Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. No matter what you think about he assault allegations he demonstrated extreme partisanship, belief in conspiracy theories and an unhinged demeanor that do not suit a SC Justice.

Well, when you have one side calling you “evil” and stating that you will “destroy people,” it tends to have an effect on how you view them. He had every right to call out their games, their smears, their efforts to delay.

He was defending his reputation and his livelihood. I actually think he showed some restraint. I would have been a hell of a lot angrier had these false allegations been leveled at me.

Precisely. I saw controlled - and *justified*- anger. If my husband or son were accused of something that they flatly denied doing, I would fully understand their anger, frustration, and tears. Those PPs mocking Kavanaugh for becoming emotional obviously have no empathy whatsoever for someone trying to defend their honor while simultaneously being smeared in front of millions of people. Even if he is able to officially clear his name, his life will never be the same again. This is all that his kids will see on Google for the rest of their lives. Forget about all the great things he's done. He's being judged guilty in the court of public opinion. We might as well be back in Salem, 1692.

+1 and all part of a political game

His complete refusal to have the FBI investigate makes it clear that he knew he would be in trouble if they investigated. Remember, he worked in the white house in the office that works with the fbi investigations! He knew he was taking a big gamble pushing this but he seriously thought that #metoo would not apply to him. He shouldn't have gambled his family this way. His family shouldn't suffer like this but he 100% made his bed here.

This is the thing that kills me the most.

The moment Ford came forward, he should have stepped down. What kind of man does this to his wife and his daughters? HIS DAUGHTERS?!?!?!?!

If he becomes scotus, they are destroyed. If he doesn't become scotus, they are destroyed. But if he had quit before Ford's testimony: he could have saved them.

The lack of fatherly ethics is astounding.

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Did you watch his 30+ hours of testimony 2 weeks ago?
Yesterday he was there defending his reputation, his integrity and his livelihood. He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “danger to all.” He was facing people who had proudly and publicly said, “I believe her” before hearing any testimony. He had every right to be angry. He had every right to show his fury at these ridiculous charges.
And, no, he could not adequately defend himself without showing his outrage. Had he done that, you folks would still say, “Look... he really is guilty. An innocent man would have more anger.”
Face it - NOTHING he did would please you.

This. So much this.

I honestly cannot believe some people think he should have somehow handled himself better. The man is being acused of sexual assault. I expect him to be angry and show it.

He is not presiding over a court case. He is defending his reputation.

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He had been very calm and soft spoken during his interview with Martha Macallum (sp?), but that was several days before the other outrageous claims came out. By yesterday, I imagine it was all he could do to speak coherently without breaking down. I had to listen on the radio since I was driving, but was in tears listening to the anger and pain in his voice, trying to hold it together. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be accused of things you didn’t do, and having no way to clear your name.

The man was accused of horrible things that he flatly denies. I don’t know who’s telling the truth here, but those of you who believe Ford without reservation, may I ask why? Every witness she has named has refuted her claim. Yes, even Mark Judge who did so in writing, under penalty of perjury. No one has corroborated her account. Why is it that you have such certainty that he did it? I don’t get this utter glee some of you have about ruining this man’s life - with zero evidence.

His rants betrayed his partisanship and hatred for fellow Americans who he will be asked to serve in the SCOTUS. His responsibility is NOT to the president or the GOP; it is to the Constitution. And that Constitution is as much as a "left" or Democratic Constitution as it is a "right" or Republican one. He was clearly unhinged as he threatened to take down the left. And over what?

There IS considerable evidence that at the very least, he demonstrated deep disregard for women in his life as a younger man. As a judge he has been noted to select women with a certain "look" - not based upon their talent, necessarily. A Devils Triangle is not a drinking game. Renate Alumnus is not a flattering comment. He belonged to a social group at Yale that reveled in disregard and sexual objectification of women. Yes, there are absolutely pieces of evidence that suggest Kavanaugh thinks little of women beyond their body parts.

He's a grown frat bro. Nothing more and totally unworthy of the seat he seems to think he's entitled to.

