What is the point of AAP? I am getting to the conclusion the only real benefit is to have my child

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This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

I agree with that. They should take the top scores of the standardized tests and be done with it. AAP should stay as is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

I agree with that. They should take the top scores of the standardized tests and be done with it. AAP should stay as is.

White parents love to game admissions system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

How does it do that? Are you saying that psychologists can be paid off, in exchange for a good score?

FWIW, GMU offers either no or reduced cost WISC to anyone that qualifies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

How does it do that? Are you saying that psychologists can be paid off, in exchange for a good score?

FWIW, GMU offers either no or reduced cost WISC to anyone that qualifies.

I have heard of minorities appealing with a WISC because they were unfairly passed over the first time. Also, appeals really don't account for most of those admitted to AAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

I 100% agree with this. This is profoundly unfair to low income and immigrant parents who can't afford or don't know to do this. Let your kid get in on test scores and referrals like everyone else. Don't buy your kid's way in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

How does it do that? Are you saying that psychologists can be paid off, in exchange for a good score?

FWIW, GMU offers either no or reduced cost WISC to anyone that qualifies.

The problem is awareness. A lot of people don't know about the WISC option, or they don't understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

How does it do that? Are you saying that psychologists can be paid off, in exchange for a good score?

FWIW, GMU offers either no or reduced cost WISC to anyone that qualifies.

This is true, and I am not trying to knock GMU because it's very nice that they offer this service, but have you ever talked to anyone who went this route? I helped a friend navigate the system a few years ago, because GMU does not provide translators or translated materials for parents who do not speak English. Trying to schedule an appointment over the phone is not easy when you have a poor command of English. I called for my friend and made the appointment and answered the litany of questions on her behalf. Then you have to take time off work to get there during school hours. If you don't have transportation, this is a challenge. This was not an issue for my friend, but it certainly is for some families. There was a stack of paperwork that had to be filled out; again, this was all in English and some of it was not easily comprehensible even for someone who speaks and reads English quite well, for example, questions about family medical history and academic strengths of your child. I am fluent in my friend's language and had to look up a couple of the things to translate properly. Then you have to meet with the psychologist before your child goes in and answer some questions and get information about the testing process. Again, I translated this. There was not a bilingual tester available at GMU when I went with my friend. Her child speaks, reads, and writes English perfectly so this was not an issue, but it could be for some children. When we got WISCs for our own children (at our own expense), we used a psychologist who is fluent in our home language. Especially with our oldest child, we wanted to make sure there were not any problems misunderstanding questions. Anyway, my friend and I then had to return a week or so later to meet with the tester and get the results. Without getting into too many specifics, her child's score fell into the gifted range by any measure and the child was accepted into AAP and has done extremely well at the center.

My guess is that very, very few low income parents do WISC testing for AAP at GMU because it is not very convenient and the language barrier makes it difficult. I would say that if schools are going to accept WISC scores as a way to appeal, they need to make arrangements to bring the testers to some of the lower income schools and administer the tests onsite to students who have been flagged.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

How does it do that? Are you saying that psychologists can be paid off, in exchange for a good score?

FWIW, GMU offers either no or reduced cost WISC to anyone that qualifies.

This is true, and I am not trying to knock GMU because it's very nice that they offer this service, but have you ever talked to anyone who went this route? I helped a friend navigate the system a few years ago, because GMU does not provide translators or translated materials for parents who do not speak English. Trying to schedule an appointment over the phone is not easy when you have a poor command of English. I called for my friend and made the appointment and answered the litany of questions on her behalf. Then you have to take time off work to get there during school hours. If you don't have transportation, this is a challenge. This was not an issue for my friend, but it certainly is for some families. There was a stack of paperwork that had to be filled out; again, this was all in English and some of it was not easily comprehensible even for someone who speaks and reads English quite well, for example, questions about family medical history and academic strengths of your child. I am fluent in my friend's language and had to look up a couple of the things to translate properly. Then you have to meet with the psychologist before your child goes in and answer some questions and get information about the testing process. Again, I translated this. There was not a bilingual tester available at GMU when I went with my friend. Her child speaks, reads, and writes English perfectly so this was not an issue, but it could be for some children. When we got WISCs for our own children (at our own expense), we used a psychologist who is fluent in our home language. Especially with our oldest child, we wanted to make sure there were not any problems misunderstanding questions. Anyway, my friend and I then had to return a week or so later to meet with the tester and get the results. Without getting into too many specifics, her child's score fell into the gifted range by any measure and the child was accepted into AAP and has done extremely well at the center.

My guess is that very, very few low income parents do WISC testing for AAP at GMU because it is not very convenient and the language barrier makes it difficult. I would say that if schools are going to accept WISC scores as a way to appeal, they need to make arrangements to bring the testers to some of the lower income schools and administer the tests onsite to students who have been flagged.

Thank you so much for your posting!

[Anonymous]

No, they need to offer the WISC free for everyone at the schools. Not just some schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This is why parents push for AAP. They don't want their kids distracted by these elements in the classroom. Fairfax had so many ESOL kids dumped in the schools that parents with high performing students need an outlet where that wont hinder their kid's learning experience.

My white kids were in LLIV in a school in which white kids are in the minority. Their classrs included high performing students who also happened to be ESOL or the first-generation children of immigrants. Their learning experience was enhanced by having these kids in their class. The kids are not "dumped" in the schools. They reside in the county and go to the assigned school.

I hope you aren't passing these values on to your kids.

Yes. Money spent on aap should go to improve elementary schools for predominantly black students.

Parent involvement has far greater impact...

Abolish private purchase of wisc scores that allow wealthy white parents to game the aap appeals process for their snowflakes.

I agree with that. They should take the top scores of the standardized tests and be done with it. AAP should stay as is.

White parents love to game admissions system.

Based on the stats, it's not all white people. There are a lot of Asian Americans who push their kids into AAP. A more fair statement would be to simply leave it at upper middle class families, whatever their race/ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well lets be honest, look at the majority of the kids at the school. Who is it that is cheating? Don't lump everyone in there!

Look at dozens and possibly hundreds of parents, students, school officials and testing company employees involved in the recent college admissions cheating scandal. Almost all of them are wealthy whites. Using legacy, contributions, connections etc. are not enough for these people. They have to bribe their way to the top schools.