6 Baltimore public schools where not a single student tested "proficient"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Urban vs rural crime rates.


https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf

DP. How does the opioid epidemic figure in to those statistics? I assume ODs are counted separately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Urban vs rural crime rates.


https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf

DP. How does the opioid epidemic figure in to those statistics? I assume ODs are counted separately?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935688/

they also have more cancer, strokes, accidental deaths, (i forget the 2 other)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If you think crime rates in rural areas are even remotely comparable to crime rates in say. West Baltimore, you are a special kind of stupid.

A lot of people think they're experts on crime statistics in West Baltimore because they watched The Wire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone in this discussion realizes that almost all of the problems facing poor inner city dwellers (i.e. African-Americans) are the same as rural whites - drugs, teenage births, obesity, dependence on welfare, etc... only for rural whites we seem to blame it all on a lack of jobs and not the culture. We don't say the meth head in rural WVA needs to pull himself up by his own bootstraps, we say the problem is hopelessness due to jobs moving overseas. Yet, the problems,causes and culture are very similar.

I think you need to look more towards rural white areas. When plants leave small towns for overseas, when computers and robots take over jobs, when farming becomes extinct, and online sales take over, there is not enough employment to sustain them. Many can't afford to live in the cities. Many can't afford to sell their house because it is upside down because no one wants to move there. Many have no transportation. Many lovely towns have gone to shit because the government does not step in to help. And by help I mean offer massive tax cuts to companies who open up in small towns, set up computer tech schools, and encourage colleges to build satellite schools nearby. No only to help educate but bring in tons of jobs.

The government has spent a fortune on inner cities to no avail. Inner city families have walkability and public transportation to get to jobs. There is no reason to be unemployed living in a city.

Except that the jobs aren't in the "inner cities", therefore "inner city" families can't walk to the jobs, and public transportation takes forever, when it even runs at all.

Really? Baltimore and DC have some of the best public transportation. That is a pretty pathetic excuse for why you can't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone in this discussion realizes that almost all of the problems facing poor inner city dwellers (i.e. African-Americans) are the same as rural whites - drugs, teenage births, obesity, dependence on welfare, etc... only for rural whites we seem to blame it all on a lack of jobs and not the culture. We don't say the meth head in rural WVA needs to pull himself up by his own bootstraps, we say the problem is hopelessness due to jobs moving overseas. Yet, the problems,causes and culture are very similar.

Except rural whites don't kill each other like ducks in a shooting gallery. Story in this morning's Post. FIVE members of a Baltimore high school graduating class were shot to death this year.

Plenty of shootings among rural whites. Plenty of early deaths from other causes as well.

This "poor black people in cities are worse than any other poor people anywhere" stuff has got to stop.

Can you find me any rural area in America that have 35 wounded from gun shots like Chicago had in 2 days this past weekend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Really? Baltimore and DC have some of the best public transportation. That is a pretty pathetic excuse for why you can't work.

It might be some of the best public transportation in the US, but it still doesn't easily or conveniently get poor people from where they live to where the jobs are, and especially not outside of regular commuting hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone in this discussion realizes that almost all of the problems facing poor inner city dwellers (i.e. African-Americans) are the same as rural whites - drugs, teenage births, obesity, dependence on welfare, etc... only for rural whites we seem to blame it all on a lack of jobs and not the culture. We don't say the meth head in rural WVA needs to pull himself up by his own bootstraps, we say the problem is hopelessness due to jobs moving overseas. Yet, the problems,causes and culture are very similar.

Except rural whites don't kill each other like ducks in a shooting gallery. Story in this morning's Post. FIVE members of a Baltimore high school graduating class were shot to death this year.

Plenty of shootings among rural whites. Plenty of early deaths from other causes as well.

This "poor black people in cities are worse than any other poor people anywhere" stuff has got to stop.

Can you find me any rural area in America that have 35 wounded from gun shots like Chicago had in 2 days this past weekend?

Can you find me any other urban area in America with similar numbers?

Or a rural area with 2.7 million people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous[b wrote:]Just make it easier to get birth control period. [/b]

I went with a friend from the neighborhood to get the pill, my mother (we were middle class) got it for me. Her mother, not so much. Her mother had her at 16/17 and her grandmother had her mother at 14! She didn't want to be that. They wouldn't give it to her without parent there.

She got pregnant a few years later and I went to college.