Sorry, but there has been zero evidence that he selected women with a certain "look" - that was all hearsay and innuendo. Did he select many female law clerks? Yes - TO HIS CREDIT. As for the ridiculous references to his yearbook, none of that absurdity has anything to do with the allegation and should not have even been brought up. What an embarrassment Sen. Whitehouse is. I don't blame Kavanaugh at all for being upset. I would be too if hammered with the kinds of questions we saw yesterday, that had ZERO to do with Ford's allegation. So pathetic.

Those "stupid" things had everything to do with Ford's allegation. He was accused of doing this reprehensible thing as a high school student. Looking at his yearbook entry is no different than him bringing his stupid calendars. Those yearbook entries speak to the kind of person he was at the time the alleged attack took place and represent his own way of representing himself at that time. He may have been "just a kid" but none of us believe the BS he was slinging about those yearbook entries. He presented himself as a hard partier in those entries. Why is this relevant? Because now he is flat out denying that he was that kind of partier or that he engaged in the kinds of exploits mentioned in that yearbook entry.

He's an entitled prick and a liar. All you PPs going on about his righteous rage are either suckers or just like the Republican senators that think your social agenda is worth putting a total asshole on the Court. Morally bankrupt every single one of you.

A) I'm a moderate - not a conservative.
B) If anyone is morally bankrupt here, it would be you, others who think like you, and the Democratic senators - all of whom claim he is guilty with no hard evidence or witness corroboration. You want him to be guilty, and so he is. YOU are the problem with this country. If all you have are some absurd yearbook entries (I'd sure hate for mine to become public record), then this is simply the most absurd witch hunt I've ever witnessed. You should all be deeply ashamed at the way in which you've treated an innocent man - because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty. Even you.

you should watch the whole day. I don't think you watched it.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read this thread off and on throughout the past two days, though obvously not all of it. I thought be may have had a drinking problem when he was younger, but now looking back at the hearing, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a highly functioning alcoholic. The two times he threw questions back at Senators was for Whitehouse and Klobacar. Neither were being reactionary and both were relating to alcohol consumption. He kept empasizing "just beer" too much for someone who has a healthy relationship with alcohol. And his wife looked pissed when he went on his tirades, it made me wonder if she has been on the receiving end.

Yep. EXACTLY this.

I know alcoholics like this. This is a problem.

There’s so much focus on everything else that I feel like the obvious conclusion is being glossed over. Kavanaugh has a drinking problem and can’t recall whether he did this or not because he seriously doesn’t remember. I also find it extremely hard to believe that he and Judge were very close and had the same social habits, Judge nearly died from alcoholism, and Kavanaugh didn’t have even a minor drinking problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the FBI investigation go into Ford's background and mental health issues? Can they question her therapists, physicians etc.?

Yes. They likely will.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many of you have compared our lives today to something out of "The Handmaid's Tale," when what's going on with the Kavanaugh hearing is like something out of 1984. It's like we've devolved into a society in which the accused actually has to prove his innocence, rather than being proven guilty. I am honestly frightened for all of us, if all it takes to claim someone is guilty is simply saying so. So much for due process.

So much this. This should have been done discreetly, as soon as the allegations were made.

If only the Republicans were running the committee! Oh wait, they were, and they could have picked a timeline that allowed for due process but didn’t.

If only the Democrats had MADE THE REPUBLICANS AWARE of the allegations over the summer instead of waiting until the eve of confirmation, *knowing* they could pull it out as a Hail Mary, if necessary. Wouldn't that have been nice if the Democrats had shared this information with the Republicans early on? But they didn't. I wonder why that is.

Why do you wonder? Dr. Ford answered that question - you know, when she was being questioned by a sex crimes prosecutor - in the hearing. Go listen to it.

But that would be paying attention to reality. Republicans and their supporters have a tenuous relationship with reality. It just doesn't support their way of thinking, so they avoid it and construct a fantasy world instead. They know if they say the same lies or half-truths over and over, they will become the Truth!!

LOL it’s seems to be on both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read this thread off and on throughout the past two days, though obvously not all of it. I thought be may have had a drinking problem when he was younger, but now looking back at the hearing, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a highly functioning alcoholic. The two times he threw questions back at Senators was for Whitehouse and Klobacar. Neither were being reactionary and both were relating to alcohol consumption. He kept empasizing "just beer" too much for someone who has a healthy relationship with alcohol. And his wife looked pissed when he went on his tirades, it made me wonder if she has been on the receiving end.

