"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

It’s all about testing. Until we can do what Germany and South Korea have done we can’t open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s all about testing. Until we can do what Germany and South Korea have done we can’t open.

What's that exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I support daily testing for every American who can reasonably be tested. That should help until a vaccine is ready (I hope). At that point, we will have to contend with anti-vaxxers. And please ban handshakes. I know Republicans in ten gallon hats like to “judge a man by his handshake in this here country” but they can adapt.

How would you implement daily testing?

I'll leave that to the experts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I support daily testing for every American who can reasonably be tested. That should help until a vaccine is ready (I hope). At that point, we will have to contend with anti-vaxxers. And please ban handshakes. I know Republicans in ten gallon hats like to “judge a man by his handshake in this here country” but they can adapt.

How would you implement daily testing?

I'll leave that to the experts.

Fauci has no clue. I doubt he's a Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Per VP Pence, states now have enough tests for phase one. Dr. Fauci explains that the fundamental problem with screening (not the antibody) testing is that a negative test today doesn’t mean a negative test tomorrow. Tests are clearly important but not the end all be all. The normie “we need more tests” mantra needs to understand this.

BTW, they say we have enough tests for Phase One, but Phase One hardly opens anything. Beyond testing, the other factor that I believe is important for re-opening in lieu of a vaccine is the utilization of PPE. There doesn't appear to be a requirement for employers to provide that.

What kind of PPE? Full surgical garb?

Whatever it will take to prevent 600 meat packers in one factory from getting infected.

Were masks or face shields required?
They should have been.
Have you ever been to those meat warehouses in DC where restaurants get their meat? They're disgustingly filthy. You won't touch meat for a very long time if you go there. Americans put up with endless filth. Just look at the rat issues.

“The company says the difficulty in getting masks and thermal scanners led to delays in implementing safety measures.”
https://ktiv.com/2020/04/16/watch-live-gov-noem-provides-update-on-covid-19-in-south-dakota-2/

They gave the employees beard nets for masks.
This is a How to insure your employees contract communicable diseases 101 course.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52311877

[Anonymous]

Look, there is NO easy way to handle this.

We can't open up now. And we most likely can't open up next month either. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We also can't lock everyone up for 18 months either. People will go broke, commit suicide or want to kill their domestic partners from cabin fever and isolation. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We need a couple months more of stay at home. While we build up hospital infrastructure and ramp up production of testing supplies.

Then we'll need to make tradeoffs for different kinds of personal freedoms. Want to go out and see your friends? Fine, but you have to get a negative covid test first and if anyone shows symptoms, you have to take down names. The more we allow mobility, the more we may need to allow tracking and surveillance. Want to travel? Now you need medical testing to get a visa.

It is going to be HARD. Until there is a vaccine, there is GOING to be varying degrees of restriction, surveillance, repeated testing, and opening and closing of things periodically to make sure that the number of cases does not outpace hospital capacity.

[Anonymous]

This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, there is NO easy way to handle this.

We can't open up now. And we most likely can't open up next month either. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We also can't lock everyone up for 18 months either. People will go broke, commit suicide or want to kill their domestic partners from cabin fever and isolation. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

We need a couple months more of stay at home. While we build up hospital infrastructure and ramp up production of testing supplies.

Then we'll need to make tradeoffs for different kinds of personal freedoms. Want to go out and see your friends? Fine, but you have to get a negative covid test first and if anyone shows symptoms, you have to take down names. The more we allow mobility, the more we may need to allow tracking and surveillance. Want to travel? Now you need medical testing to get a visa.

It is going to be HARD. Until there is a vaccine, there is GOING to be varying degrees of restriction, surveillance, repeated testing, and opening and closing of things periodically to make sure that the number of cases does not outpace hospital capacity.

Yeah, sure.

We're reopening May 15 regardless of what happens.

[Anonymous]

No one will drag anyone out of their homes.
After all, this ain't China. If you don't feel the need to go out, you stay home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This ain't China. Not yet, anyways.

If it were, we’d be testing.

If it was, and you were a decent human being, you'd probably be "disappeared" by now.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Drs. Fauci and Birx are indeed experts to be trusted, are we to assume, then, that the administration's phased reopening plan, with the ball in states' court, with federal assistance as appropriate, has no basis in rational thought? Or are we assuming that they have become beholden to Trump and are merely doing the best they can in tough circumstances, due to Trump's egomania and other faults? If the latter, shouldn't they resign? I'm just trying to separate out the political from the rest of it, and I hope that folks are not letting their political preferences drive their opinions.

I think that both Fauci and Brix, but Brix more so, are making compromises for what they believe to be the greater good. Trump's "plan" is hardly a plan at all. It is a series of high-level guidelines. More importantly, it is not at all clear that Trump even wants to adhere to the guidelines given his tweets today about "liberating" states. What was presented yesterday overlooks or ignores much of what is needed to successfully re-open. It appears designed to allow Trump to take credit if states reopen successfully and blame the governors if things go bad.

Any chance this is why you are frustrated?

I'm not frustrated. I work at home normally, as does my wife. The kids' schools have already cancelled in-person classes for the rest of the school year. So my family will practice social distancing regardless of what Trump does. I just don't want to see people forced to put their health on the line for Trump's political fortunes or the stock portfolios of the wealthy. I strongly support those who believe that it is safe to open to lead the way.

[Anonymous]

If people are sick, they should stay home. If you decide to go out, protect yourself to the max in every possible way.

Personal responsibility, people.
Personal responsibility.
This is not china.

[Anonymous]

Guys. Watch Contagion. It’s scary as F. We don’t want to go there. Patience.