"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

I'm not frustrated. I work at home normally, as does my wife. The kids' schools have already cancelled in-person classes for the rest of the school year. So my family will practice social distancing regardless of what Trump does. I just don't want to see people forced to put their health on the line for Trump's political fortunes or the stock portfolios of the wealthy. I strongly support those who believe that it is safe to open to lead the way.

omg

no one is forcing anyone to not social distance or not wear masks

there are choices in this country. People need to take responsibility for their own actions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys. Watch Contagion. It’s scary as F. We don’t want to go there. Patience.

You need to just stay put. Relax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

I'm not frustrated. I work at home normally, as does my wife. The kids' schools have already cancelled in-person classes for the rest of the school year. So my family will practice social distancing regardless of what Trump does. I just don't want to see people forced to put their health on the line for Trump's political fortunes or the stock portfolios of the wealthy. I strongly support those who believe that it is safe to open to lead the way.

omg

no one is forcing anyone to not social distance or not wear masks

there are choices in this country. People need to take responsibility for their own actions

Thank you.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

I'm not frustrated. I work at home normally, as does my wife. The kids' schools have already cancelled in-person classes for the rest of the school year. So my family will practice social distancing regardless of what Trump does. I just don't want to see people forced to put their health on the line for Trump's political fortunes or the stock portfolios of the wealthy. I strongly support those who believe that it is safe to open to lead the way.

omg

no one is forcing anyone to not social distance or not wear masks

there are choices in this country. People need to take responsibility for their own actions

Many workplaces don't allow for social distancing and masks are not sufficient to protect from infection. If workplaces begin to open in unsafe conditions, the "choices" of which you speak will be to risk your health or quit your job -- something that many people can't afford to do. So, that is not really much choice.

But, I stress again. If you believe it is safe to open up, please lead the way. Don't expect others to take risks that you won't.

[Anonymous]

The Republicans are a death cult that wants to kill poorer Americans.

[Anonymous]

Speak for yourself, 22:30.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speak for yourself, 22:30.

It's obvious.

I used to vote for Republicans. Never again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

Really?

[Anonymous]

I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Everyone should wear their face coverups like DC mayor said to, and keep your distance!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

I'm not frustrated. I work at home normally, as does my wife. The kids' schools have already cancelled in-person classes for the rest of the school year. So my family will practice social distancing regardless of what Trump does. I just don't want to see people forced to put their health on the line for Trump's political fortunes or the stock portfolios of the wealthy. I strongly support those who believe that it is safe to open to lead the way.

omg

no one is forcing anyone to not social distance or not wear masks

there are choices in this country. People need to take responsibility for their own actions

Tell that to that POS Trump who Fs up left and right and never takes responsibility for his actions. It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault.

[Anonymous]

Phase One: toilet paper ‘n takeout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Everyone should wear their face coverups like DC mayor said to, and keep your distance!

Cotton masks are not enough. The Virus laughs at those.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the discussion should be reframed a little bit to place the focus on pushy employers who will take advantage of Trump’s “open up” bullying. If employers order employees back to the office, then those employees can’t be blamed. But employees in the pvt sector have certain rights relating to join together to protest unacceptable working conditions.

Everyone should wear their face coverups like DC mayor said to, and keep your distance!

Has no one actually worked in an office? How the hell do you do that, when your cube is like 4’ away from the next guy, and you have no partitions? Not to mention, people in the same floor using the same common spaces like bathrooms and kitchens, and people in the entire building using the same elevators? And I don’t in any way deal with this general public. Jobs where one has to, significantly increases risks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

Really?

Yes. It may be horrible in other ways but China efficiently limited the spread. Partially because of extensive testing.