Friedman column--Trump's Going to Get Re-Elected, Isn't He?

[Anonymous]

Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket
Agree with 14:02

-very moderate moderate!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket
Agree with 14:02

-very moderate moderate!

This is my ideal ticket too. Glad to finally find people who agree!

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Anonymous wrote:Today's Upshot in the NYT lays out a plausible scenario where Trump wins the electoral college comfortably even if he loses the popular vote by 5 points.

That is such a nauseating possibility and the opposite of everything having to do with democracy.

yes and yes

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Anonymous wrote:Klobuchar-Buttigieg ticket
Agree with 14:02

-very moderate moderate!

This is my ideal ticket too. Glad to finally find people who agree!

I think Klobuchar still has a shot, she just needs to hang in there and get some sort of momentum boost.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a different PP. I don't think Bernie or Warren are electable. Bernie and his supporters will turn off a lot of the electorate. Warren doesn't really resonate with people and she seems really to prioritize New England (I am in California and I've heard multiple people here talk about how she doesn't know or care about the West, for instance, and I suspect the same is true in the Midwest). Biden has enormous baggage.

The problem is that Democrats need a lot of voter turnout in battleground states to win. And I don't see a single Democratic candidate that is inspiring enough to win that turnout.

It gets me really depressed.

Assuming you are being sincere - I think don't lose this race before we're even in it.

Republicans are weak. They have an incredibly weak candidate who seems to be running on a culture war platform because he doesn't really have anything else; his presidency has been a great circus and otherwise a great failure. Democrats won in 2018 by focusing on what we can do for people - how we can help them.

I think we actually have a pretty good chance in 2020. 2016 still looms large, and I think it's making many of us look for all the reasons we're going to lose again. But these racist rallies Trump has been holding are actually giving me quite a bit of hope that we could win. He's not campaigning on any kind of record - he's not drawing in anyone new. This is not the moment he's going to start acting presidential. He's going bigger, more extreme - and I really do think that a Democrat who can offer hope, and offer a real platform of how we will give people things they need, stands a great chance.

When 20k+ people show up at Trump rallies where ever he goes, I would hardly describe Rs as “weak.” Nice try though

His base loves him. He only holds rallies in places where he's got that many people ready to come to his rallies.

He is historically unpopular outside of his rabid base (no offense to rabies).

All of this may be true but still hardly the definition of “weak.” Is he bearable? Of course, in theory. By anyone the Ds have presented so far? Very doubtful

ok - you obviously have a lot at stake, believing trump is not as weak as he appears to be by every indicator, outside of his rabid base.

we've got a long way to go until 2020 - let's see how things go. i'll just say that my take right now is these rallies of his, with the shouting and the racism, look to me like a bad move.

DP. I agree that the rallies are a bad move, and this latest attack on Congresswoman Omar, et al. is pretty bad, even for Trump, but I think that assuming the racism will turn people (at least the voters crucial to an Electoral College victory) off of Trump is a mistake. Democrats need a laser focus on the swing voters in the same major EC states - PA, FL, OH, etc. - and those voters (mostly white ones) aren’t going to be outraged enough about this rhetoric to turn out for the Democrat just because of it. The Democrats will have to appeal to them on other issues besides race.

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+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

We’ll see whose strategy is more successful. I’ve got a sinking feeling it’s going to be the latter. Which says a lot about our country, not in a good way.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

We’ll see whose strategy is more successful. I’ve got a sinking feeling it’s going to be the latter. Which says a lot about our country, not in a good way.

The GOP has Russian wind in its sails, then and now.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

It shouldn’t be. There are a lot of (1) racists and (2) people who are extremely opposed to illegal immigration and (3) people who will accept anything from Trump as long as he’s for tax cutting and nominates conservative judges. And these people aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, so it’s not a bad strategy (obviously, as Trump won the presidency).

But the Democrats’ strategy truly is baffling. Most of them are advocating for positions far to the left of where most of the country, and the Obama administration is/was. When the states they have to win are (as always) swing states that are not bastions of coastal liberalism. Issues like racial justice, healthcare and other protections for undocumented immigrants, taking away private health insurance, etc. are not going to be winners there. They just aren’t. The 2020 candidates need to recognize this and change their messaging accordingly, but most of them aren’t grasping this. It’s truly baffling.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

It shouldn’t be. There are a lot of (1) racists and (2) people who are extremely opposed to illegal immigration and (3) people who will accept anything from Trump as long as he’s for tax cutting and nominates conservative judges. And these people aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, so it’s not a bad strategy (obviously, as Trump won the presidency).

But the Democrats’ strategy truly is baffling. Most of them are advocating for positions far to the left of where most of the country, and the Obama administration is/was. When the states they have to win are (as always) swing states that are not bastions of coastal liberalism. Issues like racial justice, healthcare and other protections for undocumented immigrants, taking away private health insurance, etc. are not going to be winners there. They just aren’t. The 2020 candidates need to recognize this and change their messaging accordingly, but most of them aren’t grasping this. It’s truly baffling.

