Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:"Five men on missing Titanic sub confirmed dead after debris reveals ‘catastrophic implosion’
OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood, Hamish Harding, and Paul-Henri Nargeolet ‘have sadly been lost’"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-deaths-missing-titanic-oceangate-b2362578.html

See 27 pages ago

I apologize. I had no idea it was already posted. Thank you for letting me know.

Please don’t worry about it. That poster who mentioned 27 pages sounds grumpy and I guess they have lots of time to read all the pages.

Dp- what the PP posted was breaking news 4 hours ago. What do they think we’ve been discussed here for the past four hours? Actually find it quite rude when people just come and post information without reading what has already been posted. Can you imagine entering an in person conversation this way- bumbling in and interrupting conversation flow?

Presumably, that poster heard the “breaking news,” found it shocking, and posted here without knowing that even though it’s a breaking story, that particular tidbit had been known for a while. There was nothing rude about it.

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Anonymous wrote:That poor kid. I wonder if the parents fought over this before they went. I realize the son was 19 and an adult, but parent pressure can be the worst.

Presumably the parents paid for it because the ticket cost $250k.

Oh I forgot, that one family paid a half million dollars for this ordeal!!

I saw this on a Reddit thread about the passengers but the father wasn’t a billionaire however he was estimated to be worth 130 million which is still obviously mega wealthy.

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“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate

They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.

I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.

Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??

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Anonymous wrote:If thete was an implosion, wouldn't their Real Time Health Monitoring system have picked up on it?

No. Because the Real Time Health Monitoring System also imploded. I do not think you understand the immense pressure the water creates.

I mean, I never claimed to, so I also don't understand why you felt the need to add that dig (though I can come up with plausible reasons).

Anyways, I know it's a lot of pressure, but I would think the pressure increases gradually the deeper you go, not instanteously. And that the monitoring system would pick up on that.

Any health monitoring system would have been operating at 1 atmosphere of pressure inside the hull. You are right in that the pressure increases gradually, but people can’t survive that, so they made a bubble of one atmosphere in the submarine and sealed it up. As it goes down to 12k feet where the pressure is 500 atm, the pressure inside the bubble is still 1 atm. So when it implodes, the water rushes in at that pressure differential.

Imagine a tire blowing up right next to you. Let’s say that tire was pressured to 40 psi. One atmosphere is about 15 psi. So a tire blowing up in your face would be a 1 atm (air around your face) to 2.5 atm differential, so a 1.5 atm difference. Now imagine an explosion where the pressure differential was 500 atm.

Right, but an over-inflated tire will show signs of strain before it explodes, which is what the RTM was supposed to detect.

It did. They knew they were descending too quickly and were trying to release ballast before they lost communication. The pilot knew something was wrong.

Where did you see this?

NP. It’s on multiple news sites including MSN. A retired navy captain said he heard this from one of the crew members on the support ship. They were trying to lose weight right before losing communications. A loud bang was also picked up at the time.

Just did a search on MSN and they literally say the following:

"The vessel had a real-time monitoring system to detect any problems with the hull. In theory, that would give its operators enough time to send word of a problem or begin procedures to make an emergency surfacing.

However, the Titan lost contact with its mother ship without any other indications of a problem, suggesting whatever happened may have happened very quickly."

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/catastrophic-implosion-tangled-in-titanic-lost-at-sea-three-expert-theories-on-fate-of-missing-sub/ar-AA1cRmvO?li=BBr5MKc

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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

Np, in defense of that poor kid, I have a hard time saying no at 45 to my dad. This is not the kid's fault at all. He was still a child (IMO), and I totally understand the Father's Day angle. I feel the saddest for him.

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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

What makes you think the mother had any say in this matter? Different culture.

The mother is white/British. She's not a subservient Pakistani woman - and btw if you think Pakistani women are subservient with respect to their baby boys lol you don't know our culture. Mama always wins re her kids and esp her son at this age.

The culture issue may not be Pakistani vs European culture as much as billionaire culture. We don't know how this guy was - he actually wasn't a billionaire, "only" worth hundreds of millions. We don't know if this was a family where daddy was like you live this life because of MY money, MY empire, we'll do things MY way - and everyone went with it because of course they liked their rich lifestyle.

