Here's what I don't understand about red shirting

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Anonymous wrote:There are kids who are redshirted twice (and some redshirted kids are retained). This seems to be a specific issue for specific private schools, not an issue that my public school kid will ever encounter.

If that’s the case and it’s upsetting to those parents/children, parents who send their kids to private schools are free to “vote with their dollars” and send their kids to another private school or to public school. But redshirting twice or redshirting/retaining just isn’t happening in public schools. Hell, even redshirting of non-summer birthdays is rare. Like “a small handful in an entire grade of hundreds of kids” level of rare.

I’m going to be super annoyed if all this “debate” is just a bunch of salty private school parents upset because their schools have their own cutoffs (official or “unofficial” and the parents just didn’t realize that’s how private schools do things.

It is precisely a bunch of salty private school parents whining. Redshirting is statistically relatively unusual in most public schools. It's bizarre that private school parents complain about redshirting, and combined with the fact that they frequently don't seem to be able to do basic math, I wonder about their thinking skills. It's particularly odd when they complain about redshirted kids "getting a leg up" when they are literally paying thousands of dollars every year to do the same thing on a far larger scale.

I almost feel like DCUM should have a sticky thread titled "Private School Parents Who Hate Redshirting: Here's What To Do" and then it will have a post that explains in easy-to-understand language how private school admissions work and offers a refresher on the concept of paying tuition voluntarily.

You’re making this up. - public school mom

No, it's relatively rare in public schools on average.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what I don’t understand about all of these redshirting threads. People that believe that 1 extra year can be good for their kids because it will give them more time to mature, will hold their summer kids one year. Those that believe that redshirting is bad, will make kids bored, that is so bad to have An 18-19 year old in high school, will not redshirt.
There are so many decisions that we make for our kids (always what we believe is in their best interests). Are you raising your kids believeing in God, Santa, etc? Are you teaching them math and reading at 4 or waiting until they are in elementary school? We all have different beliefs on what is best for our own (specific) kid. Why do people care so much what other people do? Are the antiredshirted (that believe that redshirting will be a negative for the older kids) so invested in otherwise kids’ lives that worry so much about their parents making the wrong decision?
Now, if you (anti-redshirter) think that redshirting is actually good for those kids, but you can’t afford it for your own, then I see why this may be upsetting... but in his case redshirting is just like anything money can buy... tutors, vacations, private schools, etc.

I see, and agree, with much of your post but I think it’s slighty different as the non-redshirting parents feel like the parenting decision of those who do red shirt affects them. As their own children will be in a peer group and compared with older kids and may be at a disadvantage.

I get it, but it’s still a mean competitive behavior. Why not look at each child independently instead of worrying at what percentage he/she falls with respect to his/her classmates? We are all adults and we know that age is not a big deal in the real world. I am sure plenty of us have bosses that are 1 or 2 years younger or employees that are older. I mentioned this before or in a separate threads, but the best student in my class (most hard working kid, not a genius) was the youngest. She actually skipped a grade and was almost 1 year younger than me and the worst student is one that had to repeat the year in high school because he failed. Where I grew up there are no sports in school and personally I don’t care much about them even now so maybe that’s different and I am sure we are all aware of Gladwell’s book that athletes that were older usually do better so maybe there is some connection between redshirting and sports, but I doubt there is one about academics (in the later years)

Actually, there's a correlation between age and IQ. Older-for-grade children are typically smarter than younger-for-grade children. Not always, as your grade -skipped student and retained student examples show.

No, there isn't. The difference is that the older kids are 12-18 months older, not smarter. I have a young for the grade and he's one of the smarter kids. If you hold your kid back and they are smart, then you just failed them.

Not at all. In the end, my kid will learn all of the same things as a kid who started a year earlier. It’s not a race to see who can finish first.

You have failed as a person if you judge others this much.

