Atlantic accommodation abuse article

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Anonymous wrote:An employer isn't going to give you extra time on a deadline because you have ADHD and slow processing speed.

Being able to work quickly and efficiently is a valuable skill that should be measured!

Employees get extensions on deadlines all the time. Stop being a prick.

But they have to ask and will be compared to the employees who don't.

Most of the time, people with these disabilities might just have to work harder than those without the...or they might have a strength in an area that makes them outproduce others in that area. Either way, another PP mentioned AI, and if anything, I believe AI will even the playing field for everyone. And watch out...some of these twice exceptional kids will probably be designing the AI that will put your ordinary kids out of work.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not a big fan of accommodations.

So, my kid with 13th percentile processing speed shouldn't get more time on tests? Why, exactly?

Wait, are we really giving kids with "slow processing speed" extra time to equalize them with kids who do not have "slow processing speed"?

Why?

Yes. Do you think kids with slow processing speed are stupid?

Processing speed is not the only element of intelligence, but it is one of the elements.

But the SAT is a test of academic readiness, not IQ. Like, the College Board explicitly says that. If it's not an IQ test, why does an element of an IQ score matter?

The purpose of the SAT is not what CB says the purpose is. The purpose of SAT is what its users say its purpose is. Those users are college admissions officers, and college admissions officers want high IQ kids and rich kids

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Anonymous wrote:An employer isn't going to give you extra time on a deadline because you have ADHD and slow processing speed.

Being able to work quickly and efficiently is a valuable skill that should be measured!

Employees get extensions on deadlines all the time. Stop being a prick.

But they have to ask and will be compared to the employees who don't.

In my workplace it is more important to do it right than to do it quickly. Those that are slower but produce better work get promoted more quickly.

You know its possible to do work quickly and correctly right? Its not an either or situation. If youre choosing between employees who produce identical work but one employee takes twice as long you'd choose the faster employee every time!

Ok, then in good news the market will totally sort this out and you don’t have to worry about it.

I can't tell if you seriously believe labor markets work perfectly and somehow automatically adjust for discrimination even if it occurs during the college admissions process

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Anonymous wrote:An employer isn't going to give you extra time on a deadline because you have ADHD and slow processing speed.

Being able to work quickly and efficiently is a valuable skill that should be measured!

Employees get extensions on deadlines all the time. Stop being a prick.

But they have to ask and will be compared to the employees who don't.

Most of the time, people with these disabilities might just have to work harder than those without the...or they might have a strength in an area that makes them outproduce others in that area. Either way, another PP mentioned AI, and if anything, I believe AI will even the playing field for everyone. And watch out...some of these twice exceptional kids will probably be designing the AI that will put your ordinary kids out of work.

AI is coming for everyone's jobs. AI will be designing itself and won't need slow kids or kids of any processing speed. It's rich that you think slow processers will have some sort of unique survival skill here.

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Anonymous wrote:An employer isn't going to give you extra time on a deadline because you have ADHD and slow processing speed.

Being able to work quickly and efficiently is a valuable skill that should be measured!

Employees get extensions on deadlines all the time. Stop being a prick.

But they have to ask and will be compared to the employees who don't.

In my workplace it is more important to do it right than to do it quickly. Those that are slower but produce better work get promoted more quickly.

You know its possible to do work quickly and correctly right? Its not an either or situation. If youre choosing between employees who produce identical work but one employee takes twice as long you'd choose the faster employee every time!

Sorry poor choice of words. When I said say "do it right" I did not simply mean "do it correctly" I meant "do it well". In my line of work, the speed just doesn't matter as much as you are assuming, and the quality between different people is much more variable and much more important than you think. My job is hard.

The people you are arguing with don't understand the idea of solving hard problems. They just want a cram sheet to memorize.

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Anonymous wrote:People with ASD can do especially well in careers that reward pattern recognition, accuracy, deep focus, routine, and rule-based thinking more than fast turn-taking or rapid oral processingm.

Common examples include software development, computer programming, data analysis, accounting, quality control, technical writing, engineering, cybersecurity, library/archive work, and some design roles. These jobs often let someone work with clear structures, predictable tasks, and objective standards, which can reduce the disadvantage of slower processing speed.

Processing speed is only one part of job performance. In roles where careful accuracy, persistence, and spotting small errors matter more than instant responses, a person with ASD may match or outperform neurotypical coworkers because the job plays to their strengths. For example, quality control or debugging can reward being meticulous over being quick.

