What religion has the highest chance of going to Heaven?

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Anonymous wrote:God doesn’t send people to hell.

But he knows they are going there before they are born, so yes, technically he does.

God does not decide who goes to heaven and hell. Each individual person decides whether they receive Jesus and go to heaven or spend eternity in hell. God is constantly pursuing humanity with his love and kindness. ... God provided salvation as a gift through the crucifixion and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.

But does god know what they will do before they are born?

By your definition, yes he does. So there is no free will and he sends them to damnation on purpose.

You can't have it both ways.

Free will means God knows what people will chose before they are born; not that he makes the choice for each person before they are born.

God gives us the freedom to make a choice; we aren’t a rock or a tree. Our freedom of choice is never revoked. It is always left up to the individual to make their choices and decisions in their life. Free will also means God cannot demand our love. God seeks our love and affection, but our love and affection for God is left completely up to us to decide upon. We decide. Without this free will and independent decision making process, we would have no personal relationship with God.

So God doesn’t decide if we go to heaven or hell. He doesn’t send us to either place. We decide as agents of our own lives and through the exercise of our free will.

So by your account:

- He knows what "choices" they will make before they are born
- He knows this will lead to their damnation under rules he created
- He is completely capable of changing the rules or the nature of the person making the damning "choices"
- He allows them to be born anyway and does nothing, ensuring their eternal torment!

Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense! Such love!

God doesn’t want to “make” us love Him and “make” us have a personal relationship with Him. We aren’t His robots or hostages.

He doesn’t require perfection from us; he knows we are incapable of that. He doesn’t demand anything but our love and that we accept the gift His Son so graciously has offered us.

So God would rather that we choose him and if we don't choose him and his gracious gift of his son, whom he sent here to be crucified for our sins, then we go to hell -- our choice. but God set up the whole system -- if you believe it.

Lots of children do, because they are taught it by their parents. But many people reject this at some point as they mature. Some people don't accept it even as children.

Yes. Two sides of the same coin. On the one side, God is absolutely sovereign. On the other side, human beings have free will and are fully responsible for their own actions.

How can God’s sovereignty and human free will be true at the same time? We don’t know. But God does. And we can trust that He’ll explain it to us when we see Him face to face.

If you don't know, then you don't know that god knows. That's a square circle. More importantly: If you don't know, then stop saying you do.

Nobody knows.

When it comes to the nature of God, human understanding will only take us so far. Beyond that, we have to walk by faith. We can only move forward by trusting in God’s goodness and faithfulness.

Then stop saying “god knows” because you admit you don’t know.

I don’t know, nobody knows, but God knows.

Sorry, if you don’t know, you have no way of grasping if god does.

[Anonymous]

“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

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The last time I checked, religion can't go to Heaven...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/61836-ancient-seal-prophet-isaiah.html

Is This Seal the Earliest Evidence of Biblical Prophet Isaiah?

“Some 2,700 years ago, someone pressed a seal bearing the name Isaiah into a soft piece of clay, which hardened over time, say archaeologists who discovered the impression in Jerusalem.

If the seal was for the prophet Isaiah, it would be the first archaeological evidence of the Jewish prophet, who has a book in the Hebrew Bible named after him.

Isaiah, according to the Hebrew Bible, encouraged Hezekiah, king of Judah, to fight against the Assyrian army that laid siege to Jerusalem in 701 B.C. Isaiah advised Hezekiah to ignore Assyrian offers to surrender, and said that God would prevent Jerusalem from being captured. According to the Hebrew Bible, an "angel of the lord" destroyed the Assyrian army, while ancient Assyrian records claim that the army only left after Hezekiah agreed to pay a vast tribute. [The Holy Land: 7 Amazing Archaeological Finds]

Archaeologists discovered the seal impression during excavations in 2009 at the Ophel, an area in East Jerusalem located between the "City of David" archaeological site and the Temple Mount (a site also known as al-Ḥaram al-Šarīf). They found the impression of a King Hezekiah seal about 10 feet (3 meters) from the Isaiah seal impression, said the archaeologists, who are led by Eilat Mazar, an archaeology professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's Institute of Archaeology.“

Amazingly, a seal was found that some believe belonged to the prophet Isaiah. Isaiah predicted the birth, nature, and death of Jesus Christ. Isiah is venerated in Judaism, Catholicism, both Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, and Islam.

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

That was during the old testament. All that changed in the New Testament When God decided to send his only son to earth to have him crucified as the only way he could figure out to forgive the many sins of the humans he had placed here.

