Is this “boys will be boys” or an offense?

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Anonymous wrote:Not all asshole behavior is a crime.

This boyfriend sounds like a tool but come on, saying “I’ll break up with you if you don’t have sex with me” is not rape. If she had been a little older and wiser she probably would have seen this for the red flag that it is. He was selfish. He sounds like a crappy boyfriend and not a great person. That doesn’t make him a rapist though.

I hope your niece gets help and I hope she stays away from the jerk guys in the future.


saying he'll break up with her can be considered a threat


That doesn’t make it a crime if a reasonable person would not give in to the threat. Threatening to break up with her is not the same as threatening to kill or maim her. You know that, right?

This is an unfortunate situation but the girl has a role here. She ultimately agreed to have sex whether she really wanted to or not. That agreement = consent. She needs help figuring out why she kept putting herself in this situation of repeatedly going to his house for lunch when she knew what was happening and to agreeing to have sex when she really didn’t want to. Not saying the boy’s behavior is okay here either, but it’s not criminal.


It actually is criminal and she is suffering. She was 14 and below the age of legal consent in every single US state. He was 4 grades higher at school and close to legal adulthood.


He was in college? That’s 4 grades higher. It won’t be prosecuted.



It won’t be prosecuted if the family chooses not to press charges but if they do then they have a strong case.

She was below the age of consent in every single US state. He was at age of consent in most US states.

Demonstrable harm to victim since repeated rapes, and they can be legally
Treated as rapes since she was below age of consent.

It comes down to what is in the best interests of the victim.
If she and her family want to fight, they have a strong case.


Spoken like someone who has never been the victim of a crime. Prosecuting attorneys never give a damn about "the best interests of the victim." Take a look at the news at the MANY crimes (of all nature) that occur and the perp is allowed to walk free.
No prosecuting attorney is going to prosecute a teenager because his ex girfriend is sad that he broke up with her. If anything, her parents might be brought up on charges of child neglect because her parents aren't helping her enough with the self harm she is inflicting.


I actually have been a victim and a victim while a minor at that. So many women have had such experiences. I am working hard to make sure my DD does not have this experience and I raised our son to respect women.

I think you are wrong in your assessment. The young man is not covered by Romeo and Juliette laws in many states.

He was close to adulthood and driving a 14 year old freshman off school campus regularly without parental knowledge or permission. He placed pressure on her to engage in sex after she repeatedly said no. He was a popular good student so she caved to his pressure.

I would seriously consider adding kidnapping to the charges. Many Authorities will take a senior driving a minor student off campus without parental knowledge or permission in order to have carnal knowledge with her seriously.

This young man represents a mundane face of evil.

Some of us heal better if we fight. Some better by quietly licking their wounds.

Right now this poor girl who was well below the legal age of conserving is self harming and abusing substances. She may find he


Sounds like you need help even more than OP's niece.


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Kidnapping charges? Popular good student? I can’t even!



No way in hell it’s kidnapping nor rape. You can’t make up laws as you go on. In order to commit kidnapping the “victim” has to be taken without her consent by someone whose intent is criminal. The girl wanted to get laid as much as the boy. Drop it.

Yes definitely way it is rape. Victim was well below age of legal consent in all states.
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Anonymous wrote:Not all asshole behavior is a crime.

This boyfriend sounds like a tool but come on, saying “I’ll break up with you if you don’t have sex with me” is not rape. If she had been a little older and wiser she probably would have seen this for the red flag that it is. He was selfish. He sounds like a crappy boyfriend and not a great person. That doesn’t make him a rapist though.

I hope your niece gets help and I hope she stays away from the jerk guys in the future.


saying he'll break up with her can be considered a threat


That doesn’t make it a crime if a reasonable person would not give in to the threat. Threatening to break up with her is not the same as threatening to kill or maim her. You know that, right?

This is an unfortunate situation but the girl has a role here. She ultimately agreed to have sex whether she really wanted to or not. That agreement = consent. She needs help figuring out why she kept putting herself in this situation of repeatedly going to his house for lunch when she knew what was happening and to agreeing to have sex when she really didn’t want to. Not saying the boy’s behavior is okay here either, but it’s not criminal.


It actually is criminal and she is suffering. She was 14 and below the age of legal consent in every single US state. He was 4 grades higher at school and close to legal adulthood.


He was in college? That’s 4 grades higher. It won’t be prosecuted.



It won’t be prosecuted if the family chooses not to press charges but if they do then they have a strong case.

She was below the age of consent in every single US state. He was at age of consent in most US states.

Demonstrable harm to victim since repeated rapes, and they can be legally
Treated as rapes since she was below age of consent.

It comes down to what is in the best interests of the victim.
If she and her family want to fight, they have a strong case.


Spoken like someone who has never been the victim of a crime. Prosecuting attorneys never give a damn about "the best interests of the victim." Take a look at the news at the MANY crimes (of all nature) that occur and the perp is allowed to walk free.
No prosecuting attorney is going to prosecute a teenager because his ex girfriend is sad that he broke up with her. If anything, her parents might be brought up on charges of child neglect because her parents aren't helping her enough with the self harm she is inflicting.


I actually have been a victim and a victim while a minor at that. So many women have had such experiences. I am working hard to make sure my DD does not have this experience and I raised our son to respect women.

I think you are wrong in your assessment. The young man is not covered by Romeo and Juliette laws in many states.

