ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Contracts are for MLSN academies, not MLSN P2P.

All MLSN p2p families sign a contract when they register.

We all sign forms for these leagues. MLSN Academies have the real contracts. See KF from Bethesda...to DCU...hours later to Loudon United.

Yes MLSN academy kids are soooooo special… do you feel better now?

What we have here is a parent of a boys ECNL player that somehow was "wronged" by MLSN. Kid was either cut from the team or coaches never picked him in tryouts. So now they post on DCUM constantly thinking that theyre winning some kind of war. Your not, you just sound desperate and weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Contracts are for MLSN academies, not MLSN P2P.

All MLSN p2p families sign a contract when they register.

We all sign forms for these leagues. MLSN Academies have the real contracts. See KF from Bethesda...to DCU...hours later to Loudon United.

Yes MLSN academy kids are soooooo special… do you feel better now?

What we have here is a parent of a boys ECNL player that somehow was "wronged" by MLSN. Kid was either cut from the team or coaches never picked him in tryouts. So now they post on DCUM constantly thinking that theyre winning some kind of war. Your not, you just sound desperate and weird.

lol I see your posts much more often, the lone defender of MLSN

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Contracts are for MLSN academies, not MLSN P2P.

All MLSN p2p families sign a contract when they register.

We all sign forms for these leagues. MLSN Academies have the real contracts. See KF from Bethesda...to DCU...hours later to Loudon United.

Yes MLSN academy kids are soooooo special… do you feel better now?

What we have here is a parent of a boys ECNL player that somehow was "wronged" by MLSN. Kid was either cut from the team or coaches never picked him in tryouts. So now they post on DCUM constantly thinking that theyre winning some kind of war. Your not, you just sound desperate and weird.

lol I see your posts much more often, the lone defender of MLSN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

Ranking app says different and the younger the team the more even GA and ECNL are.

The trend is in GAs favor

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

Unwanted associations simply means that clubs dont want players grouped by somthing artificial like grade in school. If a player has the physical ability to play professionally at 15 years old this is what they want to occur. They dont want that player being grouped with and called a freshman in HS. See how it works? Playing ability is completely separate from grade in school.

Dude…you’re telling on yourself. You have no idea how professional club academies work outside of the US.

You’re literally picking fights and disagreeing with ZERO knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

Unwanted associations simply means that clubs dont want players grouped by somthing artificial like grade in school. If a player has the physical ability to play professionally at 15 years old this is what they want to occur. They dont want that player being grouped with and called a freshman in HS. See how it works? Playing ability is completely separate from grade in school.

Dude…you’re telling on yourself. You have no idea how professional club academies work outside of the US.

You’re literally picking fights and disagreeing with ZERO knowledge.

You have no clue.

Keep embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“As of right now there does not look to be any changes from for the Trapped U15 player rule. The league is currently reviewing Competition Rules and will send out any highlighted changes before the season starts.”

Sent to my buddy who’s a director for ECNL club.

Only rules I’ve heard rumors about is US club is supposedly not going to allow players to be double rostered within its own league.

So you can play ECNL and RL for your same club but can’t play for separate clubs unless you’re a discovery player.

But no more GA or MLSN guest playing.

How exactly does ECNL plan to police this?

Also if this was enforced at the ECNL level they'd be inviting a lawsuit that would effect the entire league.

I've seen clubs try to do this with players but 9x out of 10 it’s just hot air because they know that they'll lose in court and likely lose a top player.

Why don’t you go ask PDA 2011 ECNL club why they had to forfeit their entire spring season.
We’re using too many non discovery players and got busted.
ECNL is bringing the hammer down on teams going forward.
They don’t want “their” players representing Ga or MLSN as guests.

This will last as long as it takes for some lawyer to file a case against ECNL. Clubs and Leagues dont own players. Unless youre MLSN + under contract.

It all comes down to leagues playing chicken with clubs and clubs playing chicken with parents. If they can scare you into following their unofficial rules they've won.

What case are you going to file? Youth players in ECNL aren't paid, so there is not obligation. They are a private entity and free to set their rules. You are right they don't own players, but they set their rules and if you don't like them or cant follow them, you are welcome to play elsewhere. No one is forcing you to play ECNL.

in MLSNext, the contracts are to establish rights/ownership under FIFA rules, so that a) player is tied to club as homegrown, and b) if the player ever becomes good enough, they have documentation for when they sell the player on to a foreign club for cash, or future reimbursement.

