. And probably most of those freebies you received were distributed Federal grants from the Obama administration.

Irrelevant and wrong.

DC TAG may be paid for with federal dollars, but you can't get it unless you live in DC and pay DC taxes, so it doesn't matter at all where the funding is coming from. It's a tax beenfit you get from paying DC taxes, period.

Riversmart is a DC program, the EV excise tax exemption is a DC program, the EV charger credit was an additional DC program on top of the federal credit, (so I only ended up paying 25% of the total cost) and any federal dollars that may or may not be funding those DC programs are again irrelevant because it's still a tax benefit you can only get by living in DC and paying DC taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're forgetting that DC is a very young place. I know A LOT of young people who left DC to move back in with their parents during the pandemic. There was no reason for them to be there paying high rents when their jobs were virtual and everything was shut down. Some that I know of have come back.

Many, if not most, are never coming back.

As a young person, why would you choose DC where the public schools are abysmal and the entrenched local government dysfunctional?

Because people in their 20s generally don't care about that? Not the ones in DC with graduate degrees who aren't planning on getting married and having kids for quite a while. I know a lot who have already come back.

Sorry buddy, but your personal anecdotes don’t trump the actual data. Your friend who have jobs and pay taxes are the easiest to track and 23,000 of them left the city. Whatever they may or may not care about, that cohort of people are gone.

In the last decade DC gained a net 88,000 people and in one year alone lost a net 20,000. You’re going to need a lot more friend anecdotes to make a significant dent in that.

I live in Richmond, and it feels like all 20k+ moved here. SO many D.C. transplants on my neighborhood!!! Please stop the D.C./NoVa exodus to my area. Richmond is left, but not looney left, and there is a good mix politically. Stay away

DC is hardly looney left. DC is actually pretty conservative. We are not Seattle.

Bwahahaha - that’s hilarious!

Oh wait - you were being serious?!?!

Very serious. You clearly know nothing about DC.

DP. I won't profess to be a DC expert, but I assume the DC Board of Elections knows something about DC. And according to their latest report, 76% of DC registered voters registered as democratic.

That makes DC the *least* conservative part of the US.

However, I agree that DC democrats, in general, are not the militant Marxists that other parts of the country, particularly in the West, regrettably have to deal with. DC area democrats are pragmatic and don't do drastic things. They incrementally inch their way toward their goal to see how things shake out. So refreshing.

Just because a jurisdiction is democratic doesn't mean it's liberal. You have to remember that black people make up the most conservative members of the democratic party. While we are no longer the majority in DC. we are in the high 40s.

At this point, DC residents should consider voting R or moving.

There is a massive crime wave
Schools closed For ages and attempts to close again
Homeless population growing
Businesses closing left and right.

Sure everything you say is bad about DC is found in Va or Md and all the red states. Virginia has a ton of homeless, car jackings and gang violence. It just depends on where you live.

[Anonymous]

Our family left. The extreme covid lunacy, school closures, and high taxes combined were just too much for us. Smartest thing we've ever done because it's easy to forget that most of the rest of he country is not so stressed and anxiety ridden. There is a real culture of anxiety in dc that I'm happy to be rid of.

[Anonymous]

Ugh. Since many of you are taking great joy in sharing your worst predictions for our capital city, let me say that most of the suburbs around the DMV area are simply horrible and I would much rather stay put. For me, the DMV suburbs are dull, congested, giving me an "anywhere USA" feeling. Overweight, unhealthy people everywhere. In all honestly, I rather live in beautiful DC with access to parks, nice architecture, culture, restaurants (yes, those still exist in DC) and most importantly, sidewalks and walking neighborhoods. Schools in certain areas of DC are as good (if not better) than many in nearby counties not to mention free PK-3 for many. As others have said, I expect some of the current issues such as homelessness, pandemic politics etc to be tackled within the next few years. In the end, cities are living organisms that evolve over time and I'm glad to be part of DC. Washington DC is one of the most beautiful cities in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. Since many of you are taking great joy in sharing your worst predictions for our capital city, let me say that most of the suburbs around the DMV area are simply horrible and I would much rather stay put. For me, the DMV suburbs are dull, congested, giving me an "anywhere USA" feeling. Overweight, unhealthy people everywhere. In all honestly, I rather live in beautiful DC with access to parks, nice architecture, culture, restaurants (yes, those still exist in DC) and most importantly, sidewalks and walking neighborhoods. Schools in certain areas of DC are as good (if not better) than many in nearby counties not to mention free PK-3 for many. As others have said, I expect some of the current issues such as homelessness, pandemic politics etc to be tackled within the next few years. In the end, cities are living organisms that evolve over time and I'm glad to be part of DC. Washington DC is one of the most beautiful cities in the country.