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

That was during the old testament. All that changed in the New Testament When God decided to send his only son to earth to have him crucified as the only way he could figure out to forgive the many sins of the humans he had placed here.

Really? We can discount the entire old testament? Even though Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”?

If that's true, I like it! So stop all the anti-gay stuff for starters. And you stop quoting Isaiah also.

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I am going to quote Isaiah even harder now.

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

It was a violent time. It is the place that “an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,” came from. (Hammurabi’s Code)

If any one finds runaway male or female slaves in the open country and bring them to their masters, the master of the slaves shall pay him two shekels of silver.

If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death.

If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of a drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.

If a man strike a free-born woman so that she lose her unborn child, he shall pay ten shekels for her loss.

If a barber, without the knowledge of his master, cut the sign of a slave on a slave not to be sold, the hands of this barber shall be cut off.

If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

The code also states that "if a physician make a large incision with the operating knife, and kill him, ... his hands shall be cut off."

Also, different social classes had different laws and were treated differently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

It was a violent time. It is the place that “an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,” came from. (Hammurabi’s Code)

If any one finds runaway male or female slaves in the open country and bring them to their masters, the master of the slaves shall pay him two shekels of silver.

If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death.

If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of a drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.

If a man strike a free-born woman so that she lose her unborn child, he shall pay ten shekels for her loss.

If a barber, without the knowledge of his master, cut the sign of a slave on a slave not to be sold, the hands of this barber shall be cut off.

If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

The code also states that "if a physician make a large incision with the operating knife, and kill him, ... his hands shall be cut off."

Also, different social classes had different laws and were treated differently.

As stated above, thanks for explaining, as that makes God's command to rape women and kill infants completely morally acceptable. 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

It was a violent time. It is the place that “an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,” came from. (Hammurabi’s Code)

If any one finds runaway male or female slaves in the open country and bring them to their masters, the master of the slaves shall pay him two shekels of silver.

If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death.

If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of a drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.

If a man strike a free-born woman so that she lose her unborn child, he shall pay ten shekels for her loss.

If a barber, without the knowledge of his master, cut the sign of a slave on a slave not to be sold, the hands of this barber shall be cut off.

If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

The code also states that "if a physician make a large incision with the operating knife, and kill him, ... his hands shall be cut off."

Also, different social classes had different laws and were treated differently.

As stated above, thanks for explaining, as that makes God's command to rape women and kill infants completely morally acceptable. 100%.

A combined army of Medes and Persians overthrew Babylon.

God wants to break the power of Babylon, so that the captive Jews could be released and return to their homeland. Peoples who once oppressed the Jews would help them rebuild their ruined nation. (The permission for the Jews’ return was given by the conquering Persian king, Cyrus.)

Isaiah 13:16, as well as the context of Isaiah 13:16, describe the reality of what happens during war. During war, infants are killed and women are raped. However, Isaiah 13 does not explicitly approve or disapprove of the specific things that happen during Babylon’s punishment and overthrow. God did not command the Medes and Persians to rape women and kill infants.


Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, was a devout Zoroastrian. Medes practiced Zoroastrianism as well, and possibly also Proto-Indo-Iranian religion.

The Christian God was not worshiped by those who overthrew Babylon. They did not pray for guidance from God. Because it is remarked upon or commented upon in the Bible, does not mean God approved it. It was reality. War is terrible now, and was much more brutal in that time frame.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

It was a violent time. It is the place that “an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,” came from. (Hammurabi’s Code)

If any one finds runaway male or female slaves in the open country and bring them to their masters, the master of the slaves shall pay him two shekels of silver.

If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death.

If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of a drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.

If a man strike a free-born woman so that she lose her unborn child, he shall pay ten shekels for her loss.

If a barber, without the knowledge of his master, cut the sign of a slave on a slave not to be sold, the hands of this barber shall be cut off.

If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

The code also states that "if a physician make a large incision with the operating knife, and kill him, ... his hands shall be cut off."

Also, different social classes had different laws and were treated differently.

As stated above, thanks for explaining, as that makes God's command to rape women and kill infants completely morally acceptable. 100%.

A combined army of Medes and Persians overthrew Babylon.

God wants to break the power of Babylon, so that the captive Jews could be released and return to their homeland. Peoples who once oppressed the Jews would help them rebuild their ruined nation. (The permission for the Jews’ return was given by the conquering Persian king, Cyrus.)

Isaiah 13:16, as well as the context of Isaiah 13:16, describe the reality of what happens during war. During war, infants are killed and women are raped. However, Isaiah 13 does not explicitly approve or disapprove of the specific things that happen during Babylon’s punishment and overthrow. God did not command the Medes and Persians to rape women and kill infants.


Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, was a devout Zoroastrian. Medes practiced Zoroastrianism as well, and possibly also Proto-Indo-Iranian religion.

The Christian God was not worshiped by those who overthrew Babylon. They did not pray for guidance from God. Because it is remarked upon or commented upon in the Bible, does not mean God approved it. It was reality. War is terrible now, and was much more brutal in that time frame.

No no no no no no no no no. You do not get to pick and choose. You quoted Isaiah, and then I did too.

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger"

It's extremely clear.

By your logic, any bible verse can be discounted. So let's discount them all, or none of them. Let's be honest and consistent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).

I love quoting Isaiah!

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger. . . . I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty. . . . Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated." (Isaiah 13:9–16 NIV)

That is about the city and people of Babylon. In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

Babylon was an empire that kept Jewish people in captivity for 70 years. They brutally they laid siege to Jerusalem for over a year, killing many people and destroying the Jewish temple, taking captive many thousands of Jews, and leaving Jerusalem in ruins. The Jewish people suffered greatly during this time. They were deported by force into captivity.

The number of people killed by the Babylonians probably were in the thousands; many of the buildings in Jerusalem and several cities of Judah were destroyed.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls.

Thanks for explaining that. It completely justifies rape of women and killing of infants.

It was a violent time. It is the place that “an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth,” came from. (Hammurabi’s Code)

If any one finds runaway male or female slaves in the open country and bring them to their masters, the master of the slaves shall pay him two shekels of silver.

If any one is committing a robbery and is caught, then he shall be put to death.

If a tavern-keeper (feminine) does not accept corn according to gross weight in payment of a drink, but takes money, and the price of the drink is less than that of the corn, she shall be convicted and thrown into the water.

If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: "You are not my father, or my mother," his tongue shall be cut off.

If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

If a man knock out the teeth of his equal, his teeth shall be knocked out.

If a man strike a free-born woman so that she lose her unborn child, he shall pay ten shekels for her loss.

If a barber, without the knowledge of his master, cut the sign of a slave on a slave not to be sold, the hands of this barber shall be cut off.

If a slave says to his master: "You are not my master," if they convict him his master shall cut off his ear.

The code also states that "if a physician make a large incision with the operating knife, and kill him, ... his hands shall be cut off."

Also, different social classes had different laws and were treated differently.

As stated above, thanks for explaining, as that makes God's command to rape women and kill infants completely morally acceptable. 100%.

A combined army of Medes and Persians overthrew Babylon.

God wants to break the power of Babylon, so that the captive Jews could be released and return to their homeland. Peoples who once oppressed the Jews would help them rebuild their ruined nation. (The permission for the Jews’ return was given by the conquering Persian king, Cyrus.)

Isaiah 13:16, as well as the context of Isaiah 13:16, describe the reality of what happens during war. During war, infants are killed and women are raped. However, Isaiah 13 does not explicitly approve or disapprove of the specific things that happen during Babylon’s punishment and overthrow. God did not command the Medes and Persians to rape women and kill infants.


Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, was a devout Zoroastrian. Medes practiced Zoroastrianism as well, and possibly also Proto-Indo-Iranian religion.

The Christian God was not worshiped by those who overthrew Babylon. They did not pray for guidance from God. Because it is remarked upon or commented upon in the Bible, does not mean God approved it. It was reality. War is terrible now, and was much more brutal in that time frame.

No no no no no no no no no. You do not get to pick and choose. You quoted Isaiah, and then I did too.

"See, the day of the Lord is coming — a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger"

It's extremely clear.

By your logic, any bible verse can be discounted. So let's discount them all, or none of them. Let's be honest and consistent.

Outrages such as these were then, as they have been ever since, the inevitable accompaniments of the capture of a besieged city. That this was/is done in barbarous nations in the time of war, there can be no doubt.

Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes, as a just recompence for the like cruelty acted by them upon the Jews, 2 Chronicles 36:17, which also was foretold, Psalm 137:9.

and their wives ravished; by the same, and both before their eyes, and after that slain, in like manner as they had ravished the women in Zion, Lamentations 5:11.


When a town was taken by assault, the inhabitants were ruthlessly slaughtered. When spared, it was only to be dragged off as captives, and to become the slaves of their captors in a foreign land. Assyrian sculptures often illustrate this latter practice.

Also: The day of the Lord is an important phrase, used some 26 times in the Bible. It speaks not of a single day of judgment, but of the season of judgment when the Lord sets things right. It is as if today is man’s day, but the Lord’s day is coming.