Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift engaged!

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So glad some people are finally standing up for the Kennedy men! They deserve better! They have a wonderfully honorable history with women.

I just googled and I’m relieved that Connor has gone on to bang many Brazilian pop stars and models since Taylor. Hopefully he’s OK. Phew!

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Anonymous wrote:So glad some people are finally standing up for the Kennedy men! They deserve better! They have a wonderfully honorable history with women.

I just googled and I’m relieved that Connor has gone on to bang many Brazilian pop stars and models since Taylor. Hopefully he’s OK. Phew!

With a murdering uncle who got away with it, we can't let this cradle robber go without batting an eye! Not to mention the rapists and other suspicious deaths surrounding this family. Thank God that PP is looking out for the men of this historic family who deserve a break.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

Jerry Seinfeld is viral every other week for being a predatory creep with a high school girlfriend he “met in the park.”

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And let us not forget that Taylor bought a $5M house to be near the Kennedys. lol

Something is not right with that girl.

It proves what a fake charade this Kelce thing is. She’s repelled every pretty boy she’s ever really wanted, so now at her advanced age she has to settle for this ugly thirsty buffoon. Slumming it. Their wedding will be “viral” and forced down everyone’s throats for a day and then nobody will care. There’s nothing romantic or aspirational about being obnoxious, thirsty for attention middle aged people getting married. If she could have lured Harry Styles down the aisle, sure, aspiration. Travis Kelce? LMAO. No just no.

Funny you mention Harry Styles when people are just as appalled that he’s engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Seems like no matter who certain celebrities partner up with, many fans are opposed for various reasons.

Maybe Taylor has realized she pairs better with someone who is just as driven and successful as she is but in a totally different field. Her relationships with people within her own industry haven’t fared well.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad some people are finally standing up for the Kennedy men! They deserve better! They have a wonderfully honorable history with women.

I just googled and I’m relieved that Connor has gone on to bang many Brazilian pop stars and models since Taylor. Hopefully he’s OK. Phew!

With a murdering uncle who got away with it, we can't let this cradle robber go without batting an eye! Not to mention the rapists and other suspicious deaths surrounding this family. Thank God that PP is looking out for the men of this historic family who deserve a break.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Kennedy family can be wrong AND Taylor was wrong to date a high school kid as an adult.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad some people are finally standing up for the Kennedy men! They deserve better! They have a wonderfully honorable history with women.

I just googled and I’m relieved that Connor has gone on to bang many Brazilian pop stars and models since Taylor. Hopefully he’s OK. Phew!

With a murdering uncle who got away with it, we can't let this cradle robber go without batting an eye! Not to mention the rapists and other suspicious deaths surrounding this family. Thank God that PP is looking out for the men of this historic family who deserve a break.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Kennedy family can be wrong AND Taylor was wrong to date a high school kid as an adult.

Sorry, where is this rule? He turned 18 during this summer fling. Pretty sure he's doing just fine and doesn't need you to go bat for him.

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Anonymous wrote:So glad some people are finally standing up for the Kennedy men! They deserve better! They have a wonderfully honorable history with women.

I just googled and I’m relieved that Connor has gone on to bang many Brazilian pop stars and models since Taylor. Hopefully he’s OK. Phew!

With a murdering uncle who got away with it, we can't let this cradle robber go without batting an eye! Not to mention the rapists and other suspicious deaths surrounding this family. Thank God that PP is looking out for the men of this historic family who deserve a break.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. The Kennedy family can be wrong AND Taylor was wrong to date a high school kid as an adult.

If only people had known about this before! I’m sure she wouldn’t have had a tour that grossed over $1 billion and sold like 100 million albums since then.

Darn it!

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

Can you link to your posts about the outrage you felt when John Mayer dated Taylor Swift? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

Can you link to your posts about the outrage you felt when John Mayer dated Taylor Swift? Thanks.

+1. And Jake G. who is 10 years older than her.

This is fake outrage. No one actually cares about this.

[Anonymous]

Oh wow, I didn't realize John Mayer was 32 when she was 19.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

Can you link to your posts about the outrage you felt when John Mayer dated Taylor Swift? Thanks.

+1. And Jake G. who is 10 years older than her.

This is fake outrage. No one actually cares about this.

No one is outraged. Stating you think it is weird for an adult to date a high schooler and that it is objectively a bad idea isn’t “outrage”. The relationship, the way she bought a house nearby his family home doesn’t seem healthy. John M. Dating her also was objectively a bad idea. In both instances, there seems to be a power imbalance. That doesn’t make either own okay.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

Jerry Seinfeld is viral every other week for being a predatory creep with a high school girlfriend he “met in the park.”

+1

And let us not forget that Taylor bought a $5M house to be near the Kennedys. lol

Something is not right with that girl.

It proves what a fake charade this Kelce thing is. She’s repelled every pretty boy she’s ever really wanted, so now at her advanced age she has to settle for this ugly thirsty buffoon. Slumming it. Their wedding will be “viral” and forced down everyone’s throats for a day and then nobody will care. There’s nothing romantic or aspirational about being obnoxious, thirsty for attention middle aged people getting married. If she could have lured Harry Styles down the aisle, sure, aspiration. Travis Kelce? LMAO. No just no.

