What elementary school on The Hill?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many IB kids at Peabody and Ludlow-Taylor left to go to Mundo Verde this year, considering the huge MV expansion.


+1. I'm guessing a lot.


I wonder how many are going to leave Brent or Maury for MV? MV has a middle school and a feeder HS. Brent and Maury feed into nothingness as early as 6th.


Well, it seems that there is one family leaving Brent for MV because they are interested in an expeditionary immersion program. Conversely, families attending SWS, LT and Peabody are still finding ways to transfer to Brent. The grass is always greener . . .
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!


Huh? You need to get out more and walk due east.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


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To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!


Huh? You need to get out more and walk due east.


Seriously. No one in their right mind would call Tyler "fine."
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I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!

"Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness

"Not Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner
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I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!

"Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness

"Not Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner


Yay! We made the cut!
Future L-T parent =)
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I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!

"Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Brent
Maury
Ludlow Taylor
SWS
Peabody/Watkins
Van Ness

"Not Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools
Tyler Spanish
JO Wilson
Payne
Tyler
Miner


i would have to edit the "Fine" Cap Hill DCPS Elementary Schools to include Capitol Hill Montessori. Many happy families there including myself. I also have several friends who are very happy with JO Wilson and Tyler Spanish.
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Back to OP's initial question, which seems to have been more or less forgotten. Although I am sure that you can mine the information from earlier discussions, here a few salient pros and cons:

Although Brent has an excellent ECE program with a Reggio-inspired curriculum, it has become more and more difficult to get into PK. In fact, about ten families with an older sibling already at the school were shut out in this year's lottery.

Brent has managed to maintain small class sizes, with three classrooms for each grade between K and 4.

Brent has one of the finest Science teachers in DCPS.

Brent will be hiring 3-4 aides to partner with classroom teachers next year and provide greater opportunities for intervention and differentiated learning.

Brent has a robust music and performing arts program, while the visual arts program is lackluster.

Several of Brent's teachers and staff live in the neighborhood snd have children who attend the school.

Brent will be hiring a new teacher to relaunch the world language program as it transitions from Chinese to Spanish.

Brent has become less diverse in racial and socioeconomic terms as the IB population of the school continues to increase.

Brent has high quality extracurricular programs including chess, tennis, soccer, running, tots gymnastics, dance, labyrinth games, etc. However, the aftercare program itself could be vastly improved.

There is generally a positive sense of community at Brent and children frequently cross paths in a variety of settings across the Hill.

I hope this type of specifics helps.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


Jefferson is undeniably outperforming SH in student progress. That likely reflects that the school is meeting the needs of its students of color in a way that SH is not. SH has always been fine for advanced students regardless of race, but there is a large performance gap along racial lines. SH is bigger and provides at least some advanced coursework for those capable. SH (and by extension its feeders) are not meeting the needs a lot of students.


The stats don't bear out much of what you're saying. Yes, Jefferson is seeing more progress and meeting the needs of students of color better than SH. But SH has a smaller percentage of kids who are advanced in math than Jefferson does. I don't know what each school does for the couple dozen kids in each grade who are advanced in math and/or reading (separate classes? pull outs? in-class enrichment? all of these, if executed well, can be successful) whatever it is, it's working better at Jefferson than at SH. You can tell this from the median growth percentiles. Those are in the equity reports available at
http://osse.dc.gov/node/739452. MGP is a measure of how much kids grow compared to kids throughout the district who had the same starting point. So a kid who scored in the 25th percentile on last year's CAS is compared to the others who scored at that percentile to see who made more progress, and kids who were at the 90th percentile are compared to each other. The whole idea is for it to be a way of comparing schools while excluding the fact that kids at some schools come in a lot more prepared than kids at other schools.

The DC average is 50. Stuart-Hobson's overall MGP was 36 in math and 49 in reading. Jefferson's overall was 57 in math and 54 in reading. You're right that SH's MGP is especially low for black students and those kids receiving FARMs. But they are also lower than the DC average for white non-Hispanic students: 47 and 57 for math and reading, compared to DC averages of 59 and 62, respectively. So even those kids are not progressing particularly well; they just came in higher and stagnated.
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But Tyler and Van Ness also feed into Jefferson. Are you saying those aren't Hill schools either?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


Jefferson is undeniably outperforming SH in student progress. That likely reflects that the school is meeting the needs of its students of color in a way that SH is not. SH has always been fine for advanced students regardless of race, but there is a large performance gap along racial lines. SH is bigger and provides at least some advanced coursework for those capable. SH (and by extension its feeders) are not meeting the needs a lot of students.


