Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

The head of the GSA under Trump refused to start the transition to the Biden administration after Trump lost the election, so this little factoid (if true) might not be the kind of support you're looking for.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend said that she'd heard the informant was likely a SS agent, and nobody close to Trump. I hope someday we know who it was.

So your friend believes acSS agent was rummaging through boxes in a basement storage locker unbeknownst to anyone?

Maybe they weren't always in boxes in basement storage.

I’m pretty sure people don’t have basements in Palm Beach. Where did the idea of a basement come from?

Especially a block from the beach.

Sigh.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/local/2017/08/10/little-known-feature-trump-s/7803682007/

The DOJ who is ultra careful with dotted "I" s and crossed "Ts" apparently raided Mar-A-LaRgo

I believe it's spelled "Mar-A Lardo"

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Sorry Mar-A-Lardo
Mar-A Lardo

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I did it again
Mar-A-Lardo!

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The problem with credibility is equal application of law. You can't enforce the laws you want to and not enforce others and expect people to 'go with it'.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

Only the FBI and DOJ are in a position to conclusively verify this and they’re not in the business of trying cases in the court of public opinion or discussing ongoing investigations:

So the answer is 'um, yeah, yeah they do but we can't tell you!'

Do you have an issue with a presumption of innocence and Miranda rights?

SCOTUS has suspended miranda rights.

Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

Only the FBI and DOJ are in a position to conclusively verify this and they’re not in the business of trying cases in the court of public opinion or discussing ongoing investigations:

So the answer is 'um, yeah, yeah they do but we can't tell you!'

Do you have an issue with a presumption of innocence and Miranda rights?

Everyone here fully supports a criminal trial for Trump.

Not the trash can patriots who seem to think Trump is entitled to special treatment and that they, being uniquely special, are entitled to explanations from DOJ akin to participation trophies.

He has already received special treatment. Anyone else on the planet would have been detained 17 months ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

Only the FBI and DOJ are in a position to conclusively verify this and they’re not in the business of trying cases in the court of public opinion or discussing ongoing investigations:

So the answer is 'um, yeah, yeah they do but we can't tell you!'

Do you have an issue with a presumption of innocence and Miranda rights?

SCOTUS has suspended miranda rights.

Nice try.

Your understanding of Miranda is comparable to Trump’s understanding of the concept of marital fidelity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with credibility is equal application of law. You can't enforce the laws you want to and not enforce others and expect people to 'go with it'.

Lock her up!

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Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

This is a weirdly credulous article to be posting at this stage of this whole thing.

^ and it's also such a strange mix of unattributed quotes (that clearly come from trump and are clear lies) and almost, like, sponsored travel writing:

"Once inside the air-conditioned, white marble-clad private quarters, agents fanned out to search every room, while shocked staff were instructed by Trump’s lawyers to unlock doors and provide the FBI access to every room, including the sumptuous Versailles Master Bedroom, renovated by Melania two years ago."

Like, come for TFG being called to account for stealing nuclear secrets, stay for the sumptuous Versailles Master Bedroom, renovated by Melania two years ago.

Let them eat stolen nuclear secrets!

Their bedroom is really named after Versailles? Do they know what happened to the French monarchy?

"One day after being convicted of conspiracy with foreign powers and sentenced to death by the French National Convention, King Louis XVI is executed by guillotine in the Place de la Revolution in Paris."

The irony is really quite spectaculaire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

This is a weirdly credulous article to be posting at this stage of this whole thing.

^ and it's also such a strange mix of unattributed quotes (that clearly come from trump and are clear lies) and almost, like, sponsored travel writing:

"Once inside the air-conditioned, white marble-clad private quarters, agents fanned out to search every room, while shocked staff were instructed by Trump’s lawyers to unlock doors and provide the FBI access to every room, including the sumptuous Versailles Master Bedroom, renovated by Melania two years ago."

Like, come for TFG being called to account for stealing nuclear secrets, stay for the sumptuous Versailles Master Bedroom, renovated by Melania two years ago.

