current and potential immersion parents - watch out sneaky tactic to kick you out of bcc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parents were told by MCPS County Superintendent that MCPS would reach out to them and seek their input before making changes, and changes would not be sudden.

These were both lies. If you think parents having to monitor the agendas of BoE policy committees is adequate "outreach," I hope you never have an issue to address wiht MCPS.

+1. And if BCC Cluster reps think they're doing a good job of including the community and reflecting their views democratically because the proposed legislation was on BoE and people should have come to then.... well, then, you've got a screw loose.

If you don't like the job the BCC Cluster reps are doing, maybe you should become a rep yourself?

[Anonymous]

I'm beginning to think all this hysteria is from a single person, maybe the OP? for 12 pages someone has been insisting that this rule change is a terrible misdeed, and every time someone counters the rationale (French immersion kids dont get the same privileges, many BCC students don't stay with a single cohort for all 12 years, Spanish 7 is in fact offered at a number of schools, MCPS did in fact vet this issue over the course of several public mtgs, PTAs didn't mislead or fail to represent the small minority of their population who strongly opposes this) she comes back with a new grievance. OP/PP, we get it -- you're angry that your gambit to get your kid into BCC may not work out. But get over it already. The COSA change is a perfectly reasonable response to unreasonably overcrowded schools. And no matter what rationale you come up with next, I would bet you that most MCPS parents support measures that address overcrowding.

Doesn't mean you have to be happy about it, but for Pete's sake your insistence that everyone has done you wrong is only making it obvious that you're not fighting a heroic battle against an outrageous injustice... you just want find some hook, any hook to preserve what you thought was a ticket to a different HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to think all this hysteria is from a single person, maybe the OP? for 12 pages someone has been insisting that this rule change is a terrible misdeed, and every time someone counters the rationale (French immersion kids dont get the same privileges, many BCC students don't stay with a single cohort for all 12 years, Spanish 7 is in fact offered at a number of schools, MCPS did in fact vet this issue over the course of several public mtgs, PTAs didn't mislead or fail to represent the small minority of their population who strongly opposes this) she comes back with a new grievance. OP/PP, we get it -- you're angry that your gambit to get your kid into BCC may not work out. But get over it already. The COSA change is a perfectly reasonable response to unreasonably overcrowded schools. And no matter what rationale you come up with next, I would bet you that most MCPS parents support measures that address overcrowding.

Doesn't mean you have to be happy about it, but for Pete's sake your insistence that everyone has done you wrong is only making it obvious that you're not fighting a heroic battle against an outrageous injustice... you just want find some hook, any hook to preserve what you thought was a ticket to a different HS.

+1 well said!

[Anonymous]

Yesterday I ran into an old friend, who is in one of the W clusters, and I happened to mentioned the potential COSA change. What struck me was that his immediate response was that our kids wouldn't know anyone at the so called "home" high school they would be sent to. It just didn't sound right to him. This is probably one of the most important points that comes out of all of this. While it may be the case that COSA changes may be necessary to address overcrowding ---- the most fair and equitable solution for the kids seems to be to apply those changes to immersion lottery applicants applying for future entrance into the program, and not to those already in the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to think all this hysteria is from a single person, maybe the OP? for 12 pages someone has been insisting that this rule change is a terrible misdeed, and every time someone counters the rationale (French immersion kids dont get the same privileges, many BCC students don't stay with a single cohort for all 12 years, Spanish 7 is in fact offered at a number of schools, MCPS did in fact vet this issue over the course of several public mtgs, PTAs didn't mislead or fail to represent the small minority of their population who strongly opposes this) she comes back with a new grievance. OP/PP, we get it -- you're angry that your gambit to get your kid into BCC may not work out. But get over it already. The COSA change is a perfectly reasonable response to unreasonably overcrowded schools. And no matter what rationale you come up with next, I would bet you that most MCPS parents support measures that address overcrowding.

Doesn't mean you have to be happy about it, but for Pete's sake your insistence that everyone has done you wrong is only making it obvious that you're not fighting a heroic battle against an outrageous injustice... you just want find some hook, any hook to preserve what you thought was a ticket to a different HS.

