Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.

Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.

Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.

Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.

You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.

You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.

Oh they could do-exist is Israel was a secular country. Israel must drop the Jew state.

That’s absurd. Palestinians want an Islamic state, so you dear, are a hypocrite.

No they dont- Arabs have argued from the very beginning in 1948 that they want a single secular state. Basically what they want is what they would've gotten if they hadn't sided with the British against the Turks. a single, secular state which is what Turkey was before Erdogan, and he totally used the Israeli treatment of Palestinians to destroy Turkish secularism. Iran was also a secular democracy and the USA, UK , with Israel's help destroyed that. Pakistan was also a secular state, the USA sided with the Islamists and helped declare it an Islamic republic in the late 1970s. this happened all over the muslim world- the United States sided with islamists and religious extremists and pumped money and arms their way and CIA/Mossad assassinated liberal secular leaders all over Asia and Africa in muslim majority countries bc they thought secularists were communist friendly when really they wanted a Swedish style socialism. The Saudis and their pernicious extremist ISlam is also a by product of the UK and US money and interference in teh region and they control both oil wealth and the Kaaba, leaving very little room for Muslims to maneuver and live free lives especially since the US has brutally repressed their ability to do so by arming their oppressors. So many Arab christians have fled from the region, this bleeding of minority faiths happened b/c of US $$$ and arms pumped into the Muslim world in the 1960s and 70s.

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Anonymous wrote:So you have 1 group, known terrorist group. Kills 1200. Commits war crimes. Kills babies. Rapes women.

And you have another group, moralist army. Kills 25,000. Commits war crimes. Kills babies. Shoots their own hostages and survivors sheltering in churches.

Pretty bad when the terrorists somehow sound more reasonable.

But of course they don’t. There’s a good side in this war and, sorry, Hamas ain’t it.

The "good side" is the one that killed 20x more people, including their own hostages, and used snipers to kill women and children hiding in churches?

There are no "good sides" in this war. There are terrorists and murderers. On both sides. There are war crimes/criminals. On both sides. That what the sides are here.

True believers will never be capable of seeing the truth in this. If Bibi and the ghosts of Begin and Meir arrived on their doorstep and signed a joint declaration outlining the countless atrocities committed by Zionists in the name of Israel over the past 75+ years, they would claim it was Arab trickery and shout down anyone trying to discuss it, and shove aside anyone trying to glance down and read it.

Yes, theyd really rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend everyone else is antisemitic and that palestinian children are worth less than dogs. Whatever they can so they can sleep at night while their "good side" is out on another blood thirsty rampage.

I cant believe I'm not seeing more people (anyone??) on the pro-israel side speaking out against the murder of their own hostages or the church sniper murdering innocent sheltering women. Like how brainwashed do you have to be to still be OK with "your side" killing these people and still supporting them?

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The silence from Israel supporters about the IDF killing Israelis is deafening. They complain that womens groups from other countries don't make a bigger deal about rapes by Hamas (why should they?), but they say nothing about the IDF.

It isn't just the killing of the hostages they were meant to be saving. They intentionally shot and killed shirtless people waving white flags. That's really really bad.

I wonder what happened to all those men in their underwear? Bet they were taken somewhere and killed. Seems like the MO of the IDF.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.

Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.

Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.

Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.

You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.

You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.

Oh they could do-exist is Israel was a secular country. Israel must drop the Jew state.

That’s absurd. Palestinians want an Islamic state, so you dear, are a hypocrite.

So? Gulf monarchies are Islamic states, and Israel is chomping at the bit to normalize relations with them. I guess the right to have an Islamic state is just like the right of self defense - available only to the right people?

Dude. That's what normalizing relations means. It means now I trust you to stop trying to kill me all the time, so we can live peacefully and have trade that benefits us both. It means both sides give up something - trying to kill you, encouraging others not to have normalized relations with you - because that way we both get something.

Do you expect Hamas to enjoy normalized relations with the people they just slaughtered en masse?

You people are just such dumb idiots when it comes to understanding how compromise and negotiation works. Ceasefire, you screech, so we can kill you! You're so BAD for not letting us just kill you some more!

I am one who never says "you people", but the individuals who think along these lines think they are so clever and that their words have power. They call for ceasefire beacuse of "the children", and they really think that the rest of us do not know and understand that the violence will continue after a ceasefile.

You don't think Israel's military and intelligence is enough to stand up to 100 terrorists who breach a wall?

If it were any other weekend, yea but that weekend was a Jewish holiday and the settlers go to the West Bank en masse for some three day pilgrimage so the IDF was largely assigned there for a few days (Oct 4-7) to protect the settlers from themselves . Things got out of hand on Day 1 of the pilgrimage on Oct 4th so more IDF had to come .

