Engineering Majors and low GPAs

[Anonymous]

None of the fresh out of college engineers we hire have less than a 3.0.

Can he take fluff courses during the simmer to pad his GPA? I’d do that ASAP even if loans must be taken out to cover it.

My nephew did this and it really helped boost his 2.4 GPA. He was able to graduate with a 3.1 and got into a pretty decent program. He was premed not engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a member of recruiting at an engineering firm, I assure you we do look at the whole package but a GPA below 2.9 is a red flag. We wouldn't even consider a candidate with a GPA of 2.5 and under. Everyone assumes GPAs do not matter, just the degree. Not true and it doesn't matter what year you graduated. Of course, life experiences can easily overtake a low GPA.

What a stupid comment. There are many smart people with 2.5 GPA and lower.

The smart thing for candidates with low GPA to do is to get IT certifications like AWS, Cyber security, Microsoft Azure, etc.... Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and no certification(s)? Likely not. Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and AWS or cyber security certifications? Hell yeah. I'll hire that candidate over a 4.0 GPA candidate. I can charge the client at a much higher rate and a 4.0 GPA candidate with no certifications.

Not a stupid comment. We don't look at low GPA applicants either. And anything below 2.5 is really low.

- dp

I do a lot of hiring a low GPA with certifications would be hired over a 4.0 with no certifications. Low GPA’s does not equate to a bad hire.

Sounds like you hire for a body shop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a member of recruiting at an engineering firm, I assure you we do look at the whole package but a GPA below 2.9 is a red flag. We wouldn't even consider a candidate with a GPA of 2.5 and under. Everyone assumes GPAs do not matter, just the degree. Not true and it doesn't matter what year you graduated. Of course, life experiences can easily overtake a low GPA.

What a stupid comment. There are many smart people with 2.5 GPA and lower.

The smart thing for candidates with low GPA to do is to get IT certifications like AWS, Cyber security, Microsoft Azure, etc.... Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and no certification(s)? Likely not. Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and AWS or cyber security certifications? Hell yeah. I'll hire that candidate over a 4.0 GPA candidate. I can charge the client at a much higher rate and a 4.0 GPA candidate with no certifications.

Not a stupid comment. We don't look at low GPA applicants either. And anything below 2.5 is really low.

- dp

I do a lot of hiring a low GPA with certifications would be hired over a 4.0 with no certifications. Low GPA’s does not equate to a bad hire.

I think you need to differentiate between the IT world where certifications are important and the CS/DS world where nobody cares about certifications. I hire data science, math and computer science graduates and have never once looked at or thought about "certifications". The help desk, networking engineers, sys admins and cyber folks have lots of certifications, but that's really different from engineering/math/computer science.

I don't know what IT PP is babbling about. Engineering field is not IT field. It works very differently. We've heard you and your IT certification many times here. Go on and set up a new thread for IT kids with low GPA. Good god idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a member of recruiting at an engineering firm, I assure you we do look at the whole package but a GPA below 2.9 is a red flag. We wouldn't even consider a candidate with a GPA of 2.5 and under. Everyone assumes GPAs do not matter, just the degree. Not true and it doesn't matter what year you graduated. Of course, life experiences can easily overtake a low GPA.

What a stupid comment. There are many smart people with 2.5 GPA and lower.

The smart thing for candidates with low GPA to do is to get IT certifications like AWS, Cyber security, Microsoft Azure, etc.... Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and no certification(s)? Likely not. Am I going to hire a candidate with 2.5 GPA and AWS or cyber security certifications? Hell yeah. I'll hire that candidate over a 4.0 GPA candidate. I can charge the client at a much higher rate and a 4.0 GPA candidate with no certifications.

Not a stupid comment. We don't look at low GPA applicants either. And anything below 2.5 is really low.

- dp

I do a lot of hiring a low GPA with certifications would be hired over a 4.0 with no certifications. Low GPA’s does not equate to a bad hire.

I think you need to differentiate between the IT world where certifications are important and the CS/DS world where nobody cares about certifications. I hire data science, math and computer science graduates and have never once looked at or thought about "certifications". The help desk, networking engineers, sys admins and cyber folks have lots of certifications, but that's really different from engineering/math/computer science.