Well if ECNL is the main place, monopoly, on girls college recruiting, then antitrust can be an issue. Their rule could be seen as unlawfully exerting their monopoly power.

HAHAHAHAH - less than 4% of age 13+ US youth soccer players play ECNL or ECRL (source: ECNL podcast). Between this monopoly comment and "MLSN doesn't want to be 'associated' with SY", we have some real comedy on here today.

You’re an idiot.

I don’t agree re: anti trust and ECNL, but previous poster clearly said it was an about girls college soccer ex-placement. And PP was right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

Unwanted associations simply means that clubs dont want players grouped by somthing artificial like grade in school. If a player has the physical ability to play professionally at 15 years old this is what they want to occur. They dont want that player being grouped with and called a freshman in HS. See how it works? Playing ability is completely separate from grade in school.

Dude…you’re telling on yourself. You have no idea how professional club academies work outside of the US.

You’re literally picking fights and disagreeing with ZERO knowledge.

Yep this PP is way off the deep end. He has no clue, time to ignore this thread for a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

Ranking app says different and the younger the team the more even GA and ECNL are.

The trend is in GAs favor

Pick any age group and look at the top 10 or top 25 nationally ranked teams U13-19 it’s heavily ECNL.
Kids goto ECNL at U13 because that’s when ECNL starts can’t compare Ulittles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone ever explained in these 1170+ pages why MLSN academies would want to stay BY? Just to maintain status quo? I’ve never seen anyone connect the dots for how BY is creating better professional players. “International alignment” isn’t itself a good reason unless it can be connected to a better result for MLS (not youth national teams). Otherwise it’s just logically the same as mandating all clubs stop using “SC” in their name and start using “FC” because more foreign clubs use that.

Its because MLSN is owned by MLS.

MLS is a professional league and because of this SY has no meaning.

Right… a professional league where all of its kids are school aged…you aren’t dodging the question or anything

Yes, a youth league run by pro clubs. This is why SY doesnt make sense. It doesnt apply and creates unwanted associations with school grade.

“Unwanted associations”… you are slicing the bologna pretty thin.

Unwanted associations simply means that clubs dont want players grouped by somthing artificial like grade in school. If a player has the physical ability to play professionally at 15 years old this is what they want to occur. They dont want that player being grouped with and called a freshman in HS. See how it works? Playing ability is completely separate from grade in school.

Dude…you’re telling on yourself. You have no idea how professional club academies work outside of the US.

You’re literally picking fights and disagreeing with ZERO knowledge.

You have no clue.

Keep embarrassing yourself.

🤭 you’ve got no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

Ranking app says different and the younger the team the more even GA and ECNL are.

The trend is in GAs favor

You’re a fool.
2012 top 25
22-ECNL
3-GA
2011 girls top 25
22-ECNL
3-GA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

Ranking app says different and the younger the team the more even GA and ECNL are.

The trend is in GAs favor

2010
22ecnl
3GA

2009
24 ECNL
1GA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the ECNL hat is just a troll pushing buttons.

What's unfortunate is people that are new to all this might believe the nonsense.

That ECNL is the best girls platform and sends the most girls to college and has the most coaches at showcases? That’s true so good thing they believe us.

Not saying GA is bad… they are just second best and why play in the second league if your kid can play in the best league.

Actually, it's a 2-way street. ECNL teams look for GA players to help THEM out (also try to recruit -- just because ECNL might have the best current girls platform, doesn't mean it has all the talent. Far from it and why they remain vulnerable, especially if their marketing ever collapses).

It has the majority of the talent. Which is why it’s the best girls platform.
GA has some good players and teams just not even close to equal standing with ECNL.
ECNL teams/players top to bottom is substantial higher level.

Ranking app says different and the younger the team the more even GA and ECNL are.

The trend is in GAs favor

You’re a fool.
2012 top 25
22-ECNL
3-GA
2011 girls top 25
22-ECNL
3-GA

Theres more high level GA teams today then there was 3 years ago. This is called a positive trend. ECNL is roughly the same.

One of the issues with the ranking app is that it gives a slight "power ranking" to two teams that play each other that are roughly the same level. If you're a top ECNL team in a league stacked with top ECNL teams you get a small boost for wins. If you are a top GA team playing in a league with not so good teams you're forced to blow everyone out to maintain a high ranking. The ranking app does this to not incentivize top teams going up in ranking by looking for teams they can blow out by 10+ goals a game. Unfortunately it penalizes leagues with a variance in team levels.