FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Interesting article:

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/palace-coup-overthrows-great-falls-citizen-leaders/article_2f8cd99e-1bc7-411f-8290-4b4cfe98d097.html

Note that the dethroned GFCA officers look like they are at least in their 60s, which tells you this is about perceived threats to their property values, not education or what’s best for kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

+1000

What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

Forestville is a different issue -namely, whether it should continue to be bussed completely across the county to Langley when Herndon now has space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article:

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/palace-coup-overthrows-great-falls-citizen-leaders/article_2f8cd99e-1bc7-411f-8290-4b4cfe98d097.html

Note that the dethroned GFCA officers look like they are at least in their 60s, which tells you this is about perceived threats to their property values, not education or what’s best for kids.

Just maybe they care about their neighbors' kids. Have you considered that?

No. I live in a different area--not Herndon High or Langley.
My kids are grown and I don't want my neighborhood to move. Our community feels a great attachment to our school and we still support school activities, sports, etc.

If our neighborhood gets moved, it would necessarily be to a school that is farther away--not a poor performing school. Except for the uncertainty and attachment to our community school, I doubt it would affect property values.

It is sad that the PP does not understand the community issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would parents hate a school so much that they'd put their kids in private schools rather than have their kids attend a certain public school?

Is it the teachers? Are there really horrible teachers at those schools?

Is it that parents don't like the way a school looks? The classrooms look too old and shoddy?

Or is it the kids in the school itself? That you don't like those kids attending those schools?

Families have many reasons for wanting their kids in particular schools. Unsurprisingly, and without any basis whatsoever, you are attempting to spin this as an issue with those students. It’s not.

The only person attempting to foment racial strife or unfairly go after these kids is you, the boy who cries wolf.

There could be valid reasons for a student wanting to attend a certain school, such as a student receiving specific counseling or disability support at one school not provided at another.

But the primary reason, as outlined on page after page ad nauseam here, is that parents want their kids to go to schools within certain neighborhoods and with certain other students. And those "desirable" schools tend to be of higher wealth and lower Hispanic populations.

It's like the people who bend over in contortions to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery; no, no, it was about states rights, they'll say in a defensive tone. Great-great Grandpappy couldn't have fought for slavery.... Then dig a little deeper and the reason is revealed that it's states rights to own slaves....

No matter how much things are contorted with this boundary argument, it comes back to parents wanting to avoid schools represented by a population they view as undesirable. It's a very ugly look.

[Anonymous]

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

I don't live in Great Falls. But, aren't some of the Forestville homes closer to Langley and Cooper? So, wouldn't this make them travel further.

But, aside from that, it makes perfect sense to send Coates to Herndon.
1. It is much closer to Herndon than Westfield.
2. If Herndon really is going to be underenrolled, it would easily solve that problem.
3. It is also in Dranesville district so Robyn Lady could easily lobby for this. Why hasn't this been suggested?
4. It would also be more accessbile for the families that live there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article:

https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/palace-coup-overthrows-great-falls-citizen-leaders/article_2f8cd99e-1bc7-411f-8290-4b4cfe98d097.html

Note that the dethroned GFCA officers look like they are at least in their 60s, which tells you this is about perceived threats to their property values, not education or what’s best for kids.

Reid is in her 60s and no kids in FCPS so she doesn’t care what’s best for kids either then, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

+1000

What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

I am not advocating for more split feeders. The homes south of Route 7 could me moved to either Dranesville, Aldrin or Armstrong.

Also, why do you assume no people of color live in those neighborhoods? This is in regards to your comment, “So, who is the racist here?”. Fairfax is very diverse, as we all know, and people of all shades live all over the county. I feel you are assuming only certain types of people could afford those homes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would parents hate a school so much that they'd put their kids in private schools rather than have their kids attend a certain public school?

Is it the teachers? Are there really horrible teachers at those schools?

Is it that parents don't like the way a school looks? The classrooms look too old and shoddy?

Or is it the kids in the school itself? That you don't like those kids attending those schools?

Families have many reasons for wanting their kids in particular schools. Unsurprisingly, and without any basis whatsoever, you are attempting to spin this as an issue with those students. It’s not.

The only person attempting to foment racial strife or unfairly go after these kids is you, the boy who cries wolf.

There could be valid reasons for a student wanting to attend a certain school, such as a student receiving specific counseling or disability support at one school not provided at another.

But the primary reason, as outlined on page after page ad nauseam here, is that parents want their kids to go to schools within certain neighborhoods and with certain other students. And those "desirable" schools tend to be of higher wealth and lower Hispanic populations.

It's like the people who bend over in contortions to claim that the Civil War wasn't about slavery; no, no, it was about states rights, they'll say in a defensive tone. Great-great Grandpappy couldn't have fought for slavery.... Then dig a little deeper and the reason is revealed that it's states rights to own slaves....

No matter how much things are contorted with this boundary argument, it comes back to parents wanting to avoid schools represented by a population they view as undesirable. It's a very ugly look.

GD. You really need to learn the difference between causation vs. correlation. The ignorance is causing you to jump to wildly wrong conclusions.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

+1000

What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

Forestville is a different issue -namely, whether it should continue to be bussed completely across the county to Langley when Herndon now has space.

