Anonymous wrote:100 years ago Egypt had a Jew be in its cabinet.
Now it is hard in Egypt and the rest of the Muslim middle east for a Jew to just be.
When was the last Muslim in a cabinet in Israel?
There has been exactly one "Israeli Arab", which includes Muslims, Christians, Bedouins and Druze, member of cabinet. He didn't have a portfolio and that government, the preceding one to this one, lasted only six months, in part because they broke an unwritten rule and included him in the governing coalition.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.
Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.
Or Israel supporters mimicking anti-Israel protestors in order to make it look like it came from them. We don't know for sure, but it's certainly plausible.
Qanon of the far left. That's what you pro-Hamas morons have become. Your brains are mushier than hummus.
The supposition that it was a false flag operation carried out by pro-Israel interest is not even close to Qanon-level lunacy.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.
Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.
Or Israel supporters mimicking anti-Israel protestors in order to make it look like it came from them. We don't know for sure, but it's certainly plausible.
Qanon of the far left. That's what you pro-Hamas morons have become. Your brains are mushier than hummus.
The supposition that it was a false flag operation carried out by pro-Israel interest is not even close to Qanon-level lunacy.
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.
Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.
Or Israel supporters mimicking anti-Israel protestors in order to make it look like it came from them. We don't know for sure, but it's certainly plausible.
Qanon of the far left. That's what you pro-Hamas morons have become. Your brains are mushier than hummus.
The supposition that it was a false flag operation carried out by pro-Israel interest is not even close to Qanon-level lunacy.
Given the broad daylight understanding of Israel's indisputable treachery on the USS Liberty and its sailors, Israel's long history of sending spies to monitor U.S. congressmen, etc., along with the general slimy scumbaggery of Bibi Netanyahu, on what planet do you live that such a theoretical possibility is SO ABSURD?
It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.
Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.
Or Israel supporters mimicking anti-Israel protestors in order to make it look like it came from them. We don't know for sure, but it's certainly plausible.
Qanon of the far left. That's what you pro-Hamas morons have become. Your brains are mushier than hummus.
The supposition that it was a false flag operation carried out by pro-Israel interest is not even close to Qanon-level lunacy.
Given the broad daylight understanding of Israel's indisputable treachery on the USS Liberty and its sailors, Israel's long history of sending spies to monitor U.S. congressmen, etc., along with the general slimy scumbaggery of Bibi Netanyahu, on what planet do you live that such a theoretical possibility is SO ABSURD?
Not to mention the pathological lying that is essential SOP for the IDF, and the systemic culture of lying that surrounds the Zionist movement.
Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.
Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.
All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?
Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?
You're ridiculous.
Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.
You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.
But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.
For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?
Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?
You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.
Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.
This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.
Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.
Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.
Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.
You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.
You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.
Oh they could do-exist is Israel was a secular country. Israel must drop the Jew state.
That’s absurd. Palestinians want an Islamic state, so you dear, are a hypocrite.
No they dont- Arabs have argued from the very beginning in 1948 that they want a single secular state. Basically what they want is what they would've gotten if they hadn't sided with the British against the Turks. a single, secular state which is what Turkey was before Erdogan, and he totally used the Israeli treatment of Palestinians to destroy Turkish secularism. Iran was also a secular democracy and the USA, UK , with Israel's help destroyed that. Pakistan was also a secular state, the USA sided with the Islamists and helped declare it an Islamic republic in the late 1970s. this happened all over the muslim world- the United States sided with islamists and religious extremists and pumped money and arms their way and CIA/Mossad assassinated liberal secular leaders all over Asia and Africa in muslim majority countries bc they thought secularists were communist friendly when really they wanted a Swedish style socialism. The Saudis and their pernicious extremist ISlam is also a by product of the UK and US money and interference in teh region and they control both oil wealth and the Kaaba, leaving very little room for Muslims to maneuver and live free lives especially since the US has brutally repressed their ability to do so by arming their oppressors. So many Arab christians have fled from the region, this bleeding of minority faiths happened b/c of US $$$ and arms pumped into the Muslim world in the 1960s and 70s.