Yep. EXACTLY this.

I know alcoholics like this. This is a problem.

Surely there's another accusation you can throw at him as well. Apparently, it's not enough to stop with attempted rape, rape, attempted murder, anger issues, lying, gambling, and alcoholism.

Where have you been? He went the whackadoodle approach. That is Trump's style and Trump gets accused of early onset dementia and snorting ritalin. There was a risk with the whackadoodle approach, but he took it and now he gets the results of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I've read this thread off and on throughout the past two days, though obvously not all of it. I thought be may have had a drinking problem when he was younger, but now looking back at the hearing, I wouldn't be surprised if he's a highly functioning alcoholic. The two times he threw questions back at Senators was for Whitehouse and Klobacar. Neither were being reactionary and both were relating to alcohol consumption. He kept empasizing "just beer" too much for someone who has a healthy relationship with alcohol. And his wife looked pissed when he went on his tirades, it made me wonder if she has been on the receiving end.

Yep. EXACTLY this.

I know alcoholics like this. This is a problem.

Surely there's another accusation you can throw at him as well. Apparently, it's not enough to stop with attempted rape, rape, attempted murder, anger issues, lying, gambling, and alcoholism.

I don't trust "fathers" that are so willing to gamble with their family's privacy this way. He knew what he was doing. He knew he had a history (his best friend wrote books about it and he praised said books) and he still decided this was best.

Best for him-- maybe. Best for his family? Eff no.

And you can think all you like about people making accusations: but any man who would expose his family to this kind of vitriol is not a man. He's a monster.

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Tweet from Rand Paul:

Yesterday there was an attempt to incite people by publishing the personal information of Senators - including home addresses- endangering them & their families. This should be investigated & the perpetrators punished. There is too much hatred and violence in politics these days.

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Anonymous wrote:You are right. Kavanaugh was doing that in the hearing. Insisting over and over that her own friend said the party didn't happen, her friend said she didn't know Brett Kavanaugh, Judge saying it didn't happen. None of those things are what they said. But he said it over and over and over again to make sure we got it.

Gaslighting 101.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many of you have compared our lives today to something out of "The Handmaid's Tale," when what's going on with the Kavanaugh hearing is like something out of 1984. It's like we've devolved into a society in which the accused actually has to prove his innocence, rather than being proven guilty. I am honestly frightened for all of us, if all it takes to claim someone is guilty is simply saying so. So much for due process.

So much this. This should have been done discreetly, as soon as the allegations were made.

If only the Republicans were running the committee! Oh wait, they were, and they could have picked a timeline that allowed for due process but didn’t.

If only the Democrats had MADE THE REPUBLICANS AWARE of the allegations over the summer instead of waiting until the eve of confirmation, *knowing* they could pull it out as a Hail Mary, if necessary. Wouldn't that have been nice if the Democrats had shared this information with the Republicans early on? But they didn't. I wonder why that is.

Oh no!! I can’t run my committee waaaaaaah and have no idea what’s going on. Bunch of big crybabies who can’t handle their jobs.

What, exactly, is your issue? That you can't stand to hear the other side of an argument? How were the Republicans supposed to know about this allegation that Feinstein sat on? Telepathy?

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It's bullshit partisan political tactics that should be thrown out of the court of consideration. Twenty years ago I might have given the accusations more weight, today when someone can become a hero to a cause with unsubstantiated claims not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. No matter what you think about he assault allegations he demonstrated extreme partisanship, belief in conspiracy theories and an unhinged demeanor that do not suit a SC Justice.

Well, when you have one side calling you “evil” and stating that you will “destroy people,” it tends to have an effect on how you view them. He had every right to call out their games, their smears, their efforts to delay.

He was defending his reputation and his livelihood. I actually think he showed some restraint. I would have been a hell of a lot angrier had these false allegations been leveled at me.

Precisely. I saw controlled - and *justified*- anger. If my husband or son were accused of something that they flatly denied doing, I would fully understand their anger, frustration, and tears. Those PPs mocking Kavanaugh for becoming emotional obviously have no empathy whatsoever for someone trying to defend their honor while simultaneously being smeared in front of millions of people. Even if he is able to officially clear his name, his life will never be the same again. This is all that his kids will see on Google for the rest of their lives. Forget about all the great things he's done. He's being judged guilty in the court of public opinion. We might as well be back in Salem, 1692.