Your a broken record on your last paragraph had been directly refuted, even discussed today. I know you are trying to will that narrative into existence, but it’s wholly without merit and is just meant as a pretext to justifying your “racism” viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

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This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

I don't live in Great Falls. But, aren't some of the Forestville homes closer to Langley and Cooper? So, wouldn't this make them travel further.

But, aside from that, it makes perfect sense to send Coates to Herndon.
1. It is much closer to Herndon than Westfield.
2. If Herndon really is going to be underenrolled, it would easily solve that problem.
3. It is also in Dranesville district so Robyn Lady could easily lobby for this. Why hasn't this been suggested?
4. It would also be more accessbile for the families that live there.

There are few, if any, homes zoned to Forestville closer to Langley than Herndon.

Moving Forestville to Herndon or reassigning parts of Forestville to other Herndon feeders and then to the Herndon pyramid would also take advantage of the extra capacity at Herndon.

Maybe Lady wants to wait for the BRAC recommendations or doesn’t want to further concentrate poverty at Herndon, which is what moving the rest of Coates there would do.

If you want to talk about accessibility, Coates is about 3 miles closer to Westfield than Forestville is to Langley, and Forestville is about 6.5 miles closer to Herndon than it is to Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

+1000

What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

Forestville is a different issue -namely, whether it should continue to be bussed completely across the county to Langley when Herndon now has space.

Your a broken record on your last paragraph had been directly refuted, even discussed today. I know you are trying to will that narrative into existence, but it’s wholly without merit and is just meant as a pretext to justifying your “racism” viewpoint.

Your problem is that, with Herndon HS now expanded, the case for moving part of Great Falls back to Herndon to shorten transportation times and distances is clear. You can’t refute that, so you just throw a lot of spaghetti against a wall hoping something will stick.

Hopefully Robyn Lady is not going to allow herself to be intimidated by your crowd. This notion that one privileged community always gets an exemption from boundary studies while others are not is deeply offensive and inconsistent with One Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

+1000

What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

Forestville is a different issue -namely, whether it should continue to be bussed completely across the county to Langley when Herndon now has space.

Your a broken record on your last paragraph had been directly refuted, even discussed today. I know you are trying to will that narrative into existence, but it’s wholly without merit and is just meant as a pretext to justifying your “racism” viewpoint.

Your problem is that, with Herndon HS now expanded, the case for moving part of Great Falls back to Herndon to shorten transportation times and distances is clear. You can’t refute that, so you just throw a lot of spaghetti against a wall hoping something will stick.

Hopefully Robyn Lady is not going to allow herself to be intimidated by your crowd. This notion that one privileged community always gets an exemption from boundary studies while others are not is deeply offensive and inconsistent with One Fairfax.

Yeah, it always ends up well when elected officials ignore their constituents. 🤡

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This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

I don't live in Great Falls. But, aren't some of the Forestville homes closer to Langley and Cooper? So, wouldn't this make them travel further.

But, aside from that, it makes perfect sense to send Coates to Herndon.
1. It is much closer to Herndon than Westfield.
2. If Herndon really is going to be underenrolled, it would easily solve that problem.
3. It is also in Dranesville district so Robyn Lady could easily lobby for this. Why hasn't this been suggested?
4. It would also be more accessbile for the families that live there.

There are few, if any, homes zoned to Forestville closer to Langley than Herndon.

Moving Forestville to Herndon or reassigning parts of Forestville to other Herndon feeders and then to the Herndon pyramid would also take advantage of the extra capacity at Herndon.

Maybe Lady wants to wait for the BRAC recommendations or doesn’t want to further concentrate poverty at Herndon, which is what moving the rest of Coates there would do.

If you want to talk about accessibility, Coates is about 3 miles closer to Westfield than Forestville is to Langley, and Forestville is about 6.5 miles closer to Herndon than it is to Langley.

Another day, another BS attempt by you to claim a 2 minute difference in commute time should justify F’ing over Fairfax kids. So dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand residents not wanting to change school districts. However, if your house is in the periphery of any PUBLIC school district, there will always be a chance they will get moved, for any variety of reasons. Our house is walking distance to the high school we chose for our kids for our kids to attend.

But when the school board decides to change the rules of the game and the implicit agreement with UMC that their kids won’t be moved absent compelling reason (which doesn’t exist here) in exchange for UMC support for public schools, it creates real risk for the entire school system. At this point UMC is the only segment of the population that really is going to stand up for public school - that’s why this whole exercise is uber-dangerous.

I’ve been on DCUM long enough to know that most people arguing for boundary changes do so out of spite for neighbors that they perceive as richer. There are the posters that claim that anyone against moving their kids must be in the level of the KKK. These posters seek to cut off their nose to spite their face.

You know who you are.

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What?? Most are arguing for a comprehensive study. Conspiracy theorists against change are arguing against that. Everyone knows there are changes to be made, most easily around reducing commuting time. Knowledge is power you all are off your rockers, the data will show what you don't want to happen (which really solidifies it's factual), or it will play out less drastic. Either way let the options be presented before you jump to conclusions.