Funny you mention Harry Styles when people are just as appalled that he’s engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Seems like no matter who certain celebrities partner up with, many fans are opposed for various reasons.

Maybe Taylor has realized she pairs better with someone who is just as driven and successful as she is but in a totally different field. Her relationships with people within her own industry haven’t fared well.

Yes, Zoe is gross af. Just as Kelce is gross af. If they dumped their repulsive SOs and married each other, it's hot and 'breaks the internet.' For shame!

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

Can you link to your posts about the outrage you felt when John Mayer dated Taylor Swift? Thanks.

+1. And Jake G. who is 10 years older than her.

This is fake outrage. No one actually cares about this.

No one is outraged. Stating you think it is weird for an adult to date a high schooler and that it is objectively a bad idea isn’t “outrage”. The relationship, the way she bought a house nearby his family home doesn’t seem healthy. John M. Dating her also was objectively a bad idea. In both instances, there seems to be a power imbalance. That doesn’t make either own okay.

The human brain is not fully developed by the age of 22. John Mayer was 10 years older than that.

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Anonymous wrote:She is a total media creation. She's basically a theater girl. She can't dance, she doesn't actually write all of her own music, she can't play instruments. She is a boring lanky creepy weirdo who chased teen boys when she was like 25 years old. Her entire life is fake. I doubt she even realizes what's real and what's fake at this point.

Yeah. I was shocked and grossed out when I learned she was dating a 17 yo while in her 20s.

She was so thirsty to be a Kennedy.

He was 18 and she was 22. Big deal.

DP. It is a big deal. Fresh out high school versus college or university. Plus males are still developing their brains so he was probably more like a 16 year old or younger.

We don’t bat an eye if guys do this. Jerry Seinfeld anyone? Anthony Keidis? Steven Tyler? Every rockstar that has ever lived and most actors and most wealthy men?

Taylor was probably very inexperienced and innocent at 22. The Kennedy boy probably had many girls by 17.

I have a lot of problems with Taylor but this seems silly.

A lot of us absolutely "bat an eye" when men do this. I don't think 22/18 is as bad as what the men you list did but I am not particularly persuaded by the argument that we should give a woman a pass for doing exploitative things men have been doing forever.

It also think it's interesting you assume Taylor was "inexperienced and innocent" at 22 (when she'd been an international pop star for 8 years) but that a teenage Kennedy must have "had many girls" at 17. First of all, even if the teenager was very sexually experienced, does that make it okay? If a teenage girl at 17 had a lot of sexual experiences, and then dated a famous musician in his 20s, would you think "oh, makes sense, she's so experienced"? I wouldn't, it would trouble me.

And second, I think you imputing the quality of innocence to the woman because of stereotypes about women, and the quality of knowledge/control to the teenage boy because of stereotypes about men. All so you can ignore the truth which is that she was more powerful than he was in that relationship, and he was not yet a man.

DP. Understand what you’re saying but I think you’re making the Kennedy boy seem a bit doe eyed. When I was 23, a family friend I knew was absolutely enamored with me and tried to pursue me. He is four years younger than I am. I was dating someone else, but I remember thinking about the age gap and not being too concerned about it. I was more concerned that I was more mature than he was and would be looking for something more serious than I was about corrupting him.

Makes it sound like this Kennedy boy was 12! I was a total emotional idiot at 22. Not much more mature than I was at 18

Nope, not making anyone sound "doe eyed" because I don't think it's necessary. I care about the power dynamics only. A teenager with a private life is less powerful/influential than a 20-something who is VERY famous. That's it. The teenager might be savvy for his age or have had all kinds of girlfriends. At least in this case he was from a wealthy, prominent family so that likely balanced the power a bit, but Taylor would still have the edge.

If the genders were reversed I would absolutely side eye some 22 year old male pop star dating an 18 yr girl. Even if she was rich and experienced and even if his public schtick was that he was "innocent". It's a power imbalance.

Can you link to your posts about the outrage you felt when John Mayer dated Taylor Swift? Thanks.

+1. And Jake G. who is 10 years older than her.

This is fake outrage. No one actually cares about this.

No one is outraged. Stating you think it is weird for an adult to date a high schooler and that it is objectively a bad idea isn’t “outrage”. The relationship, the way she bought a house nearby his family home doesn’t seem healthy. John M. Dating her also was objectively a bad idea. In both instances, there seems to be a power imbalance. That doesn’t make either own okay.

The human brain is not fully developed by the age of 22. John Mayer was 10 years older than that.

Like I said, that is not okay. It doesn’t vindicate Taylor from dating a high schooler after being out of high school for years or buying a house near his family while they were dating. John Mayer dating Taylor was a power imbalance. So was Taylor dating the Kennedy kid (I think his mom died just before also?).

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False equivalence FTL.