All of the rationale has been refuted first off. Second it's besides the point. As PP stated parents/ children were sold on a certain path for their child that shouldn't be altered mid course. The obsession with BCC is yours and yours alone.

[Anonymous]

You were sold on the path to BCC? Not on the opportunity for immersion K to 8??

Your arguments to stay in a path past immersion could backfire by demonstrating that parents enter the program for reasons other than the language. Be very careful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm beginning to think all this hysteria is from a single person, maybe the OP? for 12 pages someone has been insisting that this rule change is a terrible misdeed, and every time someone counters the rationale (French immersion kids dont get the same privileges, many BCC students don't stay with a single cohort for all 12 years, Spanish 7 is in fact offered at a number of schools, MCPS did in fact vet this issue over the course of several public mtgs, PTAs didn't mislead or fail to represent the small minority of their population who strongly opposes this) she comes back with a new grievance. OP/PP, we get it -- you're angry that your gambit to get your kid into BCC may not work out. But get over it already. The COSA change is a perfectly reasonable response to unreasonably overcrowded schools. And no matter what rationale you come up with next, I would bet you that most MCPS parents support measures that address overcrowding.

Doesn't mean you have to be happy about it, but for Pete's sake your insistence that everyone has done you wrong is only making it obvious that you're not fighting a heroic battle against an outrageous injustice... you just want find some hook, any hook to preserve what you thought was a ticket to a different HS.

All of the rationale has been refuted first off. Second it's besides the point. As PP stated parents/ children were sold on a certain path for their child that shouldn't be altered mid course. The obsession with BCC is yours and yours alone.

Not really, the OP/PP is the one who seems obsessed with ensuring that her (your?) immersion kid's "rightful" place at BCC is not disturbed. It's absurd to suggest that you were "sold on a certain path" - you enrolled your child in a K-8 immersion program, and that doesn't change as a result of the COSA changes. So what's your gripe again? Oh yeah, the post-immersion HS placement. But you're not obsessed, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You were sold on the path to BCC? Not on the opportunity for immersion K to 8??

Your arguments to stay in a path past immersion could backfire by demonstrating that parents enter the program for reasons other than the language. Be very careful.

Again, BCC possessed person I'm not a RCF parent to start.

Now parents go to open houses and ask all sorts of questions about the program other than the basic fact that Immersion will be taught. For some transportation is absolutely critical. If tomorrow MCPS says bus service to central stops will end everything changes. If these same parents were told to find their own way to the school many would not accept slots. Likewise, if parents are told "...at any point in the future we can opt to send your child back to the homeschool..." How many parents would think doing immersion is worth the hassle.

The ability to continue along with the cohort is a major factor in whatever program you attend wherever it happens to be housed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You were sold on the path to BCC? Not on the opportunity for immersion K to 8??

Your arguments to stay in a path past immersion could backfire by demonstrating that parents enter the program for reasons other than the language. Be very careful.

Again, BCC possessed person I'm not a RCF parent to start.

Now parents go to open houses and ask all sorts of questions about the program other than the basic fact that Immersion will be taught. For some transportation is absolutely critical. If tomorrow MCPS says bus service to central stops will end everything changes. If these same parents were told to find their own way to the school many would not accept slots. Likewise, if parents are told "...at any point in the future we can opt to send your child back to the homeschool..." How many parents would think doing immersion is worth the hassle.

The ability to continue along with the cohort is a major factor in whatever program you attend wherever it happens to be housed.

I am also not an RCF/immersion parent, but a parent in another special program outside the BCC cluster (BCC family sending student OUTSIDE BCC cluster) who opposes the COSA change. There are many factors that go into attending a special program. Transportation is one of them. Matriculation is an important consideration as well. That our family looks at these factors as part of the decision-making process doesn't undermine the legitimacy of the receiving program.