He was close to adulthood and driving a 14 year old freshman off school campus regularly without parental knowledge or permission. He placed pressure on her to engage in sex after she repeatedly said no. He was a popular good student so she caved to his pressure.

I would seriously consider adding kidnapping to the charges. Many Authorities will take a senior driving a minor student off campus without parental knowledge or permission in order to have carnal knowledge with her seriously.

This young man represents a mundane face of evil.

Some of us heal better if we fight. Some better by quietly licking their wounds.

Right now this poor girl who was well below the legal age of conserving is self harming and abusing substances. She may find he


Sounds like you need help even more than OP's niece.


+1

Kidnapping charges? Popular good student? I can’t even!



No way in hell it’s kidnapping nor rape. You can’t make up laws as you go on. In order to commit kidnapping the “victim” has to be taken without her consent by someone whose intent is criminal. The girl wanted to get laid as much as the boy. Drop it.


You are talking like a creepy misogynistic pedophile:
1. She was 14, a child and well below age of legal consent in all US states
2. She clearly did not want to get laid, and said so. She did not have the maturity and confidence to tell him to go pound sand instead of her.
3. Your position is indefensible both legally and morally.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-06-07/education-department-begins-sweeping-rewrite-of-title-ix-sexual-misconduct-rules
Education Department Begins Sweeping Rewrite of Title IX Sexual Misconduct Rules
June 7, 2021

The federal regulations protecting students against sex discrimination in learning environments stand to be expanded in scope under the Biden administration.


Much needed.

What a disaster the Betsy de Vos era was for protecting safety of women and girls in educational settings …
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not all asshole behavior is a crime.

This boyfriend sounds like a tool but come on, saying “I’ll break up with you if you don’t have sex with me” is not rape. If she had been a little older and wiser she probably would have seen this for the red flag that it is. He was selfish. He sounds like a crappy boyfriend and not a great person. That doesn’t make him a rapist though.

I hope your niece gets help and I hope she stays away from the jerk guys in the future.


saying he'll break up with her can be considered a threat


That doesn’t make it a crime if a reasonable person would not give in to the threat. Threatening to break up with her is not the same as threatening to kill or maim her. You know that, right?

This is an unfortunate situation but the girl has a role here. She ultimately agreed to have sex whether she really wanted to or not. That agreement = consent. She needs help figuring out why she kept putting herself in this situation of repeatedly going to his house for lunch when she knew what was happening and to agreeing to have sex when she really didn’t want to. Not saying the boy’s behavior is okay here either, but it’s not criminal.


It actually is criminal and she is suffering. She was 14 and below the age of legal consent in every single US state. He was 4 grades higher at school and close to legal adulthood.


He was in college? That’s 4 grades higher. It won’t be prosecuted.



It won’t be prosecuted if the family chooses not to press charges but if they do then they have a strong case.

She was below the age of consent in every single US state. He was at age of consent in most US states.

Demonstrable harm to victim since repeated rapes, and they can be legally
Treated as rapes since she was below age of consent.

It comes down to what is in the best interests of the victim.
If she and her family want to fight, they have a strong case.


Spoken like someone who has never been the victim of a crime. Prosecuting attorneys never give a damn about "the best interests of the victim." Take a look at the news at the MANY crimes (of all nature) that occur and the perp is allowed to walk free.
No prosecuting attorney is going to prosecute a teenager because his ex girfriend is sad that he broke up with her. If anything, her parents might be brought up on charges of child neglect because her parents aren't helping her enough with the self harm she is inflicting.


I actually have been a victim and a victim while a minor at that. So many women have had such experiences. I am working hard to make sure my DD does not have this experience and I raised our son to respect women.

I think you are wrong in your assessment. The young man is not covered by Romeo and Juliette laws in many states.

He was close to adulthood and driving a 14 year old freshman off school campus regularly without parental knowledge or permission. He placed pressure on her to engage in sex after she repeatedly said no. He was a popular good student so she caved to his pressure.

I would seriously consider adding kidnapping to the charges. Many Authorities will take a senior driving a minor student off campus without parental knowledge or permission in order to have carnal knowledge with her seriously.

This young man represents a mundane face of evil.

Some of us heal better if we fight. Some better by quietly licking their wounds.

Right now this poor girl who was well below the legal age of conserving is self harming and abusing substances. She may find he


Sounds like you need help even more than OP's niece.


+1

Kidnapping charges? Popular good student? I can’t even!



No way in hell it’s kidnapping nor rape. You can’t make up laws as you go on. In order to commit kidnapping the “victim” has to be taken without her consent by someone whose intent is criminal. The girl wanted to get laid as much as the boy. Drop it.


Reading comprehension, dummy!
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Anonymous wrote:My niece, 14-year-old freshman, dated a 17-year-old senior at her high school. She liked him because he was popular and smart. He found out that she liked him and asked her out. With the exception of one date where they saw a movie, their relationship consisted of him driving her to his house during lunch period and things progressed sexually. She did not want to have sex, told him she didn’t want it, but he pressured her and coerced her. Told her he would break up with her if she didn’t. She reluctantly went through with it but hated it. She eventually started cutting herself and other self-harm. After he graduated, he called her to say he was breaking up with her because he was going to college. She became depressed and had substance abuse issues. She is in therapy. Is what happened to her just poor judgment or self esteem on her part, or did the guy commit some kind of actionable offense against her?



Sounds like this is an issue for her parents. Not for her aunt to air on DCUM.
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