Glennon Doyle

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't get on board with Glennon Doyle or influencers like her because I can never shake the feeling they are selling me an image of perfected imperfection. Glennon's like the poster child for this but there are a lot of influencers like this. I don't count Brene Brown in that group -- Brown talks about her own life experiences and her family sometimes, but her books/talks are focused on discussion of her research and most of her books focus on the experiences of people she has interviewed in order to draw broad conclusions about shame, vulnerability, communication, etc. She's not trying to create a cult of personality around herself, even if one has kind of developed anyway. I could find out tomorrow that Brown's marriage is falling apart and her kids hate her, and I don't think it would undermine anything I've learned from her. She's very trendy now, but most of the stuff of hers I've read is along the same lines as books I read by psychologists on stuff like healing from trauma or working through marital issues. It's based on collective and common experiences of many people.

Glennon is a different deal. I use the word influencer because it's accurate. She's selling you herself, her approach to life, her history, her relationship, her family. Initially she was selling traditional Christian motherhood and family, but you know, hip. Then she left her husband and married Abby, and now she's selling an image of a nontraditional family and life and she talks about co-parenting with Abby and her ex and dealing with her experience with meeting and falling for Abby. No issues with any of that as her story and experience, I just don't like how it's packaged and branded. I don't like that Abby is on her podcast or how public they are with their relationship, just like I didn't like it when she was writing Momastery and selling her hetero marriage in the same way. It feels fake.

This will piss some people off, but Glennon Doyle is no different than, like, Rachel Hollis to me (the Girl Wash Your Face woman). These people have normal human experiences, draw a few weak initial conclusions, and then write entire books about them and build an empire around it. They don't know anything. They are no more qualified to talk about life than your neighbor or your kid's 2nd grade teacher or the guy who works at the bookstore near my house. There's no there there.

I agree that at some point she and Abby will break up, and I think Glennon will write another book about how that experience taught her blah blah blah and she'll try to sell that version of herself too. How is this different than all the blonde momfluencers on Instagram trying to convince me they're "just like me" and then sell me Ruggables or whatever? It's not. It's a hustle and nothing more.

Well-articulated and sums it up for me. I had a couple of experiences in my 20's with people who turned out to be really off and Doyle strikes the same chord with me. The oversharing, but about things SHE really wants to overshare about and package as universal experiences. It's that same feeling of someone really wanting you to bond and quickly become invested. I don't trust that. I definitely understand her appeal, however.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get on board with Glennon Doyle or influencers like her because I can never shake the feeling they are selling me an image of perfected imperfection. Glennon's like the poster child for this but there are a lot of influencers like this. I don't count Brene Brown in that group -- Brown talks about her own life experiences and her family sometimes, but her books/talks are focused on discussion of her research and most of her books focus on the experiences of people she has interviewed in order to draw broad conclusions about shame, vulnerability, communication, etc. She's not trying to create a cult of personality around herself, even if one has kind of developed anyway. I could find out tomorrow that Brown's marriage is falling apart and her kids hate her, and I don't think it would undermine anything I've learned from her. She's very trendy now, but most of the stuff of hers I've read is along the same lines as books I read by psychologists on stuff like healing from trauma or working through marital issues. It's based on collective and common experiences of many people.

Glennon is a different deal. I use the word influencer because it's accurate. She's selling you herself, her approach to life, her history, her relationship, her family. Initially she was selling traditional Christian motherhood and family, but you know, hip. Then she left her husband and married Abby, and now she's selling an image of a nontraditional family and life and she talks about co-parenting with Abby and her ex and dealing with her experience with meeting and falling for Abby. No issues with any of that as her story and experience, I just don't like how it's packaged and branded. I don't like that Abby is on her podcast or how public they are with their relationship, just like I didn't like it when she was writing Momastery and selling her hetero marriage in the same way. It feels fake.

This will piss some people off, but Glennon Doyle is no different than, like, Rachel Hollis to me (the Girl Wash Your Face woman). These people have normal human experiences, draw a few weak initial conclusions, and then write entire books about them and build an empire around it. They don't know anything. They are no more qualified to talk about life than your neighbor or your kid's 2nd grade teacher or the guy who works at the bookstore near my house. There's no there there.

