Official Ebola update thread

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Does anyone remember when Osama got killed? We woke up one morning and boom, dead, as far as we civilians were concerned. Obama - of whom I am no fan due to his center-right governing and frequent attempts to negotiate with Republicans, whose governance style can be best described as "domestic terrorism" at this point - even appeared jovial at some big deal dinner. So I kind of guess (and hope) that there are numerous preparations to which we are not privy.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

Bridezilla wanted to plan her wedding.

She'll definitely go down in the annals of horrible brides...

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.

Tgank you. Outstanding post. We must have cofee sometime

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Err coffee

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Osama got killed? We woke up one morning and boom, dead, as far as we civilians were concerned. Obama - of whom I am no fan due to his center-right governing and frequent attempts to negotiate with Republicans, whose governance style can be best described as "domestic terrorism" at this point - even appeared jovial at some big deal dinner. So I kind of guess (and hope) that there are numerous preparations to which we are not privy.

Shall we say planes are still flying? Abrupt cut-off hasn't happened. Visa still good. Thousands of US soldiers going to Liberia. Some CIC.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html

Cleveland has better health care so it would not make sense to fly to Dallas.

True. The Cleveland Clinic, University Hospital, etc. The city can't catch a break. It needs to be renamed or something.

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Anonymous wrote:"We will from this moment forward ensure that no other individual who is being monitored for exposure undergoes travel in any way other than controlled movement," Dr Frieden said, meaning, for example, in chartered flights or ambulances."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29632433

Doesn't this seem like it was a common sense action that should've been done from the outset?

Why is the CDC always one step behind?

Also, please tell me they will now monitor every passenger on that plane. Though seeing how effective they've been so far, I doubt it.

It's not just the plane - it's anyone who was behind her in her travels - public bathroom, cab, coffee shop.

This is why I worry about unrestricted travel from West Africa. How do we know what public bathrooms they will contaminate. On airplanes, airports, coffe shops. Everyone is mad the nurse traveled but it is even worse that more people like Mr. Duncan will be roaming free to spread Ebola.

But Obama says you can't get it sitting next to a person on a bus. So since he is our president how is a bus different from a plane? Obama thinks it's ok for people like Duncan to fly on in and so does Jesse Jackson. If those countries were Finland, Denmark, and Sweden I bet our admin would have reacted .....

Obama says that because the scientist who discovered the virus said that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sierraleone/11002041/I-would-sit-next-to-Ebola-sufferer-on-Tube-says-scientist-who-discovered-deadly-virus.html

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember when Osama got killed? We woke up one morning and boom, dead, as far as we civilians were concerned. Obama - of whom I am no fan due to his center-right governing and frequent attempts to negotiate with Republicans, whose governance style can be best described as "domestic terrorism" at this point - even appeared jovial at some big deal dinner. So I kind of guess (and hope) that there are numerous preparations to which we are not privy.

These two situations are not comparable. The killing of Bin Laden was a counter-terrorism decision that required the utmost secrecy in planning and execution.
This Ebola “outbreak” in Dallas is a public health situation that requires total transparency, communication, and public information.
If there are “numerous preparations” going on, it is not about Ebola. If they were, they would have shared these with the public.
These two situations cannot be compared.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.

Oh please. Ebola isn't something new. Not here before but as a medical professional she has a clue. Unless she was living under a rock she knows how irbid transmitted. She knows that if she is monitoring herself for a fever it is because they are concerned she could be have been infected. Nothing about that says I should get on a plane. Even if she didn't know about Evola before and hadn't ever treated a person with Ebola don't you think she would have done some research? Simple google search? Talked to coworkers? she had a clue. Again, it was inconvenient for her to cancel a trip.

[Anonymous]

The CDC website has had detailed Ebola guidance and instructions for hospitals and health care workers on its website for months. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/index.html Texas Presbyterian is a large urban hospital with its own, apparently incompetent, infectious diseases staff. No one wore full PPE for the 1st 3 days Duncan was in the hospital?? Are you kidding me? Some guy jokes on a plane that he has Ebola after sneezing and 4 guys in hazmat suits show up to escort him off. But a guy from Liberia, with a 103 fever, who's projectile vomiting, having continuous diarrhea and bleeding from his eyes doesn't merit the hazmat suits?? It's not the CDC's job to hold everyone's hands when a hospital can't even get the basics right.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.

Tgank you. Outstanding post. We must have cofee sometime

[Anonymous]

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.
Oh please. Ebola isn't something new. Not here before but as a medical professional she has a clue. Unless she was living under a rock she knows how irbid transmitted. She knows that if she is monitoring herself for a fever it is because they are concerned she could be have been infected. Nothing about that says I should get on a plane. Even if she didn't know about Evola before and hadn't ever treated a person with Ebola don't you think she would have done some research? Simple google search? Talked to coworkers? she had a clue. Again, it was inconvenient for her to cancel a trip.

Western doctors and nurses are trained before heading to Africa to treat ebola patients. I don't think it is too much to ask for our doctors and nurses here to be trained as well on PPE. Personally, I prefer my doctors and nurses to be trained by experts instead of Google.

According to at least one report linked to in an earlier post, the nurse was not aware of a fever before flying.