+1000. No one should be getting bussed over 8 miles to a school if there is a closer option with space.

How many times are you going to repeat this? The SB doesn’t care about transportation efficiency. This is proven with AAP centers. We are walkers to a level 4 elementary school. But if we wanted we could be bused the center school out of pyramid 10+ minutes away. How is that efficient with resources? Centers are redundant when level 4 is already in almost every elementary school. And since you want to just keep repeating miles the distance for most from western great falls to cooper versus Herndon middle is 2 minutes further. And for the high school 9 minutes. You’re not saving drivers/buses on the road. You’re just switching which direction they go. And the time piece is minimal. Also while they way overbuilt HHS and now have empty seats almost 300 kids pupil place out so the extra capacity isn’t that much if you bring them back, and there isn’t the capacity at the middle school. Especially if you bring kids back to base schools. And get rid of AAP centers in middle. Herndon kids go to Hughes for AAP middle. There is a disparity between middle school capacity versus high school.

She says it because that’s all she’s got. It’s just obvious to anyone with Google maps that the argument doesn’t pass muster under any metric. (Don’t take my word for it, check it out yourselves!)

The extra time from Forestville to Cooper instead of HMS is quite literally two minutes. There are people in the community who would see a longer commute to HMS.

The commute to Langley vs HHS is slightly longer, but not by much. It’s on average about 9.8 minutes longer from Forestville (at the time the bus rolls through the neighborhood). The 8-mile poster wants people to look at that figure and gasp at how far eight miles is, but in reality there are de minimus time savings and zero transportation savings to be gleaned from a Forestville change.

Now, as you say, getting rid of AAP centers is a different story. I don’t feel strongly about going that route, but since certain school members clamor about transportation savings, this clearly must be considered.

Yet, most of the homes that feed into Forestville are further west, and many are much closer to the Herndon schools. All those homes south of Route 7 with Herndon zip codes are suspiciously zoned for Langley, Forestville or Cooper. You cannot use the school to school proximity so support your claim. People don’t live in schools.

This is true. But, what is also true is that you are suggesting is that we create more split feeders.

It seems to me that the people pushing this are the people who want other kids in their schools. So, who is the racist here?

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago that was really, really vocal about getting GF into Herndon. When she got shut down on that, she turned to the Oak Hill section of Herndon--and was demanding Floris be sent to Herndon. Then, at some point. all Oak Hill students attend Herndon High because Herndon is their communitiy. She may have been the same person who posted on this thread recently saying that Floris is in the middle of Herndon (absolutely false statement.)

If this were really about transportation, the SB and Robyn Lady would be pushing to put Coates into Herndon High. Coates is pretty crowded now and that would settle the issue. Simply and completely. It is a hop skip and jump from Herndon Middle and much, much closer than Forestville.. Also, with all the new construction, it should become more affluent over the next years.

This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

Forestville is a different issue -namely, whether it should continue to be bussed completely across the county to Langley when Herndon now has space.

Your a broken record on your last paragraph had been directly refuted, even discussed today. I know you are trying to will that narrative into existence, but it’s wholly without merit and is just meant as a pretext to justifying your “racism” viewpoint.

Your problem is that, with Herndon HS now expanded, the case for moving part of Great Falls back to Herndon to shorten transportation times and distances is clear. You can’t refute that, so you just throw a lot of spaghetti against a wall hoping something will stick.

Hopefully Robyn Lady is not going to allow herself to be intimidated by your crowd. This notion that one privileged community always gets an exemption from boundary studies while others are not is deeply offensive and inconsistent with One Fairfax.

Yeah, it always ends up well when elected officials ignore their constituents. 🤡

She has lots of constituents.

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This post makes no sense. PP wasn’t calling for the creation of split feeders and the solution to overcrowding at Coates is to move some kids into other elementary schools, not to reassign all of Coates to Herndon High.

I don't live in Great Falls. But, aren't some of the Forestville homes closer to Langley and Cooper? So, wouldn't this make them travel further.

But, aside from that, it makes perfect sense to send Coates to Herndon.
1. It is much closer to Herndon than Westfield.
2. If Herndon really is going to be underenrolled, it would easily solve that problem.
3. It is also in Dranesville district so Robyn Lady could easily lobby for this. Why hasn't this been suggested?
4. It would also be more accessbile for the families that live there.

There are few, if any, homes zoned to Forestville closer to Langley than Herndon.

Moving Forestville to Herndon or reassigning parts of Forestville to other Herndon feeders and then to the Herndon pyramid would also take advantage of the extra capacity at Herndon.

Maybe Lady wants to wait for the BRAC recommendations or doesn’t want to further concentrate poverty at Herndon, which is what moving the rest of Coates there would do.

If you want to talk about accessibility, Coates is about 3 miles closer to Westfield than Forestville is to Langley, and Forestville is about 6.5 miles closer to Herndon than it is to Langley.

Another day, another BS attempt by you to claim a 2 minute difference in commute time should justify F’ing over Fairfax kids. So dumb.

Fake stats and hyperbole over kids being “F’ed” if sent to a closer FCPS school isn’t a good look.