Whoever planned it in Hamas had to know lots about the West Bank and this holiday and that the IDF would would be lighter on the Gaza border during that weekend because of settler security duty would be done but they probably didn’t predict that so much IDF would be sent to West Bank. They lucked out because the settlers went extra hard with the squabbles this year

Yeah but whatever the explanation, it was a spectacular failure of Netanyahu's government.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Meanwhile, Hamas is still bombing Israel, too, and I have yet to hear a peep about it from you Hamas lovers

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-second-class-citizens-living-in-hamas-most-targeted-israeli-city/0000018c-86bb-d60e-afdf-e6bfb7b70000

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Looks like Israel wants to expand the US-Israel war against the Palestinians. When Lloyd Austin visited Israel to plead with Netanyahu to stop killing civilians and destroying infrastructure, Netanyahu told him the US will start planning for operations against Hezbollah.

Israel wants to push Hezbollah back from its borders 30-50 miles. Naturally Israel will set up settlements in this new land. Win win for Israel- more land and the US doing all the fighting!

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Meanwhile, Hamas is still bombing Israel, too, and I have yet to hear a peep about it from you Hamas lovers

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-second-class-citizens-living-in-hamas-most-targeted-israeli-city/0000018c-86bb-d60e-afdf-e6bfb7b70000

Can’t hear your. Maybe stand on the 20,000 plus bodies in the women and children you killed.

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Anonymous wrote:Another woman was found dead today. Murdered by Hamas.

Very few twenty-something women were released in the latest hostage swap.

All you pro-Hamas posters are just misogynist pigs. What is wrong with you?

Agree that is horrific. IDF killed an average of 1000 children/week for the last two months. All you pro-IDF posters are just child murderers. What is wrong with you?

You're ridiculous.

Just pointing out that two can play this game. It's stupid to accuse those of us who are horrified by the IDF's rapid killing of thousands of children as pro-Hamas. Yes, the rape and murder of women in war is terrible. But it's utterly disingenuous when a pro-Israeli poster claims horror for the rapes of women but shows little sympathy, or even tries to justify, the slaughter of thousands of children. The IDF, one of the best, most advanced militaries in the world, deliberately chose to use dumb bombs in extremely dense urban areas. They killed babies in NICUs and families seeking refuge in churches rather than chose a military strategy that would be more precise.

You're right about Israel's conduct--I think that they've made some terrible strategic/tactical decisions. But there are also limits to exactly how "precise" a military campaign can be.

But you're also being disingenuous (or perhaps are legitimately unaware?) about exactly who's opposing Israel and their motives.

For example, are you aware that polling shows that 57% of American Muslims think Hamas was at least " somewhat justified" on 10/7?

Wanna guess what polling of Palestinians shows WRT the existence of Israel, violence vs. nonviolence, etc.?

You don't understand the audience. To you, the Existence of Israel as a Jewish State is a sacred cow, and everything and everyone must bow to it. To you, the original expulsions of 1947-48, the oppression, the unequal rights, the land grab, the settlement expansion, the imprisonment, the stripping of civil rights, the unrestrained killing by IDF are all unfortunate but minor events that must be discounted because Existence of Israel. Well guess what, American Muslims don't see it that way and Palestinians DEFINITELY don't see it that way. They don't agree with wholesale dismissal of what happened to them as "unfortunate but whatever". They don't agree it is a minor thing. They may not all agree that violence is entirely unjustified in response to oppression. And they don't see why they should just stop caring about what happened and what is happening to them today because Existence of Israel.

Your alliances and sympathies are with Israel because you understand them and feel closer to them. They don't. Okay.

This is very well-stated. I admit I fell into the "Existence of Israel" faction for much of my life. It was just the default view, so part of it was laziness. I thought if I didn't think that way, I might be considered antisemitic, so part of it was cowardice. I knew very little about the Palestinian experience or the history of the region, so part of it was ignorance. I felt Jews deserved compensation for the Holocaust, so part of it was misguided compassion that overlooked the rights of indigenous Palestinians. However, it's become increasingly difficult to ignore Israel's outrageous behavior and its appalling crimes against humanity. For me, it began with discomfort over settler violence in the West Bank. As I've delved further, my stance has shifted radically. Israel was built on terrorism and a fundamentalist interpretation of ancient texts that are almost certainly not historically valid and are not legally binding. Israel is currently a cynical, manipulative, and racist state that, unfortunately, has far too much in common with Nazi Germany. Like Nazi Germany, it is a technically advanced power that is determined to remove or exterminate people it finds "inferior" and inconvenient. Israel has become morally abhorrent and opposes 21st-century values of inclusion. I would prefer a Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. to Hamas, but terrorism has historically always been part of overthrowing colonialism. It is absolutely beyond the pale that the United States is propping up this fascist state and forcing its citizens to subsidize genocide.

Or, israel is a sovereign state with a very right wing government (a fact I agree is regrettable), living next door to radical jihadists. Hamas is not your friendly neighborhood victim.

Your views have indeed shifted and are quite radical.

Also, regarding your flawed comparison to Nazi germany, Germany did not cease to exist, as you seem to imply Israel should, after the end of the third Reich.