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Anonymous wrote:The CDC website has had detailed Ebola guidance and instructions for hospitals and health care workers on its website for months. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/index.html Texas Presbyterian is a large urban hospital with its own, apparently incompetent, infectious diseases staff. No one wore full PPE for the 1st 3 days Duncan was in the hospital?? Are you kidding me? Some guy jokes on a plane that he has Ebola after sneezing and 4 guys in hazmat suits show up to escort him off. But a guy from Liberia, with a 103 fever, who's projectile vomiting, having continuous diarrhea and bleeding from his eyes doesn't merit the hazmat suits?? It's not the CDC's job to hold everyone's hands when a hospital can't even get the basics right.

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Anonymous wrote:I felt bad after the first nurse got it but this second one must be a complete fucking idiot. She exposed her entire family? Wtf? Is she clueless? What sort of nursing school did she go to?

Agree. The first nurse only had contact with her boyfriend and dog. The second nurse already had a fever when she got on a plane! WTF!

Nurses are frequently near patients with infectious diseases (though none like ebola). Are they supposed to sit in their house the rest of lives? They stepped up to help another person and were ensured that the safety protocols would protect them. Let's keep the blame where it belongs--the CDC.

Let's not. I know personal responsibility is about dead in this day and age but she, more than the average lay person, knows about the dangers of Ebola. Nurses regularly stay home when they are sick so they don't infect patients with compromised immune systems (anyone who has worked in a hospital knows this). To think that she didn't grasp that when they told her to monitor herself for possible infection is ridiculous.

It appears she was monitoring herself. Monitoring =/= quarantine. I do not expect US hospitals and staff to be experts in an infectious disease that has never been here. That is the CDC's responsibility. The CDC should have set up regional centers with space suits so that they could be distributed when a case appeared. They should have conducted training and required all hospital staff to attend. They should've been clear about how ebola is transmitted. By not planning properly, they caused unnecessary panic and are responsible for the transmission of the disease beyond Duncan.

Tgank you. Outstanding post. We must have cofee sometime

WTF?! No one wore PPE for the first 3 days they were treating Duncan? Hadn't read that but if that's true wow. I know the nurses are now saying they were hung out to dry with little information or equipment and some of the equipment they had (presumably in the first 3 days) left their necks exposed. I'm surprised the nurses didn't walk off the job given the conditions and risk to themselves. They were obviously more at risk than the CEO who just gets up to the podium and makes a statement once a day and fields calls from the CDC but likely was sitting in his office far far away from Duncan's bodily fluids.

I feel bad for the first nurse. It seems like she did the best she could with whatever equipment and training she had and pretty much kept up the voluntary quarantine; seems like she/the other nurses weren't working immediately after they were done taking care of Duncan and she only had contact with a boyfriend and a dog. She could have easily used that time to hit the bars, visit her parents, take a trip etc. As for the second nurse -- having a harder time feeling bad. I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral. BUT she was told that they were not to travel commercially and she gets on a plane, flies to CLE, goes to Akron, stays with her family, and sees God knows how many people for wedding planning. Even if she wasn't sick during that time, THEN it's time for her flight back and she knows she has a fever but gets on a plane anyway rather than sheltering in place in Akron? Maybe she was trying to get away from her family so as not to get to the bodily fluid stage while near them but WTF!? She thinks it's better to get on a plane with 100s of people?

And I'm sorry but I'm pissed with Frontier. I get that the virus does not live long and it is possible to decontaminate, but this happens on Monday night and they are so desperate to turn a profit that the plane is back in service on Wednesday? Give me a break. Who cares if the CDC is ok with it -- the CDC is still maintaining the stance that this isn't easily communicable BUT still needs to talk to 132 people on a plane; if it's SO hard to catch -- you'd think they'd just need to talk to those on either side of her on the plane and be done. Frontier should be going above and beyond whatever the CDC requires. Even the cleaning company in Dallas that is handling the apartment and hospital has said -- better safe than sorry, we are throwing out everything that can be thrown out. Then they are dealing with the structures -- the apartment itself, the hospital building etc. The virus apparently can be killed easily -- it doesn't live for many hours and days and it can be killed with bleach, static electricity or UV light and the cleaning company is using all of those measures multiple times -- even though the CDC only requires one measure used once. Obviously Frontier has not and will not replace the interior seating, carpet and bathroom fixtures on the plane. And somehow I don't know if bleach will work on soft surfaces like that. I find it hard to believe that in 1 day they have used UV or static electricity multiple times just to be safe. More likely they did the bare minimum and said "CDC said we're good to go -- let's go, we lost a whole day's profit on Tuesday."

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Nina Pham has a go fund me. It says all of her possessions were destroyed. Also her friend on CNN said she had been wearing a full hazmat suit while treating Duncan.

http://www.gofundme.com/fsqtbo

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Anonymous wrote: I hope she'll recover and that the transfer to Emory isn't a sign of a downward spiral.

Have they said why she is being transferred to Emory? Beyond just "They've treated other patients"?

I have to think she is much sicker than Nina Pham if she is being transferred this quickly and Nina isn't. Which just leads me back to... she was sicker than they'll admit on her Monday flight. And possibly over the weekend.

I bet they were infected right around the same time. Nina went in Friday, Amber not until overnight Monday/Tuesday at the earliest.