War with Iran

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Anonymous wrote:As parts of the Trump support base start to mimic Democrats in their antipathy toward Israel, US foreign policy in the post-Trump era will be interesting to watch.

What post Trump era? They want a third term of trump. They say they want democracy in Iran. They don’t even want democracy here

And they too aren’t a democracy. Netanyahu’s been PM for a total of 20 plus years

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like the US is junior “partner” in this. I bet the US military is taking orders from the IDF. It only makes sense.

Not a junior partner. The US is the big dumb guy who shows up as the 'heavy' not knowing they are the patsy in all of this.

Marco Rubio said that Israel was going to strike no matter what leaving the US no alternative.

There is no daylight between our negotiator— Kushner—and the Israelis.

According to the Haaretz today, those close around Netanyahu said he chose to strike for political reasons. He is up for election and his polls are looking bad.

Why our President does what Netanyahu says is curious unless you realize he os 100% compromised by them. And it must be something terrible.

Netanyahu have the unredacted Epstein documents and Trump's photos and name is throughout. He has to bow to Netanyahu's will.

Tell me what you think could be in those files that would change one maga voters mind on Trump? I can not think of anything that would do that. Nothing.

Trump could be on To Catch a Predator and maga would rally to him.

You're probably right. The only thing that might change his mind is if there is a photograph of Trump doing to Ivanka what he told Stern what he wanted to do. That might be the only thing.

The party of raping children? They'd masturbate to that picture.

It's getting more and more desperate.

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Anonymous wrote:That is the key, putting in meaningful ethics and other laws that will actually be upheld.

We have all sorts of laws that the administration and various republicans are breaking and there is no accountability for it.

(not saying dems don't break laws, but generally speaking, the dems police their own, see franken, al)

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the Dems pushed out Franken on a ridiculous pretense wasn't "policing their own" ethics, but was pushing out an independent progressive who wasn't beholden to their donors?

This is more applicable to Sanders, Warren, and AOC than it is to Franken. I suppose MTG and Cheney and a few other Republicans are in the same boat.

Franken's punishment may have been too severe and too swift but he was in the wrong. All Sanders did was try to stand up for the American people against the donor class and he was shut down for doing so. They have the choice to either sell their soul to the devil or see their political careers capped at where they are.

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Anonymous wrote:That is the key, putting in meaningful ethics and other laws that will actually be upheld.

We have all sorts of laws that the administration and various republicans are breaking and there is no accountability for it.

(not saying dems don't break laws, but generally speaking, the dems police their own, see franken, al)

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the Dems pushed out Franken on a ridiculous pretense wasn't "policing their own" ethics, but was pushing out an independent progressive who wasn't beholden to their donors?

This is more applicable to Sanders, Warren, and AOC than it is to Franken. I suppose MTG and Cheney and a few other Republicans are in the same boat.

Franken's punishment may have been too severe and too swift but he was in the wrong. All Sanders did was try to stand up for the American people against the donor class and he was shut down for doing so. They have the choice to either sell their soul to the devil or see their political careers capped at where they are.

Sanders is not a registered democrat, he is not a member of the party. Seems like a minumum requirement if you are running to be a party candidate in a presidential election, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow DCUM MAGA sure is freaked out about how unpopular this warmongering is.

Oh the irony of shutting down USAID overnight and stopping food aid and medicines to sick children even though there were multi year commitments in place.

That was supposed to be because America wants to prioritize spending to “its own.” Yet here we are spending billions and getting US soldiers killed to get rid of the 86 year old leader of Iran who would have been gone soon anyway.

most of it was going to fraud and bad actors. Just throwing money at something doesn't mean the problem is going to be solved. Clean up the shop and start again.

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Anonymous wrote:That is the key, putting in meaningful ethics and other laws that will actually be upheld.

We have all sorts of laws that the administration and various republicans are breaking and there is no accountability for it.

(not saying dems don't break laws, but generally speaking, the dems police their own, see franken, al)

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the Dems pushed out Franken on a ridiculous pretense wasn't "policing their own" ethics, but was pushing out an independent progressive who wasn't beholden to their donors?

This is more applicable to Sanders, Warren, and AOC than it is to Franken. I suppose MTG and Cheney and a few other Republicans are in the same boat.