They will learn the same but you do it for your needs so you don't have to work with them or prepare them. Your kid isn't smarter, they are just dumbed down and reality is with a bit of support at home, they probably would be find going on time. You don't want to put the work into it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what I don’t understand about all of these redshirting threads. People that believe that 1 extra year can be good for their kids because it will give them more time to mature, will hold their summer kids one year. Those that believe that redshirting is bad, will make kids bored, that is so bad to have An 18-19 year old in high school, will not redshirt.
There are so many decisions that we make for our kids (always what we believe is in their best interests). Are you raising your kids believeing in God, Santa, etc? Are you teaching them math and reading at 4 or waiting until they are in elementary school? We all have different beliefs on what is best for our own (specific) kid. Why do people care so much what other people do? Are the antiredshirted (that believe that redshirting will be a negative for the older kids) so invested in otherwise kids’ lives that worry so much about their parents making the wrong decision?
Now, if you (anti-redshirter) think that redshirting is actually good for those kids, but you can’t afford it for your own, then I see why this may be upsetting... but in his case redshirting is just like anything money can buy... tutors, vacations, private schools, etc.

I see, and agree, with much of your post but I think it’s slighty different as the non-redshirting parents feel like the parenting decision of those who do red shirt affects them. As their own children will be in a peer group and compared with older kids and may be at a disadvantage.

I get it, but it’s still a mean competitive behavior. Why not look at each child independently instead of worrying at what percentage he/she falls with respect to his/her classmates? We are all adults and we know that age is not a big deal in the real world. I am sure plenty of us have bosses that are 1 or 2 years younger or employees that are older. I mentioned this before or in a separate threads, but the best student in my class (most hard working kid, not a genius) was the youngest. She actually skipped a grade and was almost 1 year younger than me and the worst student is one that had to repeat the year in high school because he failed. Where I grew up there are no sports in school and personally I don’t care much about them even now so maybe that’s different and I am sure we are all aware of Gladwell’s book that athletes that were older usually do better so maybe there is some connection between redshirting and sports, but I doubt there is one about academics (in the later years)

Actually, there's a correlation between age and IQ. Older-for-grade children are typically smarter than younger-for-grade children. Not always, as your grade -skipped student and retained student examples show.

No, there isn't. The difference is that the older kids are 12-18 months older, not smarter. I have a young for the grade and he's one of the smarter kids. If you hold your kid back and they are smart, then you just failed them.

Not at all. In the end, my kid will learn all of the same things as a kid who started a year earlier. It’s not a race to see who can finish first.

You have failed as a person if you judge others this much.

They will learn the same but you do it for your needs so you don't have to work with them or prepare them. Your kid isn't smarter, they are just dumbed down and reality is with a bit of support at home, they probably would be find going on time. You don't want to put the work into it.

I hope for the sake of your poor kids that they have a kind person somewhere in their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is what I don’t understand about all of these redshirting threads. People that believe that 1 extra year can be good for their kids because it will give them more time to mature, will hold their summer kids one year. Those that believe that redshirting is bad, will make kids bored, that is so bad to have An 18-19 year old in high school, will not redshirt.
There are so many decisions that we make for our kids (always what we believe is in their best interests). Are you raising your kids believeing in God, Santa, etc? Are you teaching them math and reading at 4 or waiting until they are in elementary school? We all have different beliefs on what is best for our own (specific) kid. Why do people care so much what other people do? Are the antiredshirted (that believe that redshirting will be a negative for the older kids) so invested in otherwise kids’ lives that worry so much about their parents making the wrong decision?
Now, if you (anti-redshirter) think that redshirting is actually good for those kids, but you can’t afford it for your own, then I see why this may be upsetting... but in his case redshirting is just like anything money can buy... tutors, vacations, private schools, etc.

I see, and agree, with much of your post but I think it’s slighty different as the non-redshirting parents feel like the parenting decision of those who do red shirt affects them. As their own children will be in a peer group and compared with older kids and may be at a disadvantage.