I think it's super baffling that Republicans think they can be as utterly repellent as they are being, right out in the open, and it won't have consequences!

Your default seems to be that Republicans win unless perfect Democrats come to challenge them. I do not subscribe to that default. I think Republicans are repellent and going out of their way to repel moderates, white suburban women, black voters, and anyone else beyond the Trumpiest of Trumpzis.

Do I feel confident that Trump will lose? F*ck no! 2016 blindsided me and I feel like I've still got PTSD. Do I feel more confident every time I see Trump being a disgraceful fool, and his Republican buddies falling in line? Yes, I sure do.

[Anonymous]

IMO the reason why so many of these Dems are focusing on healthcare for all is because for the Dem voters, this is their #1 issue.

Not surprisingly, immigration is the #1 issue for Rs. Interestingly, immigration is also an important issue for Independents, but I tend to think that most Independents are former Rs, like myself. But for me and my family, healthcare is the #1 issue.

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Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

It shouldn’t be. There are a lot of (1) racists and (2) people who are extremely opposed to illegal immigration and (3) people who will accept anything from Trump as long as he’s for tax cutting and nominates conservative judges. And these people aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, so it’s not a bad strategy (obviously, as Trump won the presidency).

But the Democrats’ strategy truly is baffling. Most of them are advocating for positions far to the left of where most of the country, and the Obama administration is/was. When the states they have to win are (as always) swing states that are not bastions of coastal liberalism. Issues like racial justice, healthcare and other protections for undocumented immigrants, taking away private health insurance, etc. are not going to be winners there. They just aren’t. The 2020 candidates need to recognize this and change their messaging accordingly, but most of them aren’t grasping this. It’s truly baffling.

I think it's super baffling that Republicans think they can be as utterly repellent as they are being, right out in the open, and it won't have consequences!

Your default seems to be that Republicans win unless perfect Democrats come to challenge them. I do not subscribe to that default. I think Republicans are repellent and going out of their way to repel moderates, white suburban women, black voters, and anyone else beyond the Trumpiest of Trumpzis.

Do I feel confident that Trump will lose? F*ck no! 2016 blindsided me and I feel like I've still got PTSD. Do I feel more confident every time I see Trump being a disgraceful fool, and his Republican buddies falling in line? Yes, I sure do.

I wish I had your confidence. I just don’t think his antics are turning off enough voters in the STATES THAT MATTER. It’s total sh-t that that’s what it’s going to come down to. But it is. I think PP’s post is spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:IMO the reason why so many of these Dems are focusing on healthcare for all is because for the Dem voters, this is their #1 issue.

Not surprisingly, immigration is the #1 issue for Rs. Interestingly, immigration is also an important issue for Independents, but I tend to think that most Independents are former Rs, like myself. But for me and my family, healthcare is the #1 issue.

Should anyone be elected that is promising "healthcare for all"..... it will be a promise not kept. Mark my words.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. To the above. The Dems are running like the winner is going to be chosen by popular vote. It’s baffling to me.

The Republicans are running like you're going to anoint the winner at a KKK rally. It's baffling to me.

It shouldn’t be. There are a lot of (1) racists and (2) people who are extremely opposed to illegal immigration and (3) people who will accept anything from Trump as long as he’s for tax cutting and nominates conservative judges. And these people aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive, so it’s not a bad strategy (obviously, as Trump won the presidency).

But the Democrats’ strategy truly is baffling. Most of them are advocating for positions far to the left of where most of the country, and the Obama administration is/was. When the states they have to win are (as always) swing states that are not bastions of coastal liberalism. Issues like racial justice, healthcare and other protections for undocumented immigrants, taking away private health insurance, etc. are not going to be winners there. They just aren’t. The 2020 candidates need to recognize this and change their messaging accordingly, but most of them aren’t grasping this. It’s truly baffling.

I think it's super baffling that Republicans think they can be as utterly repellent as they are being, right out in the open, and it won't have consequences!

Your default seems to be that Republicans win unless perfect Democrats come to challenge them. I do not subscribe to that default. I think Republicans are repellent and going out of their way to repel moderates, white suburban women, black voters, and anyone else beyond the Trumpiest of Trumpzis.

Do I feel confident that Trump will lose? F*ck no! 2016 blindsided me and I feel like I've still got PTSD. Do I feel more confident every time I see Trump being a disgraceful fool, and his Republican buddies falling in line? Yes, I sure do.

2016 blindsided me too, although in hindsight my friend tried to warn me. She lives in the Columbus OH burbs and a few days before the election texted me something to the effect of, “no way Clinton wins OH, there are Trump signs everywhere “. I think the Clinton campaign totally misread the Midwest and I just don’t want history to repeat itself.