Franken's punishment may have been too severe and too swift but he was in the wrong. All Sanders did was try to stand up for the American people against the donor class and he was shut down for doing so. They have the choice to either sell their soul to the devil or see their political careers capped at where they are.

Sanders is not a registered democrat, he is not a member of the party. Seems like a minumum requirement if you are running to be a party candidate in a presidential election, no?

TY on Sanders.

And agree on Franken - too severe and too swift and he was in the wrong. Huge loss for Dems in that chamber as Franken and his staff crushed oversight.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow DCUM MAGA sure is freaked out about how unpopular this warmongering is.

Oh the irony of shutting down USAID overnight and stopping food aid and medicines to sick children even though there were multi year commitments in place.

That was supposed to be because America wants to prioritize spending to “its own.” Yet here we are spending billions and getting US soldiers killed to get rid of the 86 year old leader of Iran who would have been gone soon anyway.

most of it was going to fraud and bad actors. Just throwing money at something doesn't mean the problem is going to be solved. Clean up the shop and start again.

You have no idea, absolutely no idea. If you think you do, then please provide cites. Guessing that will not happen.

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Anonymous wrote:So trump ordered a strike on a girls school because they used an old map.

Just outright murder.

Old map my foot.

Planet labs sells satellite data up to 3 meters in resolution to the common man.

The Israeli military has satellite imagery that is very very minute. And they could see who was coming in and out of that building.

They blew up that school so they could destroy the hearts of those men. So they could destroy them psychologically.

The Israel use US satellite imagery.

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Anonymous wrote:That is the key, putting in meaningful ethics and other laws that will actually be upheld.

We have all sorts of laws that the administration and various republicans are breaking and there is no accountability for it.

(not saying dems don't break laws, but generally speaking, the dems police their own, see franken, al)

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the Dems pushed out Franken on a ridiculous pretense wasn't "policing their own" ethics, but was pushing out an independent progressive who wasn't beholden to their donors?

This is more applicable to Sanders, Warren, and AOC than it is to Franken. I suppose MTG and Cheney and a few other Republicans are in the same boat.

Franken's punishment may have been too severe and too swift but he was in the wrong. All Sanders did was try to stand up for the American people against the donor class and he was shut down for doing so. They have the choice to either sell their soul to the devil or see their political careers capped at where they are.

Sanders is not a registered democrat, he is not a member of the party. Seems like a minumum requirement if you are running to be a party candidate in a presidential election, no?

Quality of candidate should be more important than who kisses the rear ends of wealthy political donors in order to join the "party".

It's really no wonder why our best and brightest are no longer entering the political arena. Can you blame them?

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Anonymous wrote:How much influence does Israel have over Canada? I am really surprised how supportive Carney has been given Davos, Canadian retreat from Trump and US tourism, the Gordie Howe bridge, etc. Even those who like him there pulled back after making cracks about annexing Canada, Still, Carney is the liberal leader there.

Is anyone else surprised?

Canada, Germany, UK, France have all been equally supportive. They have sizable Persian diaspora populations, so this is probably smart feel-good politics. I suspect there may be a bit of a quid pro quo on Iran and Ukraine. This is going to majorly impede Russia’s abilities to acquire Iranian drones and missiles

+1 This is my hope

Not so fast. Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz, and the problem is that oil prices will skyrocket. If that goes on for too long, Putin's Russia will make a mint off their oil. People don't quite understand that Russia is a one-trick pony and its only resource is oil. It needs the oil money more than it needs weaponry from abroad, since it can make weaponry and indeed, has transformed its economy into a war economy. The war has dragged into a stalemate at the front because Russia is now squeezed by low oil prices. If they go back up... Russia might win the war.

So we do NOT want a long-drawn out conflict in the Middle East.

Oh, I see. Huh!

Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz. Hmmm.

Is that what you think will happen or is that what you were wishing?

Fact is, they had 11 large Naval Ships in the Strait. ALL have been destroyed and sunk.

Stop betting against us. We'll be just fine.

Moar!

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Anonymous wrote:Spain isn’t allowing US to use their bases.

Interesting.

Weren’t they vocally against this compared to passive support from France. Germany, and UK? So, not surprising?

Spain has a 5% Muslim population and a significant history of Islam in the country prior to the inquisition/reconquista that it has been grappling with over the recent decades. They also tend to be a little more nervous about terrorist attacks then some other European countries for whatever reason.