A couple issues with your comment... but one big one regarding the suburbs: "overweight, unhealthy people everywhere." I have no idea where that comes from, perhaps you've never actually been there and only read some opinion piece that talks about how people in the suburbs don't move. The DC suburbs are some of the healthiest communities in the entire country actually.

For example Fairfax vs DC:

Obesity rate:

Fairfax: 21%
DC: 24%

Physical inactivity rate:

Fairfax: 15%
DC: 17%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Statistical agency employee here again. I did a little more digging to see what other pieces of information we could get to understand what's actually going on. It seems like a number of people on here are more interested in rehashing their pet complaints than in understanding what's happening, but I'll share for anyone who's interested. If you think my post is too long and just want to complain, save your keystrokes; I don't care.

The Census Bureau also produces something called the CPS Housing Vacancy Supplement (HVS), which reports vacancy rates for owner-occupied and rental housing units for each quarter and for each state and metro. These are pretty noisy estimates, because the CPS only samples something like 72k households a month nationwide, which means each quarterly estimate for DC is based on only ~450 observations split between rentals and owned properties. The vacancy rate is also only an indirect measure of population change, since households can grow or shrink without becoming vacant, and since construction of new units changes the denominator over time. But, this survey provides much more timely data on what happened with population movements. It doesn't have the same issues of laggy data sources or of problematic proportionality assumptions as the intercensal population estimates (see my prior post). It does still have some caveats re: surveys conducted in a pandemic, similar to the concerns about representativeness in the decennial Census that forms the baseline for the intercensal population estimates.

What you can see for DC is that the DC vacancy rate for owner-occupied properties (houses and condos not intended for rental) is quite low and hasn't really changed much from 2018 to Q3 of 2021 (no Q4 data yet). There numbers bounce around a bit quarter to quarter, but if you average over the quarters of the year you get an average between 1.2% and 1.4% for each of the last four years. This is notably well below what the vacancy rates were back before 2015 and especially back before 2010 (often over 3%). So if homeowners with kids are moving to the suburbs, it's clear that new homeowners have continued to replace them.

Looking at rental vacancy rates is another story. Rental vacancy rate estimates are much noisier than homeowner vacancy rates (probably because renters and their landlords are harder to get survey responses from). But, the estimates for 2018 and 2019 suggest a baseline of between 6 and 8 percent rental vacancy, which is on the low end for DC by historical standards going back to 2005. The first two quarters of 2020 followed this same pattern (7.4% and 6.8%), but there was a big increase in rental vacancy starting in Q3 2020. It went to 8.7% and then 9.9% in 2020, and then to 10.5% and 11.0% in the first two quarters of 2021, before falling back considerably to 9.9% in Q3 2021. These are mostly within the margin of error of one another (which again, is very big because of the small sample), but taking them at face value suggests a big jump up that has started to retreat but still has quite a ways to fall to get back to where it was before the pandemic.

It's also worth mentioning that these trends don't show up if you look at DC metro level data or national data, only if you look at DC itself. This suggests that city renters left the city specifically, but renters didn't leave rentals more generally. However, since DC is the only city-state we have, it's really hard to know how DC compares to other cities in that regard. It would probably be possible for someone to recreate these statistics using the public CPS microdata for a few of the larger cities in the US, but it would be a project.

