What changes in the TJ admissions procedure do you predict this year ?

[Anonymous]

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

Disagree. You are misinterpreting the data. Go look at the pages which show the pie chart of percent of applications vs percent of admissions by race. The white percentage is pretty close to percentage of those applying.
Seems to me that your goal is to pit Asians against whites.

I'm not for pitting any group against any other, but anyone who claims the purpose of these changes is not to admit more Black and Hispanic students doesn't understand what they are doing.

And, remember, the Fairfax NAACP has been complaining about TJ for years--since long before Asians were the majority at TJ.

[Anonymous]

And, yet, no wholesale changes (with 3 weeks of notice) were ever implemented. Why could that be??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

A public school should be educating a representative cross section of the public and providing opportunities for kids who have interest and aptitude. It's fine with me if TJ is not the same or as "elite" as it has been. I don't want my public tax dollars used as it has been used. I would prefer to have it be a magnet STEM school that finds and develops talent.

If you want the most elite school that is so far above and beyond --- then send your kid to a private school that meets your expectations.

90% of the people freaking out about this are interested in TJ for their kids only has a conduit for college and the life the tiger parents have planned out for their cubs. There are truly exceptional kids, but they are a smaller group.

Bravo to the state and district for trying to change TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

Tell me with more specifics how the current system took race into consideration. IF some one tells truth the democrats want them to be silenced by calling them racists. Shame on your tactics. With out resorting to name calling just tell us how race mattered in the current process ? how telling that race did not matter inthe current process warranted to be termed as racist unless you are approaching everything with a racist view?

[Anonymous]

If they were serious about eliminating disparities, they would examine the AAP program. Fairfax County has the nation’s 10th largest public school system, with more than 188,000 students. Of those, 25 percent are Hispanic and 10 percent are African-American. But over the last 10 years, blacks and Hispanics have constituted only 12 percent of the students deemed eligible for Level IV, the most advanced academic program. Notably, the data show that when black and Hispanic students do submit intelligence tests, they are just as likely to gain admission as their white and Asian counterparts. When these students are excluded from the AAP program, the probability that they will have completed Algebra 1 by 8th grade is lower, and their ability to succeed at TJ is compromised. Do these politicians have the courage to examine biases in the AAP program?

[Anonymous]

... only AS a conduit...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they were serious about eliminating disparities, they would examine the AAP program. Fairfax County has the nation’s 10th largest public school system, with more than 188,000 students. Of those, 25 percent are Hispanic and 10 percent are African-American. But over the last 10 years, blacks and Hispanics have constituted only 12 percent of the students deemed eligible for Level IV, the most advanced academic program. Notably, the data show that when black and Hispanic students do submit intelligence tests, they are just as likely to gain admission as their white and Asian counterparts. When these students are excluded from the AAP program, the probability that they will have completed Algebra 1 by 8th grade is lower, and their ability to succeed at TJ is compromised. Do these politicians have the courage to examine biases in the AAP program?

They did examine the AAP program with several experts who wrote a long report and discussed it at a meeting. I think it was last spring. Wake up.

[Anonymous]

How do you know who 90% of the commenters are? Such baseless statements used to justify your opinion makes your opinion suspect.

I am still waiting for Langley to be adjusted the FCPS demographics and HS sports teams to be based on a lottery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

Yes, you are correct. some form of the proposed system was in effect some time before and it badly affected the URMs. Glad you brought this up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A public school should be educating a representative cross section of the public and providing opportunities for kids who have interest and aptitude. It's fine with me if TJ is not the same or as "elite" as it has been. I don't want my public tax dollars used as it has been used. I would prefer to have it be a magnet STEM school that finds and develops talent.

If you want the most elite school that is so far above and beyond --- then send your kid to a private school that meets your expectations.

90% of the people freaking out about this are interested in TJ for their kids only has a conduit for college and the life the tiger parents have planned out for their cubs. There are truly exceptional kids, but they are a smaller group.

Bravo to the state and district for trying to change TJ.

Why are you so racist to undermine Asian kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

Yes, you are correct. some form of the proposed system was in effect some time before and it badly affected the URMs. Glad you brought this up.

Not true at all. Large numbers of students won't flunk out of a changed high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A public school should be educating a representative cross section of the public and providing opportunities for kids who have interest and aptitude. It's fine with me if TJ is not the same or as "elite" as it has been. I don't want my public tax dollars used as it has been used. I would prefer to have it be a magnet STEM school that finds and develops talent.

If you want the most elite school that is so far above and beyond --- then send your kid to a private school that meets your expectations.

90% of the people freaking out about this are interested in TJ for their kids only has a conduit for college and the life the tiger parents have planned out for their cubs. There are truly exceptional kids, but they are a smaller group.

Bravo to the state and district for trying to change TJ.

Why are you so racist to undermine Asian kids?

DP. This change will benefit Asian students too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted this on other thread (sorry), but it probably belongs here - Wondering what your thoughts on these questions about the changes to TJ admissions

1. What exactly is the holistic process into the lottery pool for each region?
2. Does the race or gender play any role in this holistic approach of getting placed into the pool in the holistic approach?
3. Can we say that, any kid who has GPA 3.5+, enrolled in Algebra I by 8th grade and answer the questionnaire with some reasonable essay (assume its some write up at home with help of parents about why you want to go to TJ??) will get into the pool for the each region and have an equal chance within the region? i.e., a kid with just 3.5+ GPA is as likely to get in to the pool (or not selected) as the kid with highest GPA of 4.0+?
4. Can we say that from among the kids who are in the pool, a female hispanic kid and a male asian kid have the same chance of getting picked by the lottery within the region?

No, if a female hispanic kid is there in the pool she should be given holistic priority. Damn the asian kid that too a male. How dare he wishes to get into the lottery in the first place?

People, please don't get distracted with the rhetoric pitting asians against hispanics and blacks. This entire process is about getting more white people into the schools, while making some token moves to appease other minorities. Look at the data and the projections. The biggest projected increase is for white kids.

I just read through the slides and this is incorrect. The biggest projected increases by far are in black and Hispanic students.

I'm not exactly sure how or whether the plan will work but I approve of making changes to the admissions process. Right now, it isn't working properly for any student, Asian or non-Asian.

YEs, the current system works on the basis of merit. It does not take into consideration whether it is Asian or non-Asian. Color of the skin did not matter so far in the process but not now

I don’t know how you could possibly believe this unless you are profoundly racist.

The new system is racist against Asian students since it was specifically designed to lower Asian students and increase black and Hispanic students.

FCPS has no plans to deal with the consequences of large numbers of freshmen who will flunk out of TJ (TJ has minimum 3.0 unweighted gpa requirement) and have their gpa ruined for college under this lottery system. Morons not addressing the root of the problem- improving the elementary schools in poorer neighborhoods.

Who says they have to maintain that minimum GPA policy in perpetuity?

So many straw-man arguments from the obvious defenders of an indefensible status quo.