The stats don't bear out much of what you're saying. Yes, Jefferson is seeing more progress and meeting the needs of students of color better than SH. But SH has a smaller percentage of kids who are advanced in math than Jefferson does. I don't know what each school does for the couple dozen kids in each grade who are advanced in math and/or reading (separate classes? pull outs? in-class enrichment? all of these, if executed well, can be successful) whatever it is, it's working better at Jefferson than at SH. You can tell this from the median growth percentiles. Those are in the equity reports available at
http://osse.dc.gov/node/739452. MGP is a measure of how much kids grow compared to kids throughout the district who had the same starting point. So a kid who scored in the 25th percentile on last year's CAS is compared to the others who scored at that percentile to see who made more progress, and kids who were at the 90th percentile are compared to each other. The whole idea is for it to be a way of comparing schools while excluding the fact that kids at some schools come in a lot more prepared than kids at other schools.

The DC average is 50. Stuart-Hobson's overall MGP was 36 in math and 49 in reading. Jefferson's overall was 57 in math and 54 in reading. You're right that SH's MGP is especially low for black students and those kids receiving FARMs. But they are also lower than the DC average for white non-Hispanic students: 47 and 57 for math and reading, compared to DC averages of 59 and 62, respectively. So even those kids are not progressing particularly well; they just came in higher and stagnated.


Jefferson is interesting. It used to have a really great reputation, but went downhill after the principle left (or so I understand). In the broader community, I think people still have a memory of it being a solid place, which may mean that ambitious OOB families seek it out.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!


Huh? You need to get out more and walk due east.


In defense of PP, her characterization was clearly with respect to MOST elementary schools. By definition, MOST does not encompass ALL. Is is that irksome that she might very well live IB for Brent?
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Here: Jefferson from 1997, a "highly sought after" school for parents seeking an academic environment. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1997-09-28/news/1997271035_1_jefferson-metal-detector-model-of-efficiency
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


Jefferson is undeniably outperforming SH in student progress. That likely reflects that the school is meeting the needs of its students of color in a way that SH is not. SH has always been fine for advanced students regardless of race, but there is a large performance gap along racial lines. SH is bigger and provides at least some advanced coursework for those capable. SH (and by extension its feeders) are not meeting the needs a lot of students.


The stats don't bear out much of what you're saying. Yes, Jefferson is seeing more progress and meeting the needs of students of color better than SH. But SH has a smaller percentage of kids who are advanced in math than Jefferson does. I don't know what each school does for the couple dozen kids in each grade who are advanced in math and/or reading (separate classes? pull outs? in-class enrichment? all of these, if executed well, can be successful) whatever it is, it's working better at Jefferson than at SH. You can tell this from the median growth percentiles. Those are in the equity reports available at
http://osse.dc.gov/node/739452. MGP is a measure of how much kids grow compared to kids throughout the district who had the same starting point. So a kid who scored in the 25th percentile on last year's CAS is compared to the others who scored at that percentile to see who made more progress, and kids who were at the 90th percentile are compared to each other. The whole idea is for it to be a way of comparing schools while excluding the fact that kids at some schools come in a lot more prepared than kids at other schools.

The DC average is 50. Stuart-Hobson's overall MGP was 36 in math and 49 in reading. Jefferson's overall was 57 in math and 54 in reading. You're right that SH's MGP is especially low for black students and those kids receiving FARMs. But they are also lower than the DC average for white non-Hispanic students: 47 and 57 for math and reading, compared to DC averages of 59 and 62, respectively. So even those kids are not progressing particularly well; they just came in higher and stagnated.


Didn't you just confirm PP's claims (the stats DO, not don't, bear out what PP claims)? Am I missing something?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm neighbors with 2 rising first graders from Peabody, and both families have told me that almost the entire class is going to Watkins. A few more classes like that and Watkins will be a different place.


I'm the parent of a rising First Grader from Peabody who will be going to Watkins. I currently only know of two kids (from a total of four classes) in the entire school NOT going to Watkins. I'm sure there are more than a handful, but, honestly, I just don't know of more than two, and I've been asking....(and I presently haven't heard of anybody going to MV, though maybe my kid's in another circle.)