Overall, these data say a few things to me. First, as mentioned by myself and others, it looks like the vast majority of the movement has been among renters. The low vacancy rates and strong price appreciation for owned properties in DC doesn't provide any evidence to suggest a decline in demand for this type of living. Second, the big jump in 2020 Q3 and the big decline in 2021 Q3 suggest to me that a good chunk of this is in the form of lack of the usual young transplant pipeline. In other words, recent college grads moved home instead of moving here in summer 2020; in summer 2021 that was perhaps a little less true but still an issue. Going forward, we might expect any big shifts in population and vacancy to coincide with summer turnover and incoming new residents. Third, the issues I raised with lag in the intercensal population projections may not be as bad as I thought. Barring major sampling issues in 2020, it seems pretty clear that the peak of rental vacancy, and presumably of peak population loss, was in early 2021. Fourth, we still only have one quarter of data to evaluate the recovery, but it does seem to be substantially underway.

If you're actually interested in this topic, I'd suggest keeping an eye on the next few quarterly releases of these HVS data. By this time next year, I imagine that we will have a pretty good sense of how durable the rise in rental vacancies is, and we'll have much more price data as well. Q3 2022 will be a particularly interesting data point to see. I would still wait a couple of years before really leaning on the intercensal population estimates, given the issues that I've highlighted before.

Sources:
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/rates.html
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/methodology/index.html

This is a wonderful analysis. Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. Since many of you are taking great joy in sharing your worst predictions for our capital city, let me say that most of the suburbs around the DMV area are simply horrible and I would much rather stay put. For me, the DMV suburbs are dull, congested, giving me an "anywhere USA" feeling. Overweight, unhealthy people everywhere. In all honestly, I rather live in beautiful DC with access to parks, nice architecture, culture, restaurants (yes, those still exist in DC) and most importantly, sidewalks and walking neighborhoods. Schools in certain areas of DC are as good (if not better) than many in nearby counties not to mention free PK-3 for many. As others have said, I expect some of the current issues such as homelessness, pandemic politics etc to be tackled within the next few years. In the end, cities are living organisms that evolve over time and I'm glad to be part of DC. Washington DC is one of the most beautiful cities in the country.

The development crowd would like to do away with a lot of what you enjoy - since you are staying put you should join efforts to stop their/the Mayor's drnsification efforts

[Anonymous]

DC’s population boom ended more than half a decade ago. Although this decline is very misleading, DC is no longer the destination it was when the millennial bulge was young. It will be fine though.

[Anonymous]

It’s those darn republicans!

It’s all their fault; I can just feel it!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugh. Since many of you are taking great joy in sharing your worst predictions for our capital city, let me say that most of the suburbs around the DMV area are simply horrible and I would much rather stay put. For me, the DMV suburbs are dull, congested, giving me an "anywhere USA" feeling. Overweight, unhealthy people everywhere. In all honestly, I rather live in beautiful DC with access to parks, nice architecture, culture, restaurants (yes, those still exist in DC) and most importantly, sidewalks and walking neighborhoods. Schools in certain areas of DC are as good (if not better) than many in nearby counties not to mention free PK-3 for many. As others have said, I expect some of the current issues such as homelessness, pandemic politics etc to be tackled within the next few years. In the end, cities are living organisms that evolve over time and I'm glad to be part of DC. Washington DC is one of the most beautiful cities in the country.

LOL, surely you are joking. See California for where the homeless situation and pandemic policies are headed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Statistical agency employee here again. I did a little more digging to see what other pieces of information we could get to understand what's actually going on. It seems like a number of people on here are more interested in rehashing their pet complaints than in understanding what's happening, but I'll share for anyone who's interested. If you think my post is too long and just want to complain, save your keystrokes; I don't care.

