ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

What does college soccer has anything to do with BY vs SY ??

College sports has no age limit/cutoff, only has years of eligibility, usually 4 years within a 5 year window.

There are some 25 year old freshman out there just starting college soccer, and will use up their eligibility before turning 30.

Right! You go to college according to your school year. Not sure why if this happens people think it will make BY the path forward. Pretty funny

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What does college soccer has anything to do with BY vs SY ??

College sports has no age limit/cutoff, only has years of eligibility, usually 4 years within a 5 year window.

There are some 25 year old freshman out there just starting college soccer, and will use up their eligibility before turning 30.

Right! You go to college according to your school year. Not sure why if this happens people think it will make BY the path forward. Pretty funny

Grad year…not age. Hence why SY and BY have neither had a change on recruiting.

You posted this like 5 pages back.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

Crickets…

It wasn’t crickets. Someone asked a responsive question, which has gotten no response.

Most people are emotionally attached to SY / BY for emotional and personal reasons. At the end of the day in aggregate, the age cutoff DOESN'T MATTER. And it won’t matter that you have two leagues with different cutoffs.

Why are your scrounging this thread then if it doesn’t matter?

This is 100% this most active thread in this sub. And it’s also highly entertaining and enjoyable.

Sure…

🙄 so then why are you?

It’s a dumb question, I gave you a real answer, but you’re trolling around like some Grecian gadfly. Soccer-dad-Socrates…please, sit down, and explain to us wise sage…

This dude is a BY truther and MLSN nut hugger all the way

[Anonymous]

Fair enough, you go to college according to your grad year which aligns more with your SY. My comment remains the same, why does this possibility get people excited that BY is the way to go if this change actually happens in College sports?

[Anonymous]

No league, not even MLSN, will be BY in the next 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Thanks for responding as I didn't have time earlier when I read that! Just to inform others, they absolutely do not pull from the same sources which is exactly why the app is far better than GotSoccer. Gotsoccer only pulls from events on their own platform and gives out points based on poorly defined tiers (championship/platnum/gold/etc). GotSoccer also heavily rewards just playing more events (hence the paying comment) vs quality.

Rankings app is just pure w/l with SOS adjustments as pointed out before - https://usasportstatistics.net/ They also do a much better job of capturing all the results vs. just what is on GotSoccer.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

So you're the same poster with the completely false post earlier about GotSoccer? Do yourself a favor and sit this out.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Thanks for responding as I didn't have time earlier when I read that! Just to inform others, they absolutely do not pull from the same sources which is exactly why the app is far better than GotSoccer. Gotsoccer only pulls from events on their own platform and gives out points based on poorly defined tiers (championship/platnum/gold/etc). GotSoccer also heavily rewards just playing more events (hence the paying comment) vs quality.

Rankings app is just pure w/l with SOS adjustments as pointed out before - https://usasportstatistics.net/ They also do a much better job of capturing all the results vs. just what is on GotSoccer.

They do pull from the same data.

You’re clearly a parent and have no backend knowledge.

GotSports’ ranking pull is incomplete, so is USA ranking. And you can quibble with their tiering and incentives. (Protip, playing more, more matches, improves ranking accuracy…hence why it tends to reward teams for quantity)

Soccer app attempts to pull a more complete set from the same sources. And places more weight on quality of opponent, sort of a bastardized ELO system.

None of them are very good. But the obsession over soccer ranking app is absurd. As PP stated, it is marginally better.

Ranking soccer teams is actually really really hard. There are too many variables at play that make no one to one match especially meaningful from an analytics perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

Rankings app is far superior to GotSport or USA Rank and pulls in afar larger number of games/teams,etc. Doe sit have flaws and biases yes. But any system would. If you want to debate who is Topo 10 vs Top 20 there isn't much difference and Rankings app or anything really isn't going to tell you that until they all play each other. But if my DD team goes to a showcase or tournament with teams from multiple states, the Rankings app will do a very good job of telling who the teams you are playing compare to your child's team, and which will be the toughest competition.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Thanks for responding as I didn't have time earlier when I read that! Just to inform others, they absolutely do not pull from the same sources which is exactly why the app is far better than GotSoccer. Gotsoccer only pulls from events on their own platform and gives out points based on poorly defined tiers (championship/platnum/gold/etc). GotSoccer also heavily rewards just playing more events (hence the paying comment) vs quality.

Rankings app is just pure w/l with SOS adjustments as pointed out before - https://usasportstatistics.net/ They also do a much better job of capturing all the results vs. just what is on GotSoccer.

They do pull from the same data.

You’re clearly a parent and have no backend knowledge.

GotSports’ ranking pull is incomplete, so is USA ranking. And you can quibble with their tiering and incentives. (Protip, playing more, more matches, improves ranking accuracy…hence why it tends to reward teams for quantity)

Soccer app attempts to pull a more complete set from the same sources. And places more weight on quality of opponent, sort of a bastardized ELO system.

None of them are very good. But the obsession over soccer ranking app is absurd. As PP stated, it is marginally better.

Ranking soccer teams is actually really really hard. There are too many variables at play that make no one to one match especially meaningful from an analytics perspective.

Sure, but your first statement is patently false. Gotsoccer includes 0 from GA/ECNL league/tournament play so it's essentially useless.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Spit my coffee out on this one. Ranking app is garbage. And it’s not data analytics

Rankings app is far superior to GotSport or USA Rank and pulls in afar larger number of games/teams,etc. Doe sit have flaws and biases yes. But any system would. If you want to debate who is Topo 10 vs Top 20 there isn't much difference and Rankings app or anything really isn't going to tell you that until they all play each other. But if my DD team goes to a showcase or tournament with teams from multiple states, the Rankings app will do a very good job of telling who the teams you are playing compare to your child's team, and which will be the toughest competition.