+1 and all part of a political game

His complete refusal to have the FBI investigate makes it clear that he knew he would be in trouble if they investigated. Remember, he worked in the white house in the office that works with the fbi investigations! He knew he was taking a big gamble pushing this but he seriously thought that #metoo would not apply to him. He shouldn't have gambled his family this way. His family shouldn't suffer like this but he 100% made his bed here.

It will be interesting to hear the results of the FBI investigation, won't it? Especially when they determine that he is an innocent man. Will you come back to apologize? Rhetorical question, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. No matter what you think about he assault allegations he demonstrated extreme partisanship, belief in conspiracy theories and an unhinged demeanor that do not suit a SC Justice.

Well, when you have one side calling you “evil” and stating that you will “destroy people,” it tends to have an effect on how you view them. He had every right to call out their games, their smears, their efforts to delay.

He was defending his reputation and his livelihood. I actually think he showed some restraint. I would have been a hell of a lot angrier had these false allegations been leveled at me.

Precisely. I saw controlled - and *justified*- anger. If my husband or son were accused of something that they flatly denied doing, I would fully understand their anger, frustration, and tears. Those PPs mocking Kavanaugh for becoming emotional obviously have no empathy whatsoever for someone trying to defend their honor while simultaneously being smeared in front of millions of people. Even if he is able to officially clear his name, his life will never be the same again. This is all that his kids will see on Google for the rest of their lives. Forget about all the great things he's done. He's being judged guilty in the court of public opinion. We might as well be back in Salem, 1692.

+1 and all part of a political game

His complete refusal to have the FBI investigate makes it clear that he knew he would be in trouble if they investigated. Remember, he worked in the white house in the office that works with the fbi investigations! He knew he was taking a big gamble pushing this but he seriously thought that #metoo would not apply to him. He shouldn't have gambled his family this way. His family shouldn't suffer like this but he 100% made his bed here.

It will be interesting to hear the results of the FBI investigation, won't it? Especially when they determine that he is an innocent man. Will you come back to apologize? Rhetorical question, btw.

Rhetorical, because he is not an innocent man.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many of you have compared our lives today to something out of "The Handmaid's Tale," when what's going on with the Kavanaugh hearing is like something out of 1984. It's like we've devolved into a society in which the accused actually has to prove his innocence, rather than being proven guilty. I am honestly frightened for all of us, if all it takes to claim someone is guilty is simply saying so. So much for due process.

So much this. This should have been done discreetly, as soon as the allegations were made.

If only the Republicans were running the committee! Oh wait, they were, and they could have picked a timeline that allowed for due process but didn’t.

If only the Democrats had MADE THE REPUBLICANS AWARE of the allegations over the summer instead of waiting until the eve of confirmation, *knowing* they could pull it out as a Hail Mary, if necessary. Wouldn't that have been nice if the Democrats had shared this information with the Republicans early on? But they didn't. I wonder why that is.

You know why that is. Republicans would have spiked the allegations, swept them under the rug to muffle the victim. You know that, and you wanted that.

What are you blabbering about? Had the Republicans been notified of the allegations, none of this would have had to happen. They could have investigated, found out whether there was any truth to them, and moved on. This entire process has been tainted by the actions of the Democrats. We won't forget about this at the polls next month.

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Did you watch his 30+ hours of testimony 2 weeks ago?
Yesterday he was there defending his reputation, his integrity and his livelihood. He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “danger to all.” He was facing people who had proudly and publicly said, “I believe her” before hearing any testimony. He had every right to be angry. He had every right to show his fury at these ridiculous charges.
And, no, he could not adequately defend himself without showing his outrage. Had he done that, you folks would still say, “Look... he really is guilty. An innocent man would have more anger.”
Face it - NOTHING he did would please you.

This. So much this.

I honestly cannot believe some people think he should have somehow handled himself better. The man is being acused of sexual assault. I expect him to be angry and show it.

He is not presiding over a court case. He is defending his reputation.

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He had been very calm and soft spoken during his interview with Martha Macallum (sp?), but that was several days before the other outrageous claims came out. By yesterday, I imagine it was all he could do to speak coherently without breaking down. I had to listen on the radio since I was driving, but was in tears listening to the anger and pain in his voice, trying to hold it together. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to be accused of things you didn’t do, and having no way to clear your name.