They don't want to be on birth control!! Most of these girls get pregnant on purpose.
I worked as an RN in ob/gyn clinics in Baltimore for year (at Johns Hopkins Bayview, Harbor Hospital and Mercy Medical Center).
I love working with this population but no, they're not getting pregnant because of a failure or lack of birth control.
The vast majority of it is purposeful---the problem is MUCH bigger than a birth control access one (i.e. how can we change their entire world view so that they have bigger goals than having a baby at 15?)

[Anonymous]

previous poster again--
My post should have read
"I worked as an RN at ob/gyn clinics in Baltimore for YEARS (not a year).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]Just make it easier to get birth control period. [/b]

I went with a friend from the neighborhood to get the pill, my mother (we were middle class) got it for me. Her mother, not so much. Her mother had her at 16/17 and her grandmother had her mother at 14! She didn't want to be that. They wouldn't give it to her without parent there.

She got pregnant a few years later and I went to college.

They don't want to be on birth control!! Most of these girls get pregnant on purpose.
I worked as an RN in ob/gyn clinics in Baltimore for year (at Johns Hopkins Bayview, Harbor Hospital and Mercy Medical Center).
I love working with this population but no, they're not getting pregnant because of a failure or lack of birth control.
The vast majority of it is purposeful---the problem is MUCH bigger than a birth control access one (i.e. how can we change their entire world view so that they have bigger goals than having a baby at 15?)

Completely true. Anyone who works with this population of young women will tell you the same thing.

Agree that it would be immensely helpful to address the issue of helping young girls want more than just another baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Urban vs rural crime rates.


https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_UrbanRural-508.pdf

DP. How does the opioid epidemic figure in to those statistics? I assume ODs are counted separately?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3935688/

they also have more cancer, strokes, accidental deaths, (i forget the 2 other)

As far as illegal drug addiction of all types, Baltimore city's population has fallen under 700,000 and it has an estimated 70,000 drug addicts among its residents.

1 in 10 city residents are addicted. Astounding but sadly true.

Worse still, the problem tends to concentrate in certain city neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]Just make it easier to get birth control period. [/b]

I went with a friend from the neighborhood to get the pill, my mother (we were middle class) got it for me. Her mother, not so much. Her mother had her at 16/17 and her grandmother had her mother at 14! She didn't want to be that. They wouldn't give it to her without parent there.

She got pregnant a few years later and I went to college.

They don't want to be on birth control!! Most of these girls get pregnant on purpose.
I worked as an RN in ob/gyn clinics in Baltimore for year (at Johns Hopkins Bayview, Harbor Hospital and Mercy Medical Center).
I love working with this population but no, they're not getting pregnant because of a failure or lack of birth control.
The vast majority of it is purposeful---the problem is MUCH bigger than a birth control access one (i.e. how can we change their entire world view so that they have bigger goals than having a baby at 15?)

taught HS for many years in very challenging schools

Girls have babies b/c they 1) think they're cute (until they realize the responsibility) and 2) want a purpose in life.

very sad all around

agree - BC is available!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone in this discussion realizes that almost all of the problems facing poor inner city dwellers (i.e. African-Americans) are the same as rural whites - drugs, teenage births, obesity, dependence on welfare, etc... only for rural whites we seem to blame it all on a lack of jobs and not the culture. We don't say the meth head in rural WVA needs to pull himself up by his own bootstraps, we say the problem is hopelessness due to jobs moving overseas. Yet, the problems,causes and culture are very similar.

I think you need to look more towards rural white areas. When plants leave small towns for overseas, when computers and robots take over jobs, when farming becomes extinct, and online sales take over, there is not enough employment to sustain them. Many can't afford to live in the cities. Many can't afford to sell their house because it is upside down because no one wants to move there. Many have no transportation. Many lovely towns have gone to shit because the government does not step in to help. And by help I mean offer massive tax cuts to companies who open up in small towns, set up computer tech schools, and encourage colleges to build satellite schools nearby. No only to help educate but bring in tons of jobs.

The government has spent a fortune on inner cities to no avail. Inner city families have walkability and public transportation to get to jobs. There is no reason to be unemployed living in a city.

Except that the jobs aren't in the "inner cities", therefore "inner city" families can't walk to the jobs, and public transportation takes forever, when it even runs at all.

Really? Baltimore and DC have some of the best public transportation. That is a pretty pathetic excuse for why you can't work.

Baltimore's public transportation is nothing like DC's and it's horrible. If you happen to live and work on the lightrail, you might be ok, but otherwise you're looking at spending hours traversing by bus. Buses that don't appear to follow a schedule, and put your safety at risk in some cases.