FCPS Teachers - would you be ok with kids skipping morning meeting/afternoon wrap up?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

If these are the people who put together the packets and the idea that we need 30 min for morning meeting for 5 & 6 yos who only have about 1 hr attention span for online learning, the thought that they spent all summer developing stuff doesn't give me hope.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

If these are the people who put together the packets and the idea that we need 30 min for morning meeting for 5 & 6 yos who only have about 1 hr attention span for online learning, the thought that they spent all summer developing stuff doesn't give me hope.

I firmly believe my kids' teachers from last year will jump in on day 1 of preservice. They worked their tails off (we had some of the good ones). I do not have any hope for the instructional team at Gatehouse. For my lack of hope, I point to the summer packets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here: Morning meeting is all about building classroom community—getting to know one another, games, fun, low stakes activities. It won’t be the same as when we’re in the classroom, but it’s critical.

Please do not skip it.

This! What is wrong with you cynical negative parents! Please have a positive attitude.

[Anonymous]

What is morning meeting/ afternoon wrap up, and how do you know teachers plan on doing it during DL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is morning meeting/ afternoon wrap up, and how do you know teachers plan on doing it during DL?

Our principal communicated that these would happen. For our school, they are considered part of responsive classroom, which is the positive discipline method our school uses. They aren't quite as long in our school schedule as on the FCPS website sample for ES.

[Anonymous]

I just asked my wife for her POV on selectively picking classes for our two ES kids in order to survive the long haul. I thought I'd have to advocate that this is the best long-term strategy. Wow, she tore my head off with her passion on the subject. Said 1-2 classes per day max and reading/tutoring for everything else.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Sure, but the difference is that FCPS believes (or probably not) that they will roll out a credible DL program at scale. Given they didn't appear to do any legwork this summer, what we will realistically have is the same crap, inconsistently delivered teacher to teacher, for many more hours per day. It's just a recipe for complete failure.

My hope is that their instructional team at admin has been putting stuff together this summer and the full 3 weeks we have before kids come will be spent fully preparing for DL. I get that it can look like “nothing has been done” but that’s specifically because with teachers off contract the schools haven’t rolled anything out to us yet. The 12 month instructional employees I know in other districts have been working on stuff so I am choosing to believe the training and prep WILL be there, and teachers will jump in on day 1 of pre service.

If these are the people who put together the packets and the idea that we need 30 min for morning meeting for 5 & 6 yos who only have about 1 hr attention span for online learning, the thought that they spent all summer developing stuff doesn't give me hope.

This is where yuh also have to rely on your teachers’ expertise. IMO as a teacher, it is the district’s job to give us and the kids adequate platforms, apps and resources, and teach us how to use those. They should also be the ones making expectations crystal clear. The rest after that is on the teachers. I have faith in myself to do a good job with what I’m given as long as it’s communicated to us how to use those tools, to what extent it’s expected we use them, they have appropriate bandwidth to support everyone, and the families have a good idea what the kids need to do as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

Yes. This is true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

It won’t be PT work and teachers won’t have Mondays off. Why do you think it will be PT work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

one is asking for sympathy. They are pointing out that everyone on here bitching about how DL will fail because of the lazy teachers who want summer vacation instead of training have 0 concept of how contracts work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

It won’t be PT work and teachers won’t have Mondays off. Why do you think it will be PT work?

Because this person is angry that there isn’t school five days a week and wants to blame someone under the guise of the economy. Newsflash: FCPS is one of the largest employers in the region. What do you think will happen if all those people get laid off? They won’t be spending money. They won’t be stimulating our local economy. Let’s not even focus on what we would have to do to get back into schools when that could eventually happen. “Sorry Timmy, you can’t go to school because I demanded they fire all those lazy, worthless bus drivers and teachers, so now, we have to wait for FCPS to scrounge up some more.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s hilarious all these people who have already declared DL to be ineffective when they have literally never experienced it and they are loudly proclaiming they will only send their kid for math (because they themselves know they aren’t actually as smart as they think they are or they wouldn’t fear teaching math). And they will continue to loudly proclaim DL a failure even as they don’t participate.

So typically DC.

Brabrand has stated that they "soared" the last two months of distance learning. My child (1st) participated in EVERYTHING and it was a waste of time. She learned nothing and hated it. So, when I hear that the Superintendent say that what they offered was "soaring", please excuse my reluctance to think 2020-21 will be anything but effective.

Yep, as I understand it, teachers haven't received their schedules yet and they haven't done professional training yet. They'll just work out those details close to takeoff and/in flight. They're definitely on track to achieve that wonderful springtime soaring experience again.

This is true.

It’s also true every single year. Teachers never get schedules or attend training until pre service begins and they’re back on contract. Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of me telling you you should be answering emails at 3 am if that’s when the client sends them. Or working even on your vacation days that you took off. They are still finalizing whatever training we will get when we go back to work and that’s when we will complete it.

It’s worse than that. It’s like being furloughed for 6 weeks without pay and without expectation of pay but expected to work. These aren’t vacation days for teachers. They are off contract.

We would be a little more sympathetic if the entire FCPS wasn't off for a month and then on spring break but being paid FT meanwhile unemployment sky rocketed. And 2020-21 looks like another year of FT pay for all employees again for PT work (Mondays off, buses running for food, cafeteria staff/admins/aides etc.).

one is asking for sympathy. They are pointing out that everyone on here bitching about how DL will fail because of the lazy teachers who want summer vacation instead of training have 0 concept of how contracts work.

*no one