You are conflating entirely unrelated issues. Hamas is literally fighting for an Islamic state.
Stop gaslighting us with scores of irrelevant drivel. It’s not working and just makes you look like an uneducated fool.
Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.
Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.
All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?
Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?
You're ridiculous.
Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.
You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.
But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.
For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?
Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?
You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.
Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.
This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.
Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.
Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.
Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.
You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.
You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.
I'm very skeptical about the "ancestral ties" claim. Yes, the Romans drove out the Jews a couple of millennia ago, but the indigenous people who remained have lived there for thousands of years, while many of the Jews who left mingled with Europeans, North Africans, and people in the Iberian peninsula. I am, in large part, an Ashkenazi Jew, and I have blue eyes, fair skin, and red-blond hair, as do my children. This comes from our central European ancestry. I could probably find a way to claim some land in what is now Israel, but I find that idea immoral. My "ancestral ties" to Europe are at least as strong as they are to what is now Israel, and after thousands of years of my family's absence, I have no claim on that land. I could just as well demand a piece of Poland! The same is true for many of those who have settled in Israel.
The other "ancestral tie" is based on God's supposed promise to Abraham. However, you can follow any of the three major monotheistic religions and nevertheless believe that Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses never existed and were literary creations that reflect human efforts to understand the divine. A literal interpretation of ancient scriptures is an all-around losing proposition for everyone. It says more about the thought processes of ancient and primitive people than it does about any God or gods. Modern theological movements generally move toward the abstract and pro-social and away from the literal and tribal.
The real reasons for Jewish claims of land in "Israel" are extremely selfish. The thug who said of stealing a Palestinian home, "If I don't steal it, someone else is gonna steal it," was right. These people absolutely are stealing. He was a New Yorker! What "ancestral tie" did he have that the person whose home he stole did not? These people have no morals, and their only allegiance is to feathering their own nests. They operate from narcissism and sociopathy, and that is why Israel has developed into a state that has no problem committing genocide. The U.S. should not be subsidizing this evil.
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Well, your skepticism is irrelevant. That said, your assertions were reasonable-seeming enough until your last paragraph.
My skepticism will become relevant when/if it is widely shared by the voting public. Attitudes toward Israel are changing very quickly from the old default of support to general disgust.
As to the reasonableness of my last paragraph, I think history will support my assertion that Israel is committing genocide. It will be interesting to revisit this topic 20 years from now.
It is interesting that the younger voters who do not watch or get their news from the mainstream/corporate media sources (that are very pro Israel) do not support Israel.
You mean the younger voters who get their “news” from TikTok and celebrated bin Laden’s letter?
They wouldn’t know UN Resolution 181 if it waked up and kicked them in the a**.
If there’s one thing that this situation has conclusively demonstrated, it’s that the current crop of 18-24 year olds are complete f***ing morons.
Yes, the minimum voting age needs to be raised.
Younger voters are very important to any successful candidate. That’s how Obama was able to beat Hillary because he was anti Iraq war and that attracted young voters. How selfish old people are. Young people are the ones who have to go to war and die if the elders keep messing up the world
Young voters never turn up to polls in the numbers predicted by the media. Remember when Bernie was going to be our next President? lol.
Anonymous wrote:100 years ago Egypt had a Jew be in its cabinet.
Now it is hard in Egypt and the rest of the Muslim middle east for a Jew to just be.
When was the last Muslim in a cabinet in Israel?
There has been exactly one "Israeli Arab", which includes Muslims, Christians, Bedouins and Druze, member of cabinet. He didn't have a portfolio and that government, the preceding one to this one, lasted only six months, in part because they broke an unwritten rule and included him in the governing coalition.
