Haycock class changes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

Then move and send your children to Bailey’s.

Here comes the Harvard Debate winner!

Who are you? The prompter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What will be interesting is if teachers attend the PTA meeting. Many are very opposed and may plan to leave, though would need some sort of rec from admin - a tight spot. And if they attend, how far can they push it? As a parent, I wholeheartedly disagree with the changes, but even more so in the delivery.

I have no dog in this debate, but it seems to me that if there are a lot of parents who oppose this change they need to be reaching out now to the Region 2 administrators (Pearson and Zuluaga) and the local school board member (Strauss), rather than (1) getting into an open fight with the principal and then possibly (2) putting the regional administrators in a position where they feel obligated to back up the principal.

good suggestion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

So, Bailey’s and Bailey’s Upper has more experienced teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

So, Bailey’s and Bailey’s Upper has more experienced teachers.

I don't know about that, but I met one that told me they switched out their entire reading program 2 years after they had just bought the previous one. So some of the extra money they get seems to be going to curriculum materials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you know they do not cost more? Are you one of those teachers?

In order for a teacher to specialize in a subject, he/she needs additional training and education, specialization. These usually come in the form of Master's Degrees, and they do cost money. After a teacher achieves this specialization, s/he demands a higher salary, and rightfully so, because now s/he is more specialized, and can demand higher pay.

Nothing is for free, and don't try to pretend that Haycock is some utopia, where teachers do things only out of their good heart. If so, they'd work for free.

Because I looked at the budget and pay scale, all public information. Bailey's and Bailey's Upper ES get the most money.

So, Bailey’s and Bailey’s Upper has more experienced teachers.

I don't know about that, but I met one that told me they switched out their entire reading program 2 years after they had just bought the previous one. So some of the extra money they get seems to be going to curriculum materials.

Most of the extra money they get is from the feds. If you want access to it, you need to send your child to a school that is a Title I school.

[Anonymous]

Bailey's Upper is a high FARMS school in a converted office building directly off Route 7 near Seven Corners. Not many parents are going to sign up for that, regardless of how much it receives in Title 1 money.

[Anonymous]

Parent of a Haycock kid here. I think there are a couple issues at play. One is the change itself and whether or not it's a good thing... Second is how it's being rolled out. I am sure there are a million articles on the topic but the first couple I skimmed seem to indicate that the jury is still out on departmentalizing for elementary school. For example: https://www.weareteachers.com/should-elementary-schools-deparmentalize-we-look-at-the-pros-and-cons/

I hope people can go in with an open mind and not assume this is just another hare-brained idea from Mr. Donnelly that he is rolling out without doing any consultation. Unfortunately with how he apparently rolled it out, people are biased against the change from the beginning.

I'd like to see a working group of teachers and maybe parents put together and come back with a recommendation... seems like there's enough time to do that and still implement it for next year and that would lower the risk of a teacher exodus.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like Haycock has a hard time retaining teachers regardless, if they have been leaving in droves for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of a Haycock kid here. I think there are a couple issues at play. One is the change itself and whether or not it's a good thing... Second is how it's being rolled out. I am sure there are a million articles on the topic but the first couple I skimmed seem to indicate that the jury is still out on departmentalizing for elementary school. For example: https://www.weareteachers.com/should-elementary-schools-deparmentalize-we-look-at-the-pros-and-cons/

I hope people can go in with an open mind and not assume this is just another hare-brained idea from Mr. Donnelly that he is rolling out without doing any consultation. Unfortunately with how he apparently rolled it out, people are biased against the change from the beginning.

I'd like to see a working group of teachers and maybe parents put together and come back with a recommendation... seems like there's enough time to do that and still implement it for next year and that would lower the risk of a teacher exodus.

Definitely agree that some sort of collaboration between the administration and the teachers would be a great development. Parents could certainly be involved, but if the teachers and administration can't communicate, let's fix that first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Haycock has a hard time retaining teachers regardless, if they have been leaving in droves for years.

They have only been leaving in droves since the new principal arrived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parent of a Haycock kid here. I think there are a couple issues at play. One is the change itself and whether or not it's a good thing... Second is how it's being rolled out. I am sure there are a million articles on the topic but the first couple I skimmed seem to indicate that the jury is still out on departmentalizing for elementary school. For example: https://www.weareteachers.com/should-elementary-schools-deparmentalize-we-look-at-the-pros-and-cons/

I hope people can go in with an open mind and not assume this is just another hare-brained idea from Mr. Donnelly that he is rolling out without doing any consultation. Unfortunately with how he apparently rolled it out, people are biased against the change from the beginning.

I'd like to see a working group of teachers and maybe parents put together and come back with a recommendation... seems like there's enough time to do that and still implement it for next year and that would lower the risk of a teacher exodus.

Definitely agree that some sort of collaboration between the administration and the teachers would be a great development. Parents could certainly be involved, but if the teachers and administration can't communicate, let's fix that first.

I think this is a fine idea and that you would have a ton of support from parents and teachers. Given that Donnelly announced the policy change as a fait accompli, I think it safe to assume that he would only agree to the working group idea under enormous pressured.

[Anonymous]

A bunch of misinformation and mischaracterization in this thread. I think the point is less about which curriculum is correct, and more about teacher morale. The principal is making decisions in a way that is crushing morale, and the school is losing good teachers. It is important for a school to retain experienced teachers to help mentor the new ones coming in and to carry on school traditions. We cannot keep losing this many teachers every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A bunch of misinformation and mischaracterization in this thread. I think the point is less about which curriculum is correct, and more about teacher morale. The principal is making decisions in a way that is crushing morale, and the school is losing good teachers. It is important for a school to retain experienced teachers to help mentor the new ones coming in and to carry on school traditions. We cannot keep losing this many teachers every year.

thank you! spot on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A bunch of misinformation and mischaracterization in this thread. I think the point is less about which curriculum is correct, and more about teacher morale. The principal is making decisions in a way that is crushing morale, and the school is losing good teachers. It is important for a school to retain experienced teachers to help mentor the new ones coming in and to carry on school traditions. We cannot keep losing this many teachers every year.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Haycock has a hard time retaining teachers regardless, if they have been leaving in droves for years.

They have only been leaving in droves since the new principal arrived.

In that same time Chesterbrook and Kent Gardens have also seen teachers leaving in droves. It is more than just the Principal.