If our magnet school didn't provide transportation, for example, many students would be unable to attend, particularly those who are less wealthy and live further away, thus undermining the equality values which were a basis for the establishment of these programs to begin with. When we ask questions about transportation, that does not prove that we are entering the program for "reasons other than" the basis of the program (language, magnet, special subject, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spanish 7 is an IB course. Span AP Language is offered as level 6 in most if not all schools; AP Lit is level 7. So pretty universal availability of Spanish through level 7. Schools offering IB Spanish 7A/B in 2012-2013:
Albert Einstein HS
Bethesda-Chevy Chase HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS

I don't quite get this. If it's only offered in these seven high schools, it's not "pretty universally available."

Students at high schools where it is not offered can go to another high school for the class.

Well, that's not always practical now is it?

My kid goes to a differen technology for math. No big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Spanish 7 is an IB course. Span AP Language is offered as level 6 in most if not all schools; AP Lit is level 7. So pretty universal availability of Spanish through level 7. Schools offering IB Spanish 7A/B in 2012-2013:
Albert Einstein HS
Bethesda-Chevy Chase HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS

I don't quite get this. If it's only offered in these seven high schools, it's not "pretty universally available."

Students at high schools where it is not offered can go to another high school for the class.

Well, that's not always practical now is it?

My kid goes to a differen technology for math. No big deal.

Different *school* for math. Easy peasy, no big deal.

[Anonymous]

If our magnet school didn't provide transportation, for example, many students would be unable to attend, particularly those who are less wealthy and live further away, thus undermining the equality values which were a basis for the establishment of these programs to begin with. When we ask questions about transportation, that does not prove that we are entering the program for "reasons other than" the basis of the program (language, magnet, special subject, etc.)

But PP, transportation to a magnet isn't the issue here. The issue is simply whether kids in a K-8 immersion program have the automatic right to go to the HS associated with elementary/middle schools where the immersion program is housed. Keeping the immersion population at their home HS doesn't undermine equality or disadvantage those who live further away from the immersion program. So what's your point exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If our magnet school didn't provide transportation, for example, many students would be unable to attend, particularly those who are less wealthy and live further away, thus undermining the equality values which were a basis for the establishment of these programs to begin with. When we ask questions about transportation, that does not prove that we are entering the program for "reasons other than" the basis of the program (language, magnet, special subject, etc.)

But PP, transportation to a magnet isn't the issue here. The issue is simply whether kids in a K-8 immersion program have the automatic right to go to the HS associated with elementary/middle schools where the immersion program is housed. Keeping the immersion population at their home HS doesn't undermine equality or disadvantage those who live further away from the immersion program. So what's your point exactly?

It is the issue PPs response was to whether things like transportation and whether kid matriculates through are considered when families sign up. These factors affect each family differently and changing mid stream is wrong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If our magnet school didn't provide transportation, for example, many students would be unable to attend, particularly those who are less wealthy and live further away, thus undermining the equality values which were a basis for the establishment of these programs to begin with. When we ask questions about transportation, that does not prove that we are entering the program for "reasons other than" the basis of the program (language, magnet, special subject, etc.)

But PP, transportation to a magnet isn't the issue here. The issue is simply whether kids in a K-8 immersion program have the automatic right to go to the HS associated with elementary/middle schools where the immersion program is housed. Keeping the immersion population at their home HS doesn't undermine equality or disadvantage those who live further away from the immersion program. So what's your point exactly?

It is the issue PPs response was to whether things like transportation and whether kid matriculates through are considered when families sign up. These factors affect each family differently and changing mid stream is wrong

white people probs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If our magnet school didn't provide transportation, for example, many students would be unable to attend, particularly those who are less wealthy and live further away, thus undermining the equality values which were a basis for the establishment of these programs to begin with. When we ask questions about transportation, that does not prove that we are entering the program for "reasons other than" the basis of the program (language, magnet, special subject, etc.)

But PP, transportation to a magnet isn't the issue here. The issue is simply whether kids in a K-8 immersion program have the automatic right to go to the HS associated with elementary/middle schools where the immersion program is housed. Keeping the immersion population at their home HS doesn't undermine equality or disadvantage those who live further away from the immersion program. So what's your point exactly?

It is the issue PPs response was to whether things like transportation and whether kid matriculates through are considered when families sign up. These factors affect each family differently and changing mid stream is wrong

white people probs

I'm not white, sorry to disappoint you...