I get it, but it’s still a mean competitive behavior. Why not look at each child independently instead of worrying at what percentage he/she falls with respect to his/her classmates? We are all adults and we know that age is not a big deal in the real world. I am sure plenty of us have bosses that are 1 or 2 years younger or employees that are older. I mentioned this before or in a separate threads, but the best student in my class (most hard working kid, not a genius) was the youngest. She actually skipped a grade and was almost 1 year younger than me and the worst student is one that had to repeat the year in high school because he failed. Where I grew up there are no sports in school and personally I don’t care much about them even now so maybe that’s different and I am sure we are all aware of Gladwell’s book that athletes that were older usually do better so maybe there is some connection between redshirting and sports, but I doubt there is one about academics (in the later years)

Actually, there's a correlation between age and IQ. Older-for-grade children are typically smarter than younger-for-grade children. Not always, as your grade -skipped student and retained student examples show.

No, there isn't. The difference is that the older kids are 12-18 months older, not smarter. I have a young for the grade and he's one of the smarter kids. If you hold your kid back and they are smart, then you just failed them.

Several studies show it. For example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4282424/

This is not about redshirting at all though FYI. It’s about relative age within natural cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is what I don’t understand about all of these redshirting threads. People that believe that 1 extra year can be good for their kids because it will give them more time to mature, will hold their summer kids one year. Those that believe that redshirting is bad, will make kids bored, that is so bad to have An 18-19 year old in high school, will not redshirt.
There are so many decisions that we make for our kids (always what we believe is in their best interests). Are you raising your kids believeing in God, Santa, etc? Are you teaching them math and reading at 4 or waiting until they are in elementary school? We all have different beliefs on what is best for our own (specific) kid. Why do people care so much what other people do? Are the antiredshirted (that believe that redshirting will be a negative for the older kids) so invested in otherwise kids’ lives that worry so much about their parents making the wrong decision?
Now, if you (anti-redshirter) think that redshirting is actually good for those kids, but you can’t afford it for your own, then I see why this may be upsetting... but in his case redshirting is just like anything money can buy... tutors, vacations, private schools, etc.

I see, and agree, with much of your post but I think it’s slighty different as the non-redshirting parents feel like the parenting decision of those who do red shirt affects them. As their own children will be in a peer group and compared with older kids and may be at a disadvantage.

I get it, but it’s still a mean competitive behavior. Why not look at each child independently instead of worrying at what percentage he/she falls with respect to his/her classmates? We are all adults and we know that age is not a big deal in the real world. I am sure plenty of us have bosses that are 1 or 2 years younger or employees that are older. I mentioned this before or in a separate threads, but the best student in my class (most hard working kid, not a genius) was the youngest. She actually skipped a grade and was almost 1 year younger than me and the worst student is one that had to repeat the year in high school because he failed. Where I grew up there are no sports in school and personally I don’t care much about them even now so maybe that’s different and I am sure we are all aware of Gladwell’s book that athletes that were older usually do better so maybe there is some connection between redshirting and sports, but I doubt there is one about academics (in the later years)

Actually, there's a correlation between age and IQ. Older-for-grade children are typically smarter than younger-for-grade children. Not always, as your grade -skipped student and retained student examples show.

No, there isn't. The difference is that the older kids are 12-18 months older, not smarter. I have a young for the grade and he's one of the smarter kids. If you hold your kid back and they are smart, then you just failed them.

Not at all. In the end, my kid will learn all of the same things as a kid who started a year earlier. It’s not a race to see who can finish first.

You have failed as a person if you judge others this much.

They will learn the same but you do it for your needs so you don't have to work with them or prepare them. Your kid isn't smarter, they are just dumbed down and reality is with a bit of support at home, they probably would be find going on time. You don't want to put the work into it.

Of course, my kids would have been fine going on time. With no more or less effort for us because we don’t drill academics on 4yos or 5yos.

They aren’t any smarter or dumbed-down because everything is happening a year later. They are fine. Your kids are fine. We are all fine. It’s not a race.