Montgomery County - What Happened?

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Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

Old Town and Del Ray are as old as anything in Montgomery County. George Washington literally hung out in Alexandria for goodness sake and went to restaurants there that are still open today.

Established?! What are you talking about?

All the growth is NOT in Del Ray. It’s in Tysons. A place that didn’t exist 50 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again for the people in the back…

MoCo is on a different timeline than NoVa. You can’t compare two markets that are in vastly different stages of growth. Nova was empty land while MoCo was booming so of course Nova is still growing while Moco is maturing.

Old Town and Del Ray are as old as anything in Montgomery County. George Washington literally hung out in Alexandria for goodness sake and went to restaurants there that are still open today.

Established?! What are you talking about?

All the growth is NOT in Del Ray. It’s in Tysons. A place that didn’t exist 50 years ago.

Have you been to Alexandria’s waterfront in the past 2 years or seen the transformation of Potomac Yards? Have you seen how nice it looks from the Arlington border on Route 1 to Old Town compared to 30 years ago? A new Metro station in Del Ray isn’t development? The entire Mt Vernon Ave strip becoming one of the nicest commercial strips in the area in the past 30 years isn’t development? The skyrises from King Street to Eisenhower Avenue Metro isn’t development?

These places are not even close to Tysons. And again, Alexandria was “established” in the 1700s when George Washington was walking around Old Town and Montgomery County barely even had farms.

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Anonymous wrote:I notice people don't know how to drive in MOCO. They run stop signs, back up in parking lots and hit cars, make left turns from the right lane, and right turns from the left lane. They run red lights too. I notice the slow pokes are on their phones and not paying attention to their driving. I see side streets with cars that were rear ended over night. A lot of hit and runs.
I see some cars with expired tags, some cars with Virginia tags, and some cars with no tags.
I see some small pickup trucks overloaded with metals that aren't covered and blowing off the back of the truck in traffic. You complain to the police and they said they would have to ticket every car on the road. They also said the county doesn't back them up when they enforce the law,


Its really becoming a third world.

Yes, all of Nova drivers are just great:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p94l0x/everyone_brought_their_blocking_the_box_permit_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pefohg/i_want_a_refund/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pex1bz/headlights/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1pecb9k/accident_286_around_south_run/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p95w46/police_know_they_need_to_be_directing_traffic_out/
https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1p98pko/i_hope_you_made_it_safe/

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

You should check out the demographics for MVHS. See, I can cherry pick schools too.

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NoVa looks third world. Areas like Tysons and Arlington seem like they have no zoning, just a chaotic mix of huge highways and random development. And to get almost anywhere in Nova, you're subjected to toll roads on privatized highways that were sold out to the highest bidder.

And now, the good times are ending for Virginia and taxes are going up:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/12/02/virginia-budget-taxes-spanberger-youngkin/

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

You should check out the demographics for MVHS. See, I can cherry pick schools too.

Everything I said is true, and MVHS’s demographics don’t contradict a word of what I said — you’re just nitpicking to bicker. MVHS pulls from both sides of the highway. Waynewood ES demographics is what you get if you only pull from a few blocks from the highway, to the water. It’s the only example of such a school, but if there were another ES similar to Waynewood geographically, but in Mount Vernon, it would be the exact same.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

You should check out the demographics for MVHS. See, I can cherry pick schools too.

Everything I said is true, and MVHS’s demographics don’t contradict a word of what I said — you’re just nitpicking to bicker. MVHS pulls from both sides of the highway. Waynewood ES demographics is what you get if you only pull from a few blocks from the highway, to the water. It’s the only example of such a school, but if there were another ES similar to Waynewood geographically, but in Mount Vernon, it would be the exact same.

So, your argument is that Mount Vernon is segregated, but the reality is that's only Waynewood ES. If you had made your argument about Fort Hunt road, I would agree with you. Anything within a few miles of Route 1 isn't 90% white.

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Anonymous wrote:NoVa looks third world. Areas like Tysons and Arlington seem like they have no zoning, just a chaotic mix of huge highways and random development. And to get almost anywhere in Nova, you're subjected to toll roads on privatized highways that were sold out to the highest bidder.

And now, the good times are ending for Virginia and taxes are going up:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/12/02/virginia-budget-taxes-spanberger-youngkin/

I am not aware of any place around here that isn't a chaotic mix of highways. If you are claiming MoCo doesn't have this problem, you don't drive anywhere.

With Democrats in charge of the legislature and executive, it's certain that down state is going to turn to the piggy bank that is NoVA to fund their little schemes.

