What is the point of AAP? I am getting to the conclusion the only real benefit is to have my child

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Anonymous wrote:No, they need to offer the WISC free for everyone at the schools. Not just some schools.

I am the PP who posted about helping my friend with the process and I think this would be fine, too. I bet FCPS could work out an arrangement with the graduate programs at various universities and make it happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

You have to look at the ethnicities that are over-represented in AAP compared with ethnicity enrollment data. That will tell you who is engaging in widespread test prepping, tutoring at early ages, etc. The only ethnicity that falls into that category is Asian American. Not every Asian American parent is doing this, of course. Not by a long shot. But there is a heck of a lot more of this behavior going on among families of Asian descent than any other race, including whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

True, but it is part of the systemic racism we are all looking to fix. If African Americans and Hispanics make up a larger percentage of lower income households and, therefore, cannot afford all of these advantages you are giving your kids, then it sets their children up to miss out on AAP curriculum and further opportunities down the road. Their children are no less smart than yours. The whole system is designed to keep rich people rich and poor people poor, and that hurts African American and Hispanic populations the most.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

True, but it is part of the systemic racism we are all looking to fix. If African Americans and Hispanics make up a larger percentage of lower income households and, therefore, cannot afford all of these advantages you are giving your kids, then it sets their children up to miss out on AAP curriculum and further opportunities down the road. Their children are no less smart than yours. The whole system is designed to keep rich people rich and poor people poor, and that hurts African American and Hispanic populations the most.

Are you saying that URMs that do not prep are no less smart than white children that do not prep but that they score lower, are admitted with lower scores, and should be, what, given more prepping, admitted at even lower scores?

No, AAP doesn't hurt African American and Hispanic populations. Young Scholars helps them, but there's no mention of that program on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

You have to look at the ethnicities that are over-represented in AAP compared with ethnicity enrollment data. That will tell you who is engaging in widespread test prepping, tutoring at early ages, etc. The only ethnicity that falls into that category is Asian American. Not every Asian American parent is doing this, of course. Not by a long shot. But there is a heck of a lot more of this behavior going on among families of Asian descent than any other race, including whites.

And the jealous racist comes out. I've been waiting for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Look at dozens and possibly hundreds of parents, students, school officials and testing company employees involved in the recent college admissions cheating scandal. Almost all of them are wealthy whites. Using legacy, contributions, connections etc. are not enough for these people. They have to bribe their way to the top schools.

Wasnt it this thread that said it was an Indian owned prep course that asked former clients to memorize one question and bring it back to be used for the next group?

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

Prepping isn't cheating but copying the test and sharing it is.

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This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

The wisc is done for free or a reduced price for those who cannot afford it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

You have to look at the ethnicities that are over-represented in AAP compared with ethnicity enrollment data. That will tell you who is engaging in widespread test prepping, tutoring at early ages, etc. The only ethnicity that falls into that category is Asian American. Not every Asian American parent is doing this, of course. Not by a long shot. But there is a heck of a lot more of this behavior going on among families of Asian descent than any other race, including whites.

And the jealous racist comes out. I've been waiting for you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Numbers don't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

You have to look at the ethnicities that are over-represented in AAP compared with ethnicity enrollment data. That will tell you who is engaging in widespread test prepping, tutoring at early ages, etc. The only ethnicity that falls into that category is Asian American. Not every Asian American parent is doing this, of course. Not by a long shot. But there is a heck of a lot more of this behavior going on among families of Asian descent than any other race, including whites.

And the jealous racist comes out. I've been waiting for you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Numbers don't lie.

I don't think she needs help sleeping, but you on the other hand seem all bent up about it. Nobody is doing anything illegal. You're just too dumb to get it. You want to penalize and criminalize people based on your flawed perception.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

Prepping isn't cheating but copying the test and sharing it is.

This. Although, if your kid needs “enrichment classes” specifically geared toward these tests in order to qualify for the program, they’ll probably crash and burn once they’re in.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

Prepping isn't cheating but copying the test and sharing it is.

This. Although, if your kid needs “enrichment classes” specifically geared toward these tests in order to qualify for the program, they’ll probably crash and burn once they’re in.

Or they would have been fine in Gen Ed except that their parents decided to push them forward. Different priorities for different families.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Prepping isn't cheating, even if it gives an advantage. Enrichment isn't cheating.

Prepping isn't cheating but copying the test and sharing it is.

This. Although, if your kid needs “enrichment classes” specifically geared toward these tests in order to qualify for the program, they’ll probably crash and burn once they’re in.

Or they would have been fine in Gen Ed except that their parents decided to push them forward. Different priorities for different families.

Well, yes. Although I would question the priorities of a family that is okay with their ES aged kid crashing and burning just so they can be in AAP. I've seen this play out in my DC's circle of AAP friends and it's not pretty.

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Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

You have to look at the ethnicities that are over-represented in AAP compared with ethnicity enrollment data. That will tell you who is engaging in widespread test prepping, tutoring at early ages, etc. The only ethnicity that falls into that category is Asian American. Not every Asian American parent is doing this, of course. Not by a long shot. But there is a heck of a lot more of this behavior going on among families of Asian descent than any other race, including whites.

And the jealous racist comes out. I've been waiting for you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Numbers don't lie.

I don't think she needs help sleeping, but you on the other hand seem all bent up about it. Nobody is doing anything illegal. You're just too dumb to get it. You want to penalize and criminalize people based on your flawed perception.

Relax. It is a fact that the testing/prepping etc. is much more prevalent in Asian American families, to give the kiddos a leg up in a competitive world. Especially amongst those that have emigrated to this country. And yes, for most kids, the extra prepping does give an advantage.