You've extended my analogy with Nazi Germany to post-Nazi Germany. The real question is whether pre-1948 Palestine should cease to exist, as you seem to imply it should. Zionists ethnically cleansed the area of Palestinians and, in some cases, massacred them (e.g., the Tantura massacre). Only Russia did some of that to Germany after it lost WW2. In what is now Israel, Palestinians had lived for generations on land that was later acquired by rich settlers from the U.S. So we should really be looking at whether lands conquered by the Nazis should remain under German control after WW2. IMO, Poland should no more have remained part of the Reich than Israel should remain part of Palestine.

You are ignoring the many native Israelis in Israel and their ancestral ties to the land. And you are glossing over the mass sale of land from Palestinians to Jewish people in the 1800 and 1900s- those Palestinians essentially sold their birthright. What is obvious to me is that there are two native peoples inhabiting the same land and the practical solution to the dispute would be a two state solution, since they largely cannot peacefully co-exist.

Oh they could do-exist is Israel was a secular country. Israel must drop the Jew state.

That’s absurd. Palestinians want an Islamic state, so you dear, are a hypocrite.

So? Gulf monarchies are Islamic states, and Israel is chomping at the bit to normalize relations with them. I guess the right to have an Islamic state is just like the right of self defense - available only to the right people?

Dude. That's what normalizing relations means. It means now I trust you to stop trying to kill me all the time, so we can live peacefully and have trade that benefits us both. It means both sides give up something - trying to kill you, encouraging others not to have normalized relations with you - because that way we both get something.

Do you expect Hamas to enjoy normalized relations with the people they just slaughtered en masse?

You people are just such dumb idiots when it comes to understanding how compromise and negotiation works. Ceasefire, you screech, so we can kill you! You're so BAD for not letting us just kill you some more!

I am one who never says "you people", but the individuals who think along these lines think they are so clever and that their words have power. They call for ceasefire beacuse of "the children", and they really think that the rest of us do not know and understand that the violence will continue after a ceasefile.

Aw, “feelings” person who thinks the U.S. will never, ever reevaluate its relationship with Israel!

DP.

I’d LOVE for someone to explain why it’s in our national interest to reevaluate our relationship with Israel.

I see no upside at all.

We’d lose intelligence, the region’s most effective military (and only one with nuclear capability), and a counterbalance to Iran.

Not only would we lose these advantages, but Israel would undoubtedly respond by seeking a new patron—either Russia or China.

Bad for us all around.

And for what advantage? No material gain with ME govts (they DGAF), no new allies, no new intelligence, and an unconstrained Iran.

I don’t see any argument that another course is better for the US.

I think that bolded part is true and important. The Israel of today is a lot more pro-Russia than the Israel of our childhood. I wouldn't doubt for a second this government's willingness to "switch sides". That would be an absolute catastrophe for the US because they have all of our top technology.

Oh, please. Here we go again with the “you can’t leave me or I’ll kill both of us” justification for sticking with a psycho ex. Catastrophe? How? The people running Israel are already ethnically Russian and Ukrainian. If they had a realistic option to switch (they don’t) and maintain their quality of life and military advantage, they would have already done so.

Our tech. is refreshed daily. Israel is already sitting on tech from 10 years ago. It’s better than anyone else has, by far, but it certainly isn’t what the U.S. is working on today, last week, last month, or even last year.

If the U.S. pivoted and turned the welfare hose on any other country in the region, why would a Russian alliance with Israel be cause for worry? We’d be in the exact same situation. You apparently think Israel is uniquely qualified to be the partner of choice in the region, but really it could be anyone. Any of those countries would kill to be on U.S. welfare and under U.S. protection.

And good luck spying on and refusing to do as little as authorizing an air corridor during conflict for your new patron Mother Russia.

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Did someone say "patron Mother Russia"? How do you not know that Mother Russia is literally the patron of the whole Arab world and historically responsible for anti-Israel rhetoric that continues to infect the developing world and its preciously self-righteous white champions today?
Let's not talk about who is really in bed with Russia, FFS!

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So no right of self-defense in the West Bank then?

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself.

Meanwhile, Hamas is still bombing Israel, too, and I have yet to hear a peep about it from you Hamas lovers

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-20/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-second-class-citizens-living-in-hamas-most-targeted-israeli-city/0000018c-86bb-d60e-afdf-e6bfb7b70000

From the article, the Israeli government isn't even supporting its own cities? Why should we have to support them if Israel won't? Sounds like the Israeli government are Hamas lovers, too.

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So no right of self-defense in the West Bank then?

I think what you are seeing is that the "innocent civilians" we hear so much about don't really exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting people.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag operation by Israel supporters made to stir up anger against Hamas and keep the money and weapons flowing in to Israel.

Nice try.
This is very much the MO of the anti-Israel protesters.

Or Israel supporters mimicking anti-Israel protestors in order to make it look like it came from them. We don't know for sure, but it's certainly plausible.