Why do so many parents want DL forever?

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

I'm fine with that if it isn't pulling resources from in person school and doesn't worsen segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

I'm fine with that if it isn't pulling resources from in person school and doesn't worsen segregation.

We really have segregation so how would that change things? And, how is it pulling resources? If anything it reduces class sizes. You want your kids needs met in the way you decide, so why can't other families have the same.

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What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

If that's true, it's so sad for the kids.

Sad for SOME kids. A lot feel much safer at home. No bullies. No gangs. No risk of a school shooting... since there won't ever be any gun reform.

Get support from parents that they aren't getting from teachers as well.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want DL forever, please research the many virtual schools that existed well before Covid.

+1

Exactly.

IMO, if we are committing public funds to setting up permanent DL academies, there needs to be significant research first demonstrating that it isn't just a way to implement another form of segregation, that learning outcomes especially for disadvantaged groups are better than in person learning (not just the same, given the loss of funding), that students with disabilities are equally served, that students with disabilities are identified at the same rate, that truancy laws are enforced, and that there isn't a decrease in mandatory reporting done (so DL isn't hiding abuse).

If all this isn't done, we should not spend public funds on this.

Oh my....

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Anonymous wrote:Honest, Sincere Question: what does “when it is safe” mean? What constitutes “safe”?

I would LOVE to know the answer to this question!

When all the adults and kids are vaccinated or have the opportunity to be vaccinated and decline AND numbers go down and we aren't seeing COVID in the schools regularly.

But we are not seeing COVID in schools. When it is found in schools it’s coming from outside.

exactly. And, masks work.

Masks help. They don't fully stop covid. The issue is kids bringing it into the school and then bring it home. Personally I don't want my kids to get covid nor do I want it.

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Anonymous wrote:Honest, Sincere Question: what does “when it is safe” mean? What constitutes “safe”?

I would LOVE to know the answer to this question!

When all the adults and kids are vaccinated or have the opportunity to be vaccinated and decline AND numbers go down and we aren't seeing COVID in the schools regularly.

But we are not seeing COVID in schools. When it is found in schools it’s coming from outside.

exactly. And, masks work.

Masks help. They don't fully stop covid. The issue is kids bringing it into the school and then bring it home. Personally I don't want my kids to get covid nor do I want it.

Extremely low risk of kids transmitting the virus through a mask at school.

Why didn't you just homeschool your kid all along? They could have brought the flu back way more easily.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

I'm fine with that if it isn't pulling resources from in person school and doesn't worsen segregation.

We really have segregation so how would that change things? And, how is it pulling resources? If anything it reduces class sizes. You want your kids needs met in the way you decide, so why can't other families have the same.

I am beginning to think you are a teenager who just doesn't want to return at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

I'm fine with that if it isn't pulling resources from in person school and doesn't worsen segregation.

We really have segregation so how would that change things? And, how is it pulling resources? If anything it reduces class sizes. You want your kids needs met in the way you decide, so why can't other families have the same.

I am beginning to think you are a teenager who just doesn't want to return at this point.

What, you don't want to hear the truth? Are you at a segregated school? We are not and a low income/ESOL school so we are the diversity. Shy do you get to choose how your kids learn but refuse to give others the same? Is that hard to answer? Its not about resources or segregation so what are you really scared of?

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

What makes you think I am wealthy and white?

In my district, 50 percent of black and 60 percent of Latinx families chose in person. If you read my post, you’d see that I’m talking about next year, when every adult will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated. At that point, DL needs to go away.

The most vocal proponents of DL forever on my local moms group on fb are white women with anxiety disorders.

It doesn't need to go away. You want it to go away. MCPS has said they are working on keeping DL for those who want it. Why are you so threatened by families liking DL?

DL, in some form, is here to stay and demand will increase over the next decade. Some parents may not agree, but that won't matter in the long run.

I'm fine with that if it isn't pulling resources from in person school and doesn't worsen segregation.

We really have segregation so how would that change things? And, how is it pulling resources? If anything it reduces class sizes. You want your kids needs met in the way you decide, so why can't other families have the same.

I am beginning to think you are a teenager who just doesn't want to return at this point.

What, you don't want to hear the truth? Are you at a segregated school? We are not and a low income/ESOL school so we are the diversity. Shy do you get to choose how your kids learn but refuse to give others the same? Is that hard to answer? Its not about resources or segregation so what are you really scared of?

Go to bed, kiddo. Unfortunately you can't get out of Algebra this way.

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No one has objected to a state run virtual academy. That would be the best way to do it.

I can't believe this thread has gone on and on since I read it yesterday morning. State run virtual academies already exist. Most states have them, and they typically are run by K12. You can find out if your state participates here: https://www.k12.com/participating-schools.html?state

In our experience, and based on what I have heard from others who left FCPS for Virginia Virtual Academy during DL, the curriculum is demanding and the quality of the instruction is high, but AP classes are not offered in high school. If you want DL forever, please check them out.