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^ Per Mirriam Webster, an explorer is: "a person who travels in search of geographical or scientific information"

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Anonymous wrote:The debris was found about 500 meters off the bow of the titanic.

so they didn’t even get to see it.

Isn't 500 meters pretty close? that's like less than a half a mile. but I guess in the darkness you wouldn't have seen it from that distance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Five men on missing Titanic sub confirmed dead after debris reveals ‘catastrophic implosion’
OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood, Hamish Harding, and Paul-Henri Nargeolet ‘have sadly been lost’"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/submarine-deaths-missing-titanic-oceangate-b2362578.html

See 27 pages ago

I apologize. I had no idea it was already posted. Thank you for letting me know.

Please don’t worry about it. That poster who mentioned 27 pages sounds grumpy and I guess they have lots of time to read all the pages.

Dp- what the PP posted was breaking news 4 hours ago. What do they think we’ve been discussed here for the past four hours? Actually find it quite rude when people just come and post information without reading what has already been posted. Can you imagine entering an in person conversation this way- bumbling in and interrupting conversation flow?

Presumably, that poster heard the “breaking news,” found it shocking, and posted here without knowing that even though it’s a breaking story, that particular tidbit had been known for a while. There was nothing rude about it.

PP here. Yes, I had only just heard the news. I'm not glued to social media, or TV. Again I apologize for my ignorance and reposting of a story that I had no idea had already been posted. I also apologize for upsetting so many people with my misdeeds and actions. I hope I can be forgiven for my "rudeness".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate

They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.

I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.

Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??

Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain the implosion?

If there was a crack somewhere or a material fatigue issue that let in a small bit of water does that mean that it'll compromise the rest of the structure so fast that it won't withstand the water pressure down there even with a tiny crack so it'll just collapse on itself? Or does it mean something entirely different?

And then can we assume that their bodies wouldn't withstand it either? Like there wouldn't be intact bodies to find? Someone asked that at the briefing and the CG really deferred re harsh conditions - was he trying to say there aren't bodies to retrieve?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate

They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.

I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.

Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??

Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.

Agree.

These men are heroes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain the implosion?

If there was a crack somewhere or a material fatigue issue that let in a small bit of water does that mean that it'll compromise the rest of the structure so fast that it won't withstand the water pressure down there even with a tiny crack so it'll just collapse on itself? Or does it mean something entirely different?

And then can we assume that their bodies wouldn't withstand it either? Like there wouldn't be intact bodies to find? Someone asked that at the briefing and the CG really deferred re harsh conditions - was he trying to say there aren't bodies to retrieve?

At that depth, an implosion would be as fast and violent as an explosion. Instantaneous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So per the kid's older sister, he didn't want to go on the sub and only did it bc it was Fathers Day/his father was Titanic obsessed (others had dropped out so seats opened up). Per his aunt - he was terrified of going and had expressed to other family members that he was terrified.

Wow. Learn to say no - even to mommy and daddy - folks. Or as I said before why on earth could mom not step in here and tell DH he was free to do what he wanted but her DS wasn't going esp since he was terrified!?

Np, in defense of that poor kid, I have a hard time saying no at 45 to my dad. This is not the kid's fault at all. He was still a child (IMO), and I totally understand the Father's Day angle. I feel the saddest for him.

I'm not blaming the kid - I mean what is blame gonna do, he paid the ultimate price. But wow this is why kids need to be raised to say no, even to mommy and daddy. Kids have judgment too and adults are quick to assume they know better - in this case the 19 year old knew better than his stupid father and paid the price for being a good son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans." -- Statement from Oceangate

They use the word explorers repeatedly. They were not all explorers - three of them were CUSTOMERS.

I'd like to know exactly what the "true explorers" did to protect the world's oceans - especially a 19 year old.

Does Oceangate really think we are all so gullible as to believe this??

Please! Respect the 48 hour rule if nothing else.

Agree.

These men are heroes.

Why?