“Far Superior” = makes me feel good.

Good for you.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Thanks for responding as I didn't have time earlier when I read that! Just to inform others, they absolutely do not pull from the same sources which is exactly why the app is far better than GotSoccer. Gotsoccer only pulls from events on their own platform and gives out points based on poorly defined tiers (championship/platnum/gold/etc). GotSoccer also heavily rewards just playing more events (hence the paying comment) vs quality.

Rankings app is just pure w/l with SOS adjustments as pointed out before - https://usasportstatistics.net/ They also do a much better job of capturing all the results vs. just what is on GotSoccer.

They do pull from the same data.

You’re clearly a parent and have no backend knowledge.

GotSports’ ranking pull is incomplete, so is USA ranking. And you can quibble with their tiering and incentives. (Protip, playing more, more matches, improves ranking accuracy…hence why it tends to reward teams for quantity)

Soccer app attempts to pull a more complete set from the same sources. And places more weight on quality of opponent, sort of a bastardized ELO system.

None of them are very good. But the obsession over soccer ranking app is absurd. As PP stated, it is marginally better.

Ranking soccer teams is actually really really hard. There are too many variables at play that make no one to one match especially meaningful from an analytics perspective.

Also not bastardized ELO system. It's straight up ELO and it's very accurate as someone with multiple kids playing in very different leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:All this begs the question, is staying BY for MLSN/GA worth all the trouble and potential downsides?

What potential downsides? 🤣

No downsides if they just pull a DA and close up shop without warning.

DA didnt really "close up shop without warning". At least on the girls side everyone knew free soccer doesnt work if someone or some kind of action wasnt footing the bill. US Soccer wanted out and MLS wanted in. Which is why MLS Next exists today as a direct replacement of boys DA. Girls DA is a little more complicated because it never should have existed in the first place. Im sure US Soccer approached NWSL to take the girls side over and they simply said no. Which is when a bunch of clubs went back to ECNL and everyone else grouped together and created GA. If you read through the early GA documentation the intent was always to have NWSL take over GA and create Acadamies just like MLS did with the boys. When this didn't happen GA pivoted and copied ECNL. From a business perspective ECNL could have had it all if they would have just let all the DA clubs in. But they chose to only let certain clubs in. And now GA exists as their biggest competitor.

What i like about today vs 5 years ago is that because of the ranking app ECNLs mistake of only letting certain clubs in when DA blew up is easy to see. Before the ranking app there were ranking sites that were literally pay to play marketing and they'd print whatever they were paid to say. This still exists but nobody cares anymore if what's being written doesnt sync with the ranking app its garbage. I cant stress how bad it was when recruiters would contact clubs based on articles written by websites that were 100% paid for by leagues.

I see this same type of thing happening for players with stats as AI becomes better able to identify skills. As an example right now with forwards its easy to see who can finish. But, how do you identify mids and defenders? Eventually this will all be assessed by AI and coaches/docs will lose their power to pick favorites.

The rankings app is awful. It is MARGINALLY better than GotSport / USARank.

Give me a break.

Before the ranking app who was the best club was determined by who paid which site the most $$$.

For better or worse the ranking app provides a consistent and cearly defined way to rank teams. That isnt influenced by $$$.

You didn’t really respond to the PP. 🧐

You just made an unsubstantiated loosely related secondary claim about paying for rankings. Neither GotSport, nor USARank are paid rankings…so where is this coming from?

Soccer Rankings app is about as accurate as GotSport and USARank, none are very good, and they all pull from the same data sources.

Anyone that puts GotSport or USA rank in the same galaxy as soccer rankings knows absolutely nothing about data analytics.

Only saving grace is that it is Monday morning so they are back at their job at the CBO😂

Thanks for responding as I didn't have time earlier when I read that! Just to inform others, they absolutely do not pull from the same sources which is exactly why the app is far better than GotSoccer. Gotsoccer only pulls from events on their own platform and gives out points based on poorly defined tiers (championship/platnum/gold/etc). GotSoccer also heavily rewards just playing more events (hence the paying comment) vs quality.

Rankings app is just pure w/l with SOS adjustments as pointed out before - https://usasportstatistics.net/ They also do a much better job of capturing all the results vs. just what is on GotSoccer.

They do pull from the same data.

You’re clearly a parent and have no backend knowledge.

GotSports’ ranking pull is incomplete, so is USA ranking. And you can quibble with their tiering and incentives. (Protip, playing more, more matches, improves ranking accuracy…hence why it tends to reward teams for quantity)

Soccer app attempts to pull a more complete set from the same sources. And places more weight on quality of opponent, sort of a bastardized ELO system.

None of them are very good. But the obsession over soccer ranking app is absurd. As PP stated, it is marginally better.

Ranking soccer teams is actually really really hard. There are too many variables at play that make no one to one match especially meaningful from an analytics perspective.

Sure, but your first statement is patently false. Gotsoccer includes 0 from GA/ECNL league/tournament play so it's essentially useless.

It’s not false. It pulls an incomplete dataset. Exactly what I said. You don’t need to like GotSport. I don’t. My pony point is that soccer ranking sucks too, but sucks less is fair.