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Anonymous wrote:How much influence does Israel have over Canada? I am really surprised how supportive Carney has been given Davos, Canadian retreat from Trump and US tourism, the Gordie Howe bridge, etc. Even those who like him there pulled back after making cracks about annexing Canada, Still, Carney is the liberal leader there.

Is anyone else surprised?

Canada, Germany, UK, France have all been equally supportive. They have sizable Persian diaspora populations, so this is probably smart feel-good politics. I suspect there may be a bit of a quid pro quo on Iran and Ukraine. This is going to majorly impede Russia’s abilities to acquire Iranian drones and missiles

+1 This is my hope

Not so fast. Iran is closing the strait of Hormuz, and the problem is that oil prices will skyrocket. If that goes on for too long, Putin's Russia will make a mint off their oil. People don't quite understand that Russia is a one-trick pony and its only resource is oil. It needs the oil money more than it needs weaponry from abroad, since it can make weaponry and indeed, has transformed its economy into a war economy. The war has dragged into a stalemate at the front because Russia is now squeezed by low oil prices. If they go back up... Russia might win the war.

So we do NOT want a long-drawn out conflict in the Middle East.

Oh, I see. Huh!

Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz. Hmmm.

Is that what you think will happen or is that what you were wishing?

Fact is, they had 11 large Naval Ships in the Strait. ALL have been destroyed and sunk.

Stop betting against us. We'll be just fine.

Moar!

Iran was never going to close the Strait with ships. They'll do it with missiles and drones. It's 2026.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of these posters sound like they’re about 12 years old and have no concept of the evil acts Iran has committed over the decades. I suggest you educate yourselves because you just sound beyond ignorant.

“The mullahs who run Iran are murderous thugs. They kill women for showing their hair. They throw people in jail for dancing. They execute homosexuals. Death to America is their official foreign policy. They want Salman Rushdie’s head on a platter. The world is a better place without them.

I realize that’s crazy talk to anyone born in the 1990s or the 2000s. If you learned your foreign policy in a post-9/11 Ivy League classroom, or from some based online bugmold with a newsletter, that sounds like the reckless neocon warmongering that put us into a quagmire in Iraq.

But I was born in the 1970s. I remember the shocking barbarism of the fatwa against Mr. Rushdie. I remember the Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism of the 1980s, the 1994 suicide attack on the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing. I remember Terry Anderson and Terry Waite. I remember that al Qaeda members, including Osama bin Laden’s son, were given sanctuary in Iran after 9/11.

Any American over 50 knows who started it. The claim that Iran is the world’s No. 1 state sponsor of terrorism is more than words. It strikes deep. The Islamic Republic has waged war on the West and Western values for half a century. The Foundation for Defense of Democracies keeps a handy tally of Tehran’s long and bloody résumé. Check it out sometime.”

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/iran-started-it-b165eef9?st=L6BhkA

If you'd like to fight the Mullahs, you're free to do so. Stop using our children to do it.

“Our children” - or rather, our military - are getting rid of this sick regime which has caused so much terror around the world for decades. Very thankful right now but it figures that you would want the Islamic Regime to continue sowing terror both within Iran and worldwide.

The new MAGA talking point: "get rid of evil regimes"

The old MAGA talking point: "we can't be the world's police".. "no new wars"

How pathetic you are.

If we are now in charge of ridding the world of every evil regime, when does MAGA plan on bombing NK, Russia, China, Afghanistan, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, UAE, Egypt and Equitorial Guinea?

Let's start with your list. NK, Russia and China have nukes and we, the USA, are bullies, not fools. We tried in Afghanistan for 20 years and well you know the outcome of that clusterfrack. I don't believe Myanmar have any rare earths or commodities of value, so until some are found, we will pass. Saudi Arabia is paying the Trump family billions of dollars and they were able to convince Trump to dump bombs on the biggest adversary this weekend. Cuba is currently in the works because that has been an obsession of Rubio's since he was a little boy. Egypt is currently under the authoritarian rule of a USA puppet the USA installed, so why do we need a regime change. They do what they are told. I don't know enough about Equitorial New Guinea to comment, mabye someone else has information. BTW, I hope you don't think your list is complete. There are a heckuva lot more evil regimes in the world. Too many.

In other words, all the crap about this being necessary because the Iranian regime is so evil is a bunch of BS.

In a nutshell, yep!