FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

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I think that everything that is being offered is CYA so when you complain about the DL offerings they’ll say they offered a lot. I’m not sure how much penalization you’ll get. Probably if your kid does fine - it doesn’t matter. If your kid does bad and you complain - they’ll say they didn’t log in, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

LOL!! This is the funniest thing I have read in a while!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

LOL!! This is the funniest thing I have read in a while!!!!

Hope and belief. The guiding principles of FCPS DL transformation when you got nothing else.

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Hope and change?

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Back to the original issue. The morning meeting is meant to build in-person community during the school year. It is not going to be effective online with a big group of kids. I would suggest that the class be divided into groups of eight, and then those eight kids meet online for fifteen minutes with the teacher, an IA, the guidance counselor, art teacher, or whoever can be free, and those groups can get to know each other over time. It would take some planning, and the morning meetings might need to be staggered throughout the day to get each elementary kid in a small group. Then the teacher leader can go over the calendar skills or talk about the number of the day and let the kids report on what pets they have, etc., and then segue into academics. This can be guided social-emotional learning and kids will get more attention and be less bored. Sitting through thirty minutes of morning meeting with 25 other kids is going to wear out the little ones. It is part of oral language development and building interpersonal skills in a regular classroom, but not online, especially not with kids that are new to each other. Get the academics across first. Arrange for kids to make social connections in small groups as needed.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the original issue. The morning meeting is meant to build in-person community during the school year. It is not going to be effective online with a big group of kids. I would suggest that the class be divided into groups of eight, and then those eight kids meet online for fifteen minutes with the teacher, an IA, the guidance counselor, art teacher, or whoever can be free, and those groups can get to know each other over time. It would take some planning, and the morning meetings might need to be staggered throughout the day to get each elementary kid in a small group. Then the teacher leader can go over the calendar skills or talk about the number of the day and let the kids report on what pets they have, etc., and then segue into academics. This can be guided social-emotional learning and kids will get more attention and be less bored. Sitting through thirty minutes of morning meeting with 25 other kids is going to wear out the little ones. It is part of oral language development and building interpersonal skills in a regular classroom, but not online, especially not with kids that are new to each other. Get the academics across first. Arrange for kids to make social connections in small groups as needed.

Our school is starting the year doing small group connection building during the Monday morning intervention block.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the original issue. The morning meeting is meant to build in-person community during the school year. It is not going to be effective online with a big group of kids. I would suggest that the class be divided into groups of eight, and then those eight kids meet online for fifteen minutes with the teacher, an IA, the guidance counselor, art teacher, or whoever can be free, and those groups can get to know each other over time. It would take some planning, and the morning meetings might need to be staggered throughout the day to get each elementary kid in a small group. Then the teacher leader can go over the calendar skills or talk about the number of the day and let the kids report on what pets they have, etc., and then segue into academics. This can be guided social-emotional learning and kids will get more attention and be less bored. Sitting through thirty minutes of morning meeting with 25 other kids is going to wear out the little ones. It is part of oral language development and building interpersonal skills in a regular classroom, but not online, especially not with kids that are new to each other. Get the academics across first. Arrange for kids to make social connections in small groups as needed.

I actually really like this idea a lot. Too bad it won’t happen.

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Anonymous wrote:My dc is logging in for math instruction and maybe language arts if it is well done. That’s it. I don’t really care what the teacher thinks.

Ok but after 15 absences, your child will be unenrolled from school.

Highly doubtful.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

Yeah professionals only improve their skills when they're on the clock and the bossman is paying...

[Anonymous]

Sounds good to me. I just wanna sleep and watch my shows.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

Yeah professionals only improve their skills when they're on the clock and the bossman is paying...

You can work yourself to your grace if you want. Most people are smart enough to not work for someone else when they aren’t employed or paid. If schools expected is to work during this time, they’d make summer contracts and pay us and put stuff out for us to do. I refuse to let the public act as if I owe them two months of unpaid labor every year.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

Yeah professionals only improve their skills when they're on the clock and the bossman is paying...

You can work yourself to your grace if you want. Most people are smart enough to not work for someone else when they aren’t employed or paid. If schools expected is to work during this time, they’d make summer contracts and pay us and put stuff out for us to do. I refuse to let the public act as if I owe them two months of unpaid labor every year.

Sounds like a teacher thing. I'm currently studying a technical skill that has nothing to do with my current employment.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

Yeah professionals only improve their skills when they're on the clock and the bossman is paying...

You can work yourself to your grace if you want. Most people are smart enough to not work for someone else when they aren’t employed or paid. If schools expected is to work during this time, they’d make summer contracts and pay us and put stuff out for us to do. I refuse to let the public act as if I owe them two months of unpaid labor every year.

Sounds like a teacher thing. I'm currently studying a technical skill that has nothing to do with my current employment.

That is a hobby.

My job is not my hobby.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

Who was asking for your sympathy? Nobody. We are explaining to you how this works. In NO year are teachers doing district training in summer because we are not, technically speaking, employed at this second. We do not earn money over the summer. Districts cannot require work new use we aren’t paid or on contract. Our contract ends 1-2 days after the last day of school and the next contract starts the first day of pre service. Every year. Always. Because contracts are legal employment documents. This isn’t hard to understand. If you expect teachers to do training over the summer that the district pushes out and requires at that time, you are essentially saying people laid off by a company should still be expected at random times to do work for that company if the company asks.

Yeah professionals only improve their skills when they're on the clock and the bossman is paying...

You can work yourself to your grace if you want. Most people are smart enough to not work for someone else when they aren’t employed or paid. If schools expected is to work during this time, they’d make summer contracts and pay us and put stuff out for us to do. I refuse to let the public act as if I owe them two months of unpaid labor every year.

Sounds like a teacher thing. I'm currently studying a technical skill that has nothing to do with my current employment.

That is a hobby.

My job is not my hobby.

Moral of the story...you're investing more time into your hobby than others are into their career.