The Census Bureau also produces something called the CPS Housing Vacancy Supplement (HVS), which reports vacancy rates for owner-occupied and rental housing units for each quarter and for each state and metro. These are pretty noisy estimates, because the CPS only samples something like 72k households a month nationwide, which means each quarterly estimate for DC is based on only ~450 observations split between rentals and owned properties. The vacancy rate is also only an indirect measure of population change, since households can grow or shrink without becoming vacant, and since construction of new units changes the denominator over time. But, this survey provides much more timely data on what happened with population movements. It doesn't have the same issues of laggy data sources or of problematic proportionality assumptions as the intercensal population estimates (see my prior post). It does still have some caveats re: surveys conducted in a pandemic, similar to the concerns about representativeness in the decennial Census that forms the baseline for the intercensal population estimates.

What you can see for DC is that the DC vacancy rate for owner-occupied properties (houses and condos not intended for rental) is quite low and hasn't really changed much from 2018 to Q3 of 2021 (no Q4 data yet). There numbers bounce around a bit quarter to quarter, but if you average over the quarters of the year you get an average between 1.2% and 1.4% for each of the last four years. This is notably well below what the vacancy rates were back before 2015 and especially back before 2010 (often over 3%). So if homeowners with kids are moving to the suburbs, it's clear that new homeowners have continued to replace them.

Looking at rental vacancy rates is another story. Rental vacancy rate estimates are much noisier than homeowner vacancy rates (probably because renters and their landlords are harder to get survey responses from). But, the estimates for 2018 and 2019 suggest a baseline of between 6 and 8 percent rental vacancy, which is on the low end for DC by historical standards going back to 2005. The first two quarters of 2020 followed this same pattern (7.4% and 6.8%), but there was a big increase in rental vacancy starting in Q3 2020. It went to 8.7% and then 9.9% in 2020, and then to 10.5% and 11.0% in the first two quarters of 2021, before falling back considerably to 9.9% in Q3 2021. These are mostly within the margin of error of one another (which again, is very big because of the small sample), but taking them at face value suggests a big jump up that has started to retreat but still has quite a ways to fall to get back to where it was before the pandemic.

It's also worth mentioning that these trends don't show up if you look at DC metro level data or national data, only if you look at DC itself. This suggests that city renters left the city specifically, but renters didn't leave rentals more generally. However, since DC is the only city-state we have, it's really hard to know how DC compares to other cities in that regard. It would probably be possible for someone to recreate these statistics using the public CPS microdata for a few of the larger cities in the US, but it would be a project.

Overall, these data say a few things to me. First, as mentioned by myself and others, it looks like the vast majority of the movement has been among renters. The low vacancy rates and strong price appreciation for owned properties in DC doesn't provide any evidence to suggest a decline in demand for this type of living. Second, the big jump in 2020 Q3 and the big decline in 2021 Q3 suggest to me that a good chunk of this is in the form of lack of the usual young transplant pipeline. In other words, recent college grads moved home instead of moving here in summer 2020; in summer 2021 that was perhaps a little less true but still an issue. Going forward, we might expect any big shifts in population and vacancy to coincide with summer turnover and incoming new residents. Third, the issues I raised with lag in the intercensal population projections may not be as bad as I thought. Barring major sampling issues in 2020, it seems pretty clear that the peak of rental vacancy, and presumably of peak population loss, was in early 2021. Fourth, we still only have one quarter of data to evaluate the recovery, but it does seem to be substantially underway.

If you're actually interested in this topic, I'd suggest keeping an eye on the next few quarterly releases of these HVS data. By this time next year, I imagine that we will have a pretty good sense of how durable the rise in rental vacancies is, and we'll have much more price data as well. Q3 2022 will be a particularly interesting data point to see. I would still wait a couple of years before really leaning on the intercensal population estimates, given the issues that I've highlighted before.

Sources:
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/rates.html
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/methodology/index.html

This is a wonderful analysis. Thank you!

Just thought I should follow up on this. The new HVS for the fourth quarter of 2021 came out. DC saw another large decline in its rental vacancy rate, down to 7.6% which is basically the average fourth quarter vacancy rate for 2005-2019.

So, it looks likely that whatever population decline occurred in the District in 2020 and early 2021 has mostly reversed itself by now. Caveats as above that these are still noisy statistics based on fairly small samples, etc.