I agree that at some point she and Abby will break up, and I think Glennon will write another book about how that experience taught her blah blah blah and she'll try to sell that version of herself too. How is this different than all the blonde momfluencers on Instagram trying to convince me they're "just like me" and then sell me Ruggables or whatever? It's not. It's a hustle and nothing more.

“Perfected imperfection” is such a brilliant way to sum up this genre!

+1. This post should be nominated for an award or something.

[Anonymous]

Glennon is being paid to schill for Democratic Party. First Hilary Clinton and Chelsea and that bizarre talk about (love addiction/codependency ) love and marriage as Abby chops vegetables and Glennon fawns. Now meeting with Kamala Harris and her pod squad came along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glennon is being paid to schill for Democratic Party. First Hilary Clinton and Chelsea and that bizarre talk about (love addiction/codependency ) love and marriage as Abby chops vegetables and Glennon fawns. Now meeting with Kamala Harris and her pod squad came along.

Glennon has ALWAYS been a democrat. Have you read her earlier books, posts?

[Anonymous]

I think GD's anorexia seemed so obvious from the outside-not just how she looks so frail and fried hair but also how many posts she'd make on IG about not eating dessert, eating Abby's food bc she didn't want her own, not being able to eat bc it was too much work. Hard to imagine that Abby didn't find it all super obvious and Amanda seems to struggle with similar issues. Both G and A are SO CONTROLLING-on their episodes where they talk about all the anxiety they have to perfect their surroundings and ensure no one interrupts or talks too much and how they feel they have to control their partners. I feel most sorry for Abby bc I think she's just a dumn jock and for Amanda's husband bc she seems really difficult to be around.

[Anonymous]

She posted pics from the Harris interview, and looked really unhealthy. It may have been partly because she didn't appear to be wearing makeup as she usually does (for which I give her credit, honestly), but after seeing the pics, it's hard to understand how anorexia could be a surprise diagnosis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She posted pics from the Harris interview, and looked really unhealthy. It may have been partly because she didn't appear to be wearing makeup as she usually does (for which I give her credit, honestly), but after seeing the pics, it's hard to understand how anorexia could be a surprise diagnosis.

That's precisely it, PP. They don't realize how they actually look! Its part of the disease. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Poor Abby now has to be the hero for Glennon, but it's more like she has to parent her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poor Abby now has to be the hero for Glennon, but it's more like she has to parent her.

As per the usual. Abby is a rescuer. Their dynamic is unhealthy

[Anonymous]

She seems like she has a lot of issues and drama. Very tiring.

[Anonymous]

She lost me in Untamed when she said don’t be a devoted wife and a loving mom and a responsible member of civilized society. Be a cheetah. GTFO!

[Anonymous]

You know, I have very mixed feelings about Glennon. But, I will admit that I get a lot out of some of the podcast episodes. I’m not a stan. I’m not even a fan. But some of the topics covered have been incredibly helpful to me. I do think the sister/Abby balance is key. The podcast seems to work despite Glennons personality at times.

[Anonymous]

Her silence when it comes to Israel is deafening. She is usually quick to jump on a cause and express her support for those harmed. Nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Her silence when it comes to Israel is deafening. She is usually quick to jump on a cause and express her support for those harmed. Nothing.

I'm like many, with mixed feelings about Glennon, but can't subscribe to the idea that every person with a platform has to comment or take up a cause for every crisis that occurs. I haven't seen her do that in the past, though certainly she selects causes to support. I just think, it's her business what causes she chooses to comment on or not. No one can comment or provide support in every dire situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her silence when it comes to Israel is deafening. She is usually quick to jump on a cause and express her support for those harmed. Nothing.

I'm like many, with mixed feelings about Glennon, but can't subscribe to the idea that every person with a platform has to comment or take up a cause for every crisis that occurs. I haven't seen her do that in the past, though certainly she selects causes to support. I just think, it's her business what causes she chooses to comment on or not. No one can comment or provide support in every dire situation.

Your right. I mean why should Glennon care if children and mothers are murdered when it's Jewish people. She has to think about losing followers and selling books.