As for SES status, if it's any indicator, I've been to A LOT of birthdays that cost over $500. And The school's starting to look like a mini-Boden catalog.

There's also a visible demographic shift between my K child's class and my Pk3 child's. (The PK3 class is diverse, but my impression--based on no hard-data, but impressions from fellow parents--is that it's more uniformlyl higher SES.)


I'm the parent of a rising 2nd grader at Watkins. The vast, vast majority of kids in PK4 have continued to 1st grade at Watkins, I haven't heard of any 1st graders who aren't continuing to 2nd (though I'm sure there will be some), and we've had many conversions with other parents (yes, lawyers, etc.) who really hope and plan for the cohort to continue through to Stuart Hobson.

If you're interested, see this relatively recent thread with several hundred posts: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/461253.page (Watkins Parents: How pleased are you? How optimistic?)


PP what are your impressions of Watkins so far? Do you feel like your child is getting a good education? Did your kid's class have any behavioral issues that you didn't feel were adequately addressed?

If you magically got into SWS or Brent tomorrow, would you stay at Watkins?


Short version: yes, good education; impressed with academic progress ; from child reports, no behavioral issues beyond what you'd expect from pretty much any group of 6&7 year olds.

Long version: see earlier thread.

also https://twitter.com/MsDrummAP https://twitter.com/MrLawsonAP http://www.capitolhillclusterschool.org/our-schools/watkins-elementary/new-at-watkins-elementary - obviously not a unbiased picture, but gives you a sense of things that are going on.

As to switching to SWS or Brent, would not switch because of continuity problems. If we had been able to start out in one of those schools, maybe. My sense is that upper elementary is more of a sure thing at those schools, but there wouldn't be the continuity through middle school (Stuart Hobson), and from what I've heard, having a good peer group is especially important at those ages.


you do know that SH has a lower percentage of students who are proficient or better in math (and a lower percentage of kids who are advanced in math) than Jefferson, right? In reading, Stuart Hobson has 61% proficient and Jefferson has 45%, so there is admittedly a distinction there. Jefferson has more than twice the in-bounds percentage of Stuart-Hobson, too. Learndc no longer seems to have the 2014 equity reports posted, but the most recent stats I could find showed a higher median growth percentile at Jefferson than Stuart-Hobson. So I'm not sure that S-H is the only middle school option for kids on the Hill that can provide a "good peer group." Unless you think kids need to be white to be good peers, in which case yes, there are about 40 at Stuart Hobson.


I'm not the poster you are quoting, but it seems more likely that the poster does not consider Jefferson as a Capitol Hill middle school. It's in SW by the waterfront. It may be a better school academically than SH, but SH is an easy walk, scooter or bike ride for middle school kids that actually live on the Hill. I'm a Brent parent and I would rather enroll my child at SH for that reason rather than Jefferson. Jefferson just isn't in my neighborhood-- SH is. Quite galling that Brent doesn't feed into the neighborhood middle school. When Hine middle school was available, it made sense to not have Brent feed SH since Hine was only 4 blocks from Brent. but now? I don't understand it.

To the subject at hand, Brent is fine, so are most of the elementary schools on the Hill. Find a house you love and enjoy! I don't think you will regret it! Good luck!


Huh? You need to get out more and walk due east.


In defense of PP, her characterization was clearly with respect to MOST elementary schools. By definition, MOST does not encompass ALL. Is is that irksome that she might very well live IB for Brent?


No, not irksome. But I think she's ignorant outside of the Brent boundary, and thus should only opine on what she knows. You too, for that matter.
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Anonymous wrote:But Tyler and Van Ness also feed into Jefferson. Are you saying those aren't Hill schools either?


No, Van Ness isn't on the Hill and neither is Jefferson. Capitol Riverfront or Navy Yard or whatever you want to call it isn't part of the Hill anymore than the residential areas of SW south of the Freeway. If it were, then Amidon would be considered to be a Hill elementary school and realtors would be marketing properties in SW as the Hill. Brent hasn't sent an IB kids to Jefferson in recent memory, SY 2015-16 will be the first year that Tyler feeds to Jefferson, and Van Ness will not be graduating a Fifth Grade class until the Spring of 2021. Is there something that I might have overlooked?
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