The man was accused of horrible things that he flatly denies. I don’t know who’s telling the truth here, but those of you who believe Ford without reservation, may I ask why? Every witness she has named has refuted her claim. Yes, even Mark Judge who did so in writing, under penalty of perjury. No one has corroborated her account. Why is it that you have such certainty that he did it? I don’t get this utter glee some of you have about ruining this man’s life - with zero evidence.

His rants betrayed his partisanship and hatred for fellow Americans who he will be asked to serve in the SCOTUS. His responsibility is NOT to the president or the GOP; it is to the Constitution. And that Constitution is as much as a "left" or Democratic Constitution as it is a "right" or Republican one. He was clearly unhinged as he threatened to take down the left. And over what?

There IS considerable evidence that at the very least, he demonstrated deep disregard for women in his life as a younger man. As a judge he has been noted to select women with a certain "look" - not based upon their talent, necessarily. A Devils Triangle is not a drinking game. Renate Alumnus is not a flattering comment. He belonged to a social group at Yale that reveled in disregard and sexual objectification of women. Yes, there are absolutely pieces of evidence that suggest Kavanaugh thinks little of women beyond their body parts.

He's a grown frat bro. Nothing more and totally unworthy of the seat he seems to think he's entitled to.

Sorry, but there has been zero evidence that he selected women with a certain "look" - that was all hearsay and innuendo. Did he select many female law clerks? Yes - TO HIS CREDIT. As for the ridiculous references to his yearbook, none of that absurdity has anything to do with the allegation and should not have even been brought up. What an embarrassment Sen. Whitehouse is. I don't blame Kavanaugh at all for being upset. I would be too if hammered with the kinds of questions we saw yesterday, that had ZERO to do with Ford's allegation. So pathetic.

Those "stupid" things had everything to do with Ford's allegation. He was accused of doing this reprehensible thing as a high school student. Looking at his yearbook entry is no different than him bringing his stupid calendars. Those yearbook entries speak to the kind of person he was at the time the alleged attack took place and represent his own way of representing himself at that time. He may have been "just a kid" but none of us believe the BS he was slinging about those yearbook entries. He presented himself as a hard partier in those entries. Why is this relevant? Because now he is flat out denying that he was that kind of partier or that he engaged in the kinds of exploits mentioned in that yearbook entry.

He's an entitled prick and a liar. All you PPs going on about his righteous rage are either suckers or just like the Republican senators that think your social agenda is worth putting a total asshole on the Court. Morally bankrupt every single one of you.

A) I'm a moderate - not a conservative.
B) If anyone is morally bankrupt here, it would be you, others who think like you, and the Democratic senators - all of whom claim he is guilty with no hard evidence or witness corroboration. You want him to be guilty, and so he is. YOU are the problem with this country. If all you have are some absurd yearbook entries (I'd sure hate for mine to become public record), then this is simply the most absurd witch hunt I've ever witnessed. You should all be deeply ashamed at the way in which you've treated an innocent man - because last I checked, we are ALL innocent until proven guilty. Even you.

A) I'm a moderate, although probably more left-leaning than you.
B) I never said he was guilty. I said he was accused. Trying reading, not assuming. I did say he was a liar, and I'll stand by that. His answers were evasive and he lied about meanings of things to avoid looking bad. I said he is an entitled prick, and I stand by that. His way of evading direct, yes-no questions was to go on and on about his academic record and that he went to Yale Law School. Those things don't make you a good, honest person. He is accomplished, but accomplished people can be assholes, can break the law, can commit sexual assault. I said he is an asshole, and I stand by that. No one who rants about conspiracies and revenge for the Clintons (!!!WTF) should be confirmed to a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court. He is unfit, regardless of whether the allegation is true or not.

YOU are convinced he is innocent based SOLELY on his testimony. It is NO DIFFERENT than anyone on this thread who says he is guilty based solely on her testimony. This was no trial. There was no opportunity for corroboration or evidence to be presented. It was only testimony by the two people. You are the one who is absurd. Get off your high horse.

And if he is innocent, as he says, he should not be afraid of an FBI investigation.