Much like the unwritten rule that settlers are supported by Israel because even though they don’t work , they have plenty of Jewish kids. What good are these kids though if they can’t serve in the army though ? Ben Gvir was apparently too radical to be considered to the IDF for security reasons because they thought he would go too far when it comes to shooting down Arabs but what’s too far exactly when they use F1s to drop phosphorous bombs? They need to create a plan for those settler teens because some of them are too trigger happy already throwing Grenades and setting fire to Palestinian homes
I actually give the settlers some respect for at least living where they fight and doing their fighting in person though they are insane they genuinely are willing to die for Israel and you can’t create that kind of fortitude anywhere except in religious ideologues who genuinely believe they’re doing Gods work. The IDF is missing out without them. They are going to need to depend on strong ground forces to get Hamas not an aerial campaign . IDFs weak spot is that
Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.
Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.
All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?
Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?
You're ridiculous.
Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.
You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.
But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.
For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?
Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?
You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.
Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.
This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.
Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.
Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.
Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.
You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.
You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.
I'm very skeptical about the "ancestral ties" claim. Yes, the Romans drove out the Jews a couple of millennia ago, but the indigenous people who remained have lived there for thousands of years, while many of the Jews who left mingled with Europeans, North Africans, and people in the Iberian peninsula. I am, in large part, an Ashkenazi Jew, and I have blue eyes, fair skin, and red-blond hair, as do my children. This comes from our central European ancestry. I could probably find a way to claim some land in what is now Israel, but I find that idea immoral. My "ancestral ties" to Europe are at least as strong as they are to what is now Israel, and after thousands of years of my family's absence, I have no claim on that land. I could just as well demand a piece of Poland! The same is true for many of those who have settled in Israel.
The other "ancestral tie" is based on God's supposed promise to Abraham. However, you can follow any of the three major monotheistic religions and nevertheless believe that Adam, Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Moses never existed and were literary creations that reflect human efforts to understand the divine. A literal interpretation of ancient scriptures is an all-around losing proposition for everyone. It says more about the thought processes of ancient and primitive people than it does about any God or gods. Modern theological movements generally move toward the abstract and pro-social and away from the literal and tribal.
The real reasons for Jewish claims of land in "Israel" are extremely selfish. The thug who said of stealing a Palestinian home, "If I don't steal it, someone else is gonna steal it," was right. These people absolutely are stealing. He was a New Yorker! What "ancestral tie" did he have that the person whose home he stole did not? These people have no morals, and their only allegiance is to feathering their own nests. They operate from narcissism and sociopathy, and that is why Israel has developed into a state that has no problem committing genocide. The U.S. should not be subsidizing this evil.
.
Well, your skepticism is irrelevant. That said, your assertions were reasonable-seeming enough until your last paragraph.
My skepticism will become relevant when/if it is widely shared by the voting public. Attitudes toward Israel are changing very quickly from the old default of support to general disgust.
As to the reasonableness of my last paragraph, I think history will support my assertion that Israel is committing genocide. It will be interesting to revisit this topic 20 years from now.
It is interesting that the younger voters who do not watch or get their news from the mainstream/corporate media sources (that are very pro Israel) do not support Israel.
You mean the younger voters who get their “news” from TikTok and celebrated bin Laden’s letter?
They wouldn’t know UN Resolution 181 if it waked up and kicked them in the a**.
If there’s one thing that this situation has conclusively demonstrated, it’s that the current crop of 18-24 year olds are complete f***ing morons.
Yes, the minimum voting age needs to be raised.
Younger voters are very important to any successful candidate. That’s how Obama was able to beat Hillary because he was anti Iraq war and that attracted young voters. How selfish old people are. Young people are the ones who have to go to war and die if the elders keep messing up the world
Young voters never turn up to polls in the numbers predicted by the media. Remember when Bernie was going to be our next President? lol.
Yea I remember Hillary was sweating about his crowds/rallies, and then some Bernie fanatic at the DNC leaked emails , and the president of the DNC Debbie Wasserman and Donna Brazile was fired from CNN for not allowing more debates. They games the system and cheated so Hillary would win over Bernie and then she got cheated by Trump.
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