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Anonymous wrote:NoVa looks third world. Areas like Tysons and Arlington seem like they have no zoning, just a chaotic mix of huge highways and random development. And to get almost anywhere in Nova, you're subjected to toll roads on privatized highways that were sold out to the highest bidder.

And now, the good times are ending for Virginia and taxes are going up:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/12/02/virginia-budget-taxes-spanberger-youngkin/

I am not aware of any place around here that isn't a chaotic mix of highways. If you are claiming MoCo doesn't have this problem, you don't drive anywhere.

With Democrats in charge of the legislature and executive, it's certain that down state is going to turn to the piggy bank that is NoVA to fund their little schemes.

The roads are legitimately the worst part of Nova. MoCo is a far better driving experience. No comparison at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

You should check out the demographics for MVHS. See, I can cherry pick schools too.

Everything I said is true, and MVHS’s demographics don’t contradict a word of what I said — you’re just nitpicking to bicker. MVHS pulls from both sides of the highway. Waynewood ES demographics is what you get if you only pull from a few blocks from the highway, to the water. It’s the only example of such a school, but if there were another ES similar to Waynewood geographically, but in Mount Vernon, it would be the exact same.

So, your argument is that Mount Vernon is segregated, but the reality is that's only Waynewood ES. If you had made your argument about Fort Hunt road, I would agree with you. Anything within a few miles of Route 1 isn't 90% white.

Are you disagreeing with the statement that both Mount Vernon, and Fort Hunt from the water to a few blocks of Richmond Highway are 90% white?

Do you understand the concept of an ES pulling from two segregated areas, which makes the school diverse but the areas are still segregated. That’s what is happening with each and every ES on the water side of Richmond Highway other than Waynewod. Stratford for instance — it’s in the whitest possible area, just as white as Waynewood, but because it pulls from some apartment complexes on Richmond Highway does it appears diverse. Belle View — same thing.

At the end of the day, people who know the area know exactly what I’m talking about — 22309 as a whole is diverse on paper, but it’s still as if decades old levels of segregation is going on down there.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess people on this board don't care about health care and life sciences jobs?

https://governor.maryland.gov/news/press/pages/Governor-Moore-and-AstraZeneca-Announce-$2-Billion-Investment-to-Expand-Manufacturing-in-Maryland,-Supporting-2,600-Jobs.aspx

Meanwhile, Amazon is laying off people constantly and hasn't followed through on its promises to Arlington.

LOL! I read the press release and this $2 billion investment is just creating 300 permanent jobs. The rest of the work will be done by robots probably. Pathetic.

You can’t lay off jobs that were never created.

In contrast, Amazon will probably exit Arlington entirely in 10 years, after it decides it no longer needs to have any workers here.

Arlington was a lot nicer than Montgomery County before Amazon. It had, and still has, the largest percentage of residents with graduate degrees in the entire country. It had so much tax revenue coming in pre Amazon it was building million dollar bus stops on Columbia Pike and renovated its high schools to look like college campuses. Montgomery County is getting sued because there’s black mold in their schools.

You don’t want to get in a tit for tat battle between Arlington and Montgomery County. Stick to pretending that places like Montgomery Village, Germantown, and Gaithersburg don’t exist and attacking Fairfax’s suburban sprawl and data centers as if it’s any more unsightly than driving up Georgia Avenue or Rockville Pike.

Which Arlington? Arlington is ugly as hell. The whole NoVa is fugly.

Posts like this are in bad faith, and so tiring.

Look, I’m a DC guy living in Logan Circle, so I don’t really have skin in the game here in terms of MoCo vs NoVa. The legacy areas of MoCo that are beautiful are exactly that — very beautiful. I’m talking Chevy Chase, Kenwood, Bethesda, the ritzy parts of Potomac, Kensington, and a few others. Many of these are nicer aesthetically than the nicest that NoVa has to offer. But the key word is “legacy” — these areas are what they are as a product of a different time when MoCo was the king of the area. When I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s, MoCo was the place, and NoVa was its podunk cousin, with a few nice areas to be sure, but MoCo was king.

That being said, this topic isn’t about that. It’s about now, and the structural truth is that NoVa has surged way past MoCo as a whole in terms of jobs, wealth, and development over the past 20 years. And no amount of snide posting that NoVa is “ugly” will change that fact.

NoVa may have surpassed MoCo in terms of jobs, but it's still ugly.
Having a bunch of development, structures and concrete, doesn't make an area aesthetically pleasing, au contraire.