Let them eat stolen nuclear secrets!

Their bedroom is really named after Versailles? Do they know what happened to the French monarchy?

"One day after being convicted of conspiracy with foreign powers and sentenced to death by the French National Convention, King Louis XVI is executed by guillotine in the Place de la Revolution in Paris."

The irony is really quite spectaculaire.

Trying to overcompensate for a gaping chasm of insecurity:

[Anonymous]

Oh god. Stop the gaslighting. Please.

A former president was mishandling top secret/sci documents and storing them (illegally) in his private club where lots of people, including potentially interested foreign parties, continually walk through.

From the warrant we know this is what was being searched for and from the receipts, we know this was what was found.

This alone that we know is just terrible behavior and worthy of a search warrant.

But if the (unconfirmed) reporting that the docs are about nuclear matters, does it not send a chill down your spine? Who are you people that aren’t alarmed by this and look for conspiracy theories to blame the DoJ instead?

I don’t even know if there was any intent behind the man child who used to be president. He reminds me of that Fitzgerald quote: “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

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Their stupidity and treachery offends me. As does. The slow. Talking for benefit. Of their addled viewers.

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Anonymous wrote:Two points just made on CNN that are worth noting.

1. When the FBI reviews these documents and materials, they will not just be reviewing the substance of the documents. They will likely be fingerprinting the documents to determine who may have viewed them.

2. The existence of the documents alone would not be enough to support a finding of probable cause under the Espionage Act, so this warrant probably signals that DOJ has other evidence (probably from a witness or a written communication they obtained) of intent to share this information in a way that is contrary to national security interests. The warrant itself is only the tip of the iceberg here.

The second paragraph doesn’t make sense. Probable cause can be established by a showing that materials subject to the Espionage Act were in the possession and control of a person but are now unaccounted for and not otherwise under positive control by NARA and/or those materials are known to be located at a specified unsecured location without legal authority. The FBI obtains warrants on this basis all the time when government employees or contractors are involved in mishandling classified or confidential material.

It’s also quite possible that there was a sudden sense of urgency triggered by information obtained through intelligence, surveillance or a witness/source.

Warrants, yes, but I doubt a random employee will be CHARGED with espionage if they mistakenly bring something home they shouldn't have, absent all other proof.
Now in this case, Trump knowingly brought these documents home. But doesn't a charge of espionage need evidence of disseminating it to others? Or intent of same?

Nobody said anything about mistakenly — which is near impodddible to do. That’s blatantly moving the goalposts. Go read 18 USC sec. 793. It is not hard to parse.

Right. My question is: Will Trump be charged with espionage even if law enforcement cannot find any proof he intended to share them? Is sole possession of these docs sufficient since he should have known it was illegal to do so?

Also, if fingerprints of his employees are found on them, will they be charged too?

I bet this brings down the whole Trump family, his legal team, everyone.

How many layers of fingerprints can be read on a single document do you think?

If the fingerprints of his employees belong to foreign nationals who aren’t just cheap summer labor but are actually intelligence from those other countries, yes, they’ll be locked up here or deported or whatever they do with those people.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't keep up. They removed all these boxes- has anyone confirmed the boxes actually contain the nuclear documents?

Only the FBI and DOJ are in a position to conclusively verify this and they’re not in the business of trying cases in the court of public opinion or discussing ongoing investigations:

So the answer is 'um, yeah, yeah they do but we can't tell you!'

Do you have an issue with a presumption of innocence and Miranda rights?

Everyone here fully supports a criminal trial for Trump.

Not the trash can patriots who seem to think Trump is entitled to special treatment and that they, being uniquely special, are entitled to explanations from DOJ akin to participation trophies.

He has already received special treatment. Anyone else on the planet would have been detained 17 months ago.

“Detained” is a fun way of saying “would be at the bottom of a dark hole awaiting a trial that’s moving at a glacial pace.”