Maybe you are not informed but there are DS certifications out there. A low GPA candidate that has DS certifications will be hired over another 4.0 GPA candidate with no DS certifications.

Lol. Our DS "certifications" are usually a PhD in Math/Statistics or CS. I'm sure Strayer College has some ridiculous DS certifications they're trying to sell, but nobody doing actual data science or machine learning cares about certifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Our DS "certifications" are usually a PhD in Math/Statistics or CS. I'm sure Strayer College has some ridiculous DS certifications they're trying to sell, but nobody doing actual data science or machine learning cares about certifications.

You should tell that to people who work for Amazon because it is hard to be hired without one.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Our DS "certifications" are usually a PhD in Math/Statistics or CS. I'm sure Strayer College has some ridiculous DS certifications they're trying to sell, but nobody doing actual data science or machine learning cares about certifications.

You should tell that to people who work for Amazon because it is hard to be hired without one.

Is that how you market these poor kids at your body shop?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know what IT PP is babbling about. Engineering field is not IT field. It works very differently. We've heard you and your IT certification many times here. Go on and set up a new thread for IT kids with low GPA. Good god idiot.

Engineering is not IT field, really? Why do you have network engineering and platform engineering positions in newspapers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know what IT PP is babbling about. Engineering field is not IT field. It works very differently. We've heard you and your IT certification many times here. Go on and set up a new thread for IT kids with low GPA. Good god idiot.

Engineering is not IT field, really? Why do you have network engineering and platform engineering positions in newspapers?

What was your undergraduate major? Some type of engineer?

Because...you don’t really seem familiar with engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Our DS "certifications" are usually a PhD in Math/Statistics or CS. I'm sure Strayer College has some ridiculous DS certifications they're trying to sell, but nobody doing actual data science or machine learning cares about certifications.

You should tell that to people who work for Amazon because it is hard to be hired without one.

Strange, because my coworker with a PhD and no certification just left to go work for amazon. Gosh, I hope they don't find out he doesn't have a DS certification from Strayer!

[Anonymous]

GPA is very important. The only folks saying it isn't are parents with slacker kids trying to convince themselves otherwise.

[Anonymous]

If you had a stack of 3.0 to 4.0 GPA resumes vying for a small number of offers, why in the world would you waste time with a 2.0 to 2.9 GPA idiots? You wouldn't. You'd be not only wasting your time, you'd be risking your own skin for some proven liability. Nobody with a brain does that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GPA is very important. The only folks saying it isn't are parents with slacker kids trying to convince themselves otherwise.

Not true.

I am one of the parents of a relatively low GPA engineering kid. I am not saying GPA doesn’t matter. What I am saying is that even engineers with low GPAs land on their feet. No, they don’t get the first pick of jobs, but they don’t end up at Trader Joe’s, either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GPA is very important. The only folks saying it isn't are parents with slacker kids trying to convince themselves otherwise.

Not true.

I am one of the parents of a relatively low GPA engineering kid. I am not saying GPA doesn’t matter. What I am saying is that even engineers with low GPAs land on their feet. No, they don’t get the first pick of jobs, but they don’t end up at Trader Joe’s, either.

And... in a program where the median grade is a C in some of the weed out classes, a ton of kids have low GPAs.

Meanwhile, he’s gotten at least a B+ in every liberal arts class he took, including the one where he wrote the final paper with a concussion. I’m not going to say he’s headed to a top position, but I don’t think he’s headed to the dust bin, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the fresh out of college engineers we hire have less than a 3.0.

Can he take fluff courses during the simmer to pad his GPA? I’d do that ASAP even if loans must be taken out to cover it.

My nephew did this and it really helped boost his 2.4 GPA. He was able to graduate with a 3.1 and got into a pretty decent program. He was premed not engineering.

That is a lot of fluff!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:GPA is very important. The only folks saying it isn't are parents with slacker kids trying to convince themselves otherwise.

Not true.

I am one of the parents of a relatively low GPA engineering kid. I am not saying GPA doesn’t matter. What I am saying is that even engineers with low GPAs land on their feet. No, they don’t get the first pick of jobs, but they don’t end up at Trader Joe’s, either.

I think you just described why GPA is very important.