I would argue that as a whole, there’s really no difference in beauty between MoCo and NoVa. Are you really going to argue with a straight face that Gaithersburg, Rockville, much of Silver Spring aren’t ugly and essentially just strip mall after strip mall? Sure, Takoma Park, Bethesda and Chevy Chase and Potomac are pretty. But so are Old Town, Belle Haven, Mount Vernon by the water, McLean, Del Ray, Falls Church, etc.

As a whole the two areas are on equal footing aesthetically and any other claim here is made in bad faith.

Yes, there's.
Most of NoVa is a concrete jungle, developments with no charms, no characters and aesthetic.
Look at Arlington, millions dollar homes but it's fugly.

Much of Arlington looks like Bethesda; the dowdier parts look like Silver Spring.

MoCo defenders only insult themselves when they criticize Arlington.

Silver spring looks like bethesda. It’s the demographics that people react to. Plain old racism.

That's kind of funny. AI says this about Bethesda:

In Bethesda, Maryland, as of the 2020 census, the racial composition was approximately 69.5% White, 8.9% Hispanic or Latino, 4.9% Black or African American, 11.7% Asian, and 8.2% identified as two or more races. The area is known for its diversity, with a diversity score of 94 out of 100.

In this area, I wouldn't call those numbers particularly diverse, being well below national averages. Here's the city of Alexandria:

As of 2023, Alexandria, VA has a diverse population with the largest ethnic groups being White (Non-Hispanic) at 49.6%, Black or African American (Non-Hispanic) at 20.7%, and Hispanic individuals making up about 18.2% of the population. The city also includes Asian residents at 6.24% and those identifying as Two Races Including Other (Hispanic) at 7.26%.

In my ugly part of NoVA,

Mount Vernon, Virginia, has a diverse racial composition, with approximately 58.5% White, 16.9% Black or African American, 7.2% Asian, and 3.8% from other races as of 2025. The area also has a significant Hispanic population, making up about 18.2% of the residents.

Bethesda sure has the hype machine running about diversity.

I have a house in Mount Vernon and am a huge fan, however saying Mount Vernon is diverse is a big LOL. I literally cannot think of a more racially segregated place in the DMV other than Mount Vernon / Fort Hunt. Anything from Richmond hwy to the water is upwards of 90% white — almost no Asians, or Indians even as with other parts of NoVa. Look up the demographics of Waynewood ES for fun. Then the highway itself and the other side of the highway is Hispanic and black. The zip code demographics are very very misleading.

You should check out the demographics for MVHS. See, I can cherry pick schools too.

Everything I said is true, and MVHS’s demographics don’t contradict a word of what I said — you’re just nitpicking to bicker. MVHS pulls from both sides of the highway. Waynewood ES demographics is what you get if you only pull from a few blocks from the highway, to the water. It’s the only example of such a school, but if there were another ES similar to Waynewood geographically, but in Mount Vernon, it would be the exact same.

So, your argument is that Mount Vernon is segregated, but the reality is that's only Waynewood ES. If you had made your argument about Fort Hunt road, I would agree with you. Anything within a few miles of Route 1 isn't 90% white.

Are you disagreeing with the statement that both Mount Vernon, and Fort Hunt from the water to a few blocks of Richmond Highway are 90% white?

Do you understand the concept of an ES pulling from two segregated areas, which makes the school diverse but the areas are still segregated. That’s what is happening with each and every ES on the water side of Richmond Highway other than Waynewod. Stratford for instance — it’s in the whitest possible area, just as white as Waynewood, but because it pulls from some apartment complexes on Richmond Highway does it appears diverse. Belle View — same thing.

At the end of the day, people who know the area know exactly what I’m talking about — 22309 as a whole is diverse on paper, but it’s still as if decades old levels of segregation is going on down there.

Yeah, I don't see it. We don't shop, dine, or go to the gym in different locations to avoid the "diversity." Perhaps that's because I live along Route 1 and not next to the Potomac.

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Anonymous wrote:NoVa looks third world. Areas like Tysons and Arlington seem like they have no zoning, just a chaotic mix of huge highways and random development. And to get almost anywhere in Nova, you're subjected to toll roads on privatized highways that were sold out to the highest bidder.

And now, the good times are ending for Virginia and taxes are going up:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/12/02/virginia-budget-taxes-spanberger-youngkin/

I am not aware of any place around here that isn't a chaotic mix of highways. If you are claiming MoCo doesn't have this problem, you don't drive anywhere.

With Democrats in charge of the legislature and executive, it's certain that down state is going to turn to the piggy bank that is NoVA to fund their little schemes.

The roads are legitimately the worst part of Nova. MoCo is a far better driving experience. No comparison at all.

Other than the Maryland drivers.