Let's see if this is really about our nuclear program. This is probably about the failed Saudi Arabia nuclear power plant deal. Not bombs. Electricity. |
| It doesn’t matter if it’s about our nuclear program or info we obtained on others. |
What Im saying is that it probably isnt about ANYONE'S nuclear weapons program. |
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This is just wrong. The warrant cites 793, which doesn’t require transfer. Other sections do require transfer and they are not in the warrant. Baseless speculation like this plays right into the Trump strategy. When it comes out he didn’t transfer anything he’ll claim he’s vindicated. MSNBC should be ashamed. |
+1. The speculation that he sold classified, has documents on nuclear bombs, etc is going to go the way of the Steele dossier. That doesnt mean Trump didnt do anything wrong, but the truth is very likely to be less sensational than the current ragebait suggests. |
The idea that a bunch of bean counters get to usurp presidential powers is absurd. How do you stop said bean counters from simply not following through deliberately? |
They had full range through MAL in June. |
Said bean counters are staffers with clearance. They are there to make the Executive Branch function as a TEAM, and they provide guardrails. The President is not a monarch, and doesn't get to do things unilaterally just because he or she says so! |
We don't know that. They got to visit, and when they visited, docs were not secure, and there were apparently things that still needed clarification. The public does not have all the information, and will likely never have it if the information is so sensitive that it cannot be divulged. The surmise is that an informant tipped them off that some documents were very dangerous, AFTER the June visit, and that tip triggered the warrant and search. Prior to that, there was apparently less urgency, perhaps because the DOJ was not aware of the ultra-sensitive nature of some of the information kept at Mar-a-Lago. In a situation where the public cannot know the most dangerous details, it's obvious that Trump's dwindling base will cry foul, since they assume no published info mean no info exists. But the rest of the population has more trust in the institutions created for their defense and knows the DOJ would never act like this without good reason. |
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18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
(a)Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over, or otherwise obtains information concerning any vessel, aircraft, work of defense, navy yard, naval station, submarine base, fueling station, fort, battery, torpedo station, dockyard, canal, railroad, arsenal, camp, factory, mine, telegraph, telephone, wireless, or signal station, building, office, research laboratory or station or other place connected with the national defense owned or constructed, or in progress of construction by the United States or under the control of the United States, or of any of its officers, departments, or agencies, or within the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States, or any place in which any vessel, aircraft, arms, munitions, or other materials or instruments for use in time of war are being made, prepared, repaired, stored, or are the subject of research or development, under any contract or agreement with the United States, or any department or agency thereof, or with any person on behalf of the United States, or otherwise on behalf of the United States, or any prohibited place so designated by the President by proclamation in time of war or in case of national emergency in which anything for the use of the Army, Navy, or Air Force is being prepared or constructed or stored, information as to which prohibited place the President has determined would be prejudicial to the national defense; or (b)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like intent or reason to believe, copies, takes, makes, or obtains, or attempts to copy, take, make, or obtain, any sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, document, writing, or note of anything connected with the national defense; or (c)Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, receives or obtains or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain from any person, or from any source whatever, any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note, of anything connected with the national defense, knowing or having reason to believe, at the time he receives or obtains, or agrees or attempts to receive or obtain it, that it has been or will be obtained, taken, made, or disposed of by any person contrary to the provisions of this chapter; or (d)Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or (e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or (f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both. (g)If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy. (h) (1)Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law, any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, from any foreign government, or any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, as the result of such violation. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, and any commonwealth, territory, or possession of the United States. (2)The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1) of this subsection. (3)The provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)) shall apply to— (A)property subject to forfeiture under this subsection; (B)any seizure or disposition of such property; and (C)any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property, if not inconsistent with this subsection. (4)Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund in the Treasury all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 736; Sept. 23, 1950, ch. 1024, title I, § 18, 64 Stat. 1003; Pub. L. 99–399, title XIII, § 1306(a), Aug. 27, 1986, 100 Stat. 898; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 804(b)(1), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3440; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, § 607(b), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3511.) |
This is just inaccurate. Not only the president, but also many political appointees and some senior SESs have unilateral authority to declassify. There are boundaries around that authority and the use of it can be challenged. But no, presidents dont have to ask a GS-9 for review and approval. |
Your point is moot, because taking declassified documents is not always lawful, see the code above you, section (d). Documents DO NOT HAVE TO BE CLASSIFIED to be illegal to take, retain and use. Also, the President cannot simply declare something declassified for it to become so. If you use that line of argument, Biden could just as easily claim they are all reclassified, and get Trump in trouble. He won't do that, because that's not how documents are classified and declassified. Again, Presidents act according to law, rules and an understanding of the actions they take in the context of their office. Trump has never had that understanding, and his supporters think he has all the power to misuse as he thinks fit. That is false. |
| This is just the tip of the iceberg... |
Both things can be true. It can be true that his statement that he declared the documents declassified is correct, and that he is also not authorized to keep the documents at his residence. But neither point is moot because the severity of the violation partially hinges on the sensitivity of the information. |
Notably the statute doesn’t use the word classified. So all the nutters can now shut up about this silly declassification argument. |