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I wonder if the quiet/compliant kids in classrooms with a lot of mainstreamed/disruptive kids would be pulled out, leading to an overall deterioration in classroom teaching.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the quiet/compliant kids in classrooms with a lot of mainstreamed/disruptive kids would be pulled out, leading to an overall deterioration in classroom teaching.

This is happened at my school. The majority of families chose virtual so they offered 4 days in person to the kids who really needed it. It effectively created a bunch of self contained classrooms.

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No one has objected to a state run virtual academy. That would be the best way to do it.

I can't believe this thread has gone on and on since I read it yesterday morning. State run virtual academies already exist. Most states have them, and they typically are run by K12. You can find out if your state participates here: https://www.k12.com/participating-schools.html?state

In our experience, and based on what I have heard from others who left FCPS for Virginia Virtual Academy during DL, the curriculum is demanding and the quality of the instruction is high, but AP classes are not offered in high school. If you want DL forever, please check them out.

Yes many of us have pointed this out multiple times throughout this thread. Your LOCAL school district should not be indefinitely tasked with the enormous burden of providing online education, which it was not designed to do. Virtual academies were designed for this purpose.

And apparently by thinking this, I'm just a rich, selfish, racist white person.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want your kids at hime forever, that’s fine. That option has always existed — it’s called homeschooling. The local school system should not have to continue to pour resources into online learning after this school year because some parents want to keep their kids home. There are virtual schools and many states have their own virtual public school. The local district should not have to spend money to keep providing this.

This is what it has always been about. Wealthier white families who are afraid that the minority kids at home are siphoning resources from their own kids.
There are kids in my class who have lost multiple family members to COVID. They have parents who don’t speak English, who work in fast food and public transit and in housekeeping. Some of these kids have parents who are illiterate even in their own language. You have absolutely no right to dictate how funds are allocated to students like this. Do you understand how devastating it will be to these families if their child brings home COVID to grandma and an infant? They don’t have insurance. Some live in shelters or in crowded low income housing. They can’t isolate a sick family member in a cozy bedroom like you can.

I’m embarrassed for the people who pretended to care about these children months ago. They pretended to advocate for these families until they finally realized that they don’t, in fact, want to send their kids back to school mid pandemic. They were always a prop, and now they’re back to being an obstacle to Charlotte’s flute lessons. Vile.

I'm embarrassed for you that you think keeping schools closed is the best education environment for your most at-risk students. If distance learning is the best for these students, why isn't distance learning the best for all students? Why have in person school for anyone?

You’re simply pretending that the pandemic doesn’t exist, which is convenient. Of course in school learning is best for them under normal circumstances. It is NOT the best for them (or for their families) during a pandemic. They’ve told you this, many times. The death rates for these communities support this. What makes you think you’re in a better position to make decisions for their children during a pandemic than their own parents? Oh right, racism and classism.

DP. You are speaking for these communities as well, in a very problematic manner, just to serve your own goals. The communities you reference are complex and are not nearly as single-minded in favor of DL as you claim. You talk about them like they are a monolith who all agree with your position on DL, but that's inaccurate. The reality is more nuanced (some want DL, some for hybrid, some for in person) and that is shown by the limited studies that exist. You act offensively when you set yourself up as the spokesperson for complex communities. One of the troubling aspects of all of this has been watching unions that are 80% or more made of white women speak over community members who can speak more eloquently about their own lives and communities.

SO much the bolded. "Stop using Black children to open up schools!"

Uh, stop using Black children to keep them closed. It's so much more complex than any white person hiding behind minority groups likes to claim.

You realize that this person is arguing that we should stop "pouring resources" into providing an OPTION for high risk families to choose remote learning? I work in a district where all my students have been offered full time, 5 day a week in person schooling and the vast majority of my students' families (who are ALL minorities) have elected to stay remote? White parents are literally arguing that we should divert resources from lower income communities because they feel that taxpayer money should only support THEIR preferred method of pandemic schooling. Don't try to pretend that the original post I responded to was advocating for something else.

There should not be many high risk families. Anyone high risk got the vaccine. If it is a exceptionally sick child, the school system already has measures in place for those small, select cases.

How exactly do you think the undocumented are getting vaccines? With their nonexistent IDs?
Crazy how you have the knowledge and authority to claim there are “not many” high risk families. Where are you getting your data?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the quiet/compliant kids in classrooms with a lot of mainstreamed/disruptive kids would be pulled out, leading to an overall deterioration in classroom teaching.

This is happened at my school. The majority of families chose virtual so they offered 4 days in person to the kids who really needed it. It effectively created a bunch of self contained classrooms.

I really hate the "good kids stay home, bad kids go to school" narrative. I think it's being pushed by people who want to validate their DL choices. I'm in a classroom with kids. They are fantastic kids who are there because their parents value in-person education, not because the kids are struggling more than average. Many of them are quiet and compliant.
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