And thanks to AI, demand for quality control is skyrocketing.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish that more of the parents on here who have kids who legitimately require accommodations could actually see the scrutiny here as a good thing, as those who falsely claim accommodations make it harder for those who truly need them. But most of those parents retreat to 'but my kid . . .' kind of arguments, and a failure to actually explain (or even be willing to have a conversation) around the nuances of when it's appropriate to have accommodations and when it's not.

Parent of a kid who has an IEP and received accommodations: A majority of the people posting here don't think anyone has a legitimate need for accommodations. They think everyone should take the same test under the same conditions, and if a kid gets a lower score (because he's ND or has a learning disability), that means he has lower cognitive aptitude, and thus will (and should) have fewer educational and professional opportunities available because he's not as bright. I don't see how scrutiny "is a good thing" here when the "scrutiny" means no one gets accommodations. I understand the concern about parents "buying test" results to get accommodations and that shouldn't be available. But let's be clear; the DCUM position is way more extreme.

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My kid has had extra time since kindergarten. Multiple teachers have agreed she needs it and would not be doing as well in school without it.

It's okay for some people to be a little slower. I am slow. I don't mean slow in the derogatory way that immature people use that word. I mean slow as in it takes me time to do things like read and write. Thankfully, I found a job that values quality over quantity and I have excelled in it. Our world needs people with all kinds of different strengths. A society loses out when it only accepts achievement that looks a certain way.

If it's ok to be slow then anyone who got extra time should have a footnote that they took the tests with extra time. It's ok to be slow, right?

Excellent point. But right now everyone who argues their kids should have extra time is vehemently opposed to the College Board indicating whether someone has had extra time. You can't have it both ways

If you indicated that the kid received extra time, it wouldn't be an accommodation. The concept of the accommodation is to prevent the disability from affecting the test score. Disclosing that the kid has extra time assumes that the extra time affected the test score. You want people to know that accommodations were granted because you don't believe the test score is accurate, given the accommodations. You might as well deny the acommodations because you reach the same result.

Eliminating the time constraint means no one would need an accommodation. It would finally be accessible and fair to all and not leave anyone behind.

They want to keep the time constraint for everyone else. Otherwise, it wouldn't TRULY measure the relative abilities of their kids against the neurotypical kids.

Again, I’m pretty uniformly hearing parents of kids with extended time saying they wish everyone could have as much time as they wanted/needed.

No becuase then it's not an "accommodation". It's needs to be better than what everyone else gets or it doesn't count.

That doesn’t even make sense. If the element doesn’t exist it doesn’t need to be accommodated. Like we don’t make kids run a mile before the test. As a result nobody asks for an accommodation on the running part of the test because there is nothing to accommodate.

But when we suggest doing away with the timing there are lots of excuses. It's not been unanimous that is the best solution. It was "logistically difficult" in one example. As if the school would get excused for not offering an accommodation due to logistics.

I think you are misinterpreting this. People are saying this is why the college board doesn’t do this. Again, CB is not predominately comprised of parents of kids who get additional time. If I was the only decision maker for college board everyone would get as much time as they want or need.

At the same time I am able to acknowledge a practical barrier on space/proctors is probably one of the reasons they don’t default to everyone getting as much time as they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish that more of the parents on here who have kids who legitimately require accommodations could actually see the scrutiny here as a good thing, as those who falsely claim accommodations make it harder for those who truly need them. But most of those parents retreat to 'but my kid . . .' kind of arguments, and a failure to actually explain (or even be willing to have a conversation) around the nuances of when it's appropriate to have accommodations and when it's not.

Parent of a kid who has an IEP and received accommodations: A majority of the people posting here don't think anyone has a legitimate need for accommodations. They think everyone should take the same test under the same conditions, and if a kid gets a lower score (because he's ND or has a learning disability), that means he has lower cognitive aptitude, and thus will (and should) have fewer educational and professional opportunities available because he's not as bright. I don't see how scrutiny "is a good thing" here when the "scrutiny" means no one gets accommodations. I understand the concern about parents "buying test" results to get accommodations and that shouldn't be available. But let's be clear; the DCUM position is way more extreme.

+100

My kid has had extra time since kindergarten. Multiple teachers have agreed she needs it and would not be doing as well in school without it.

It's okay for some people to be a little slower. I am slow. I don't mean slow in the derogatory way that immature people use that word. I mean slow as in it takes me time to do things like read and write. Thankfully, I found a job that values quality over quantity and I have excelled in it. Our world needs people with all kinds of different strengths. A society loses out when it only accepts achievement that looks a certain way.

If it's ok to be slow then anyone who got extra time should have a footnote that they took the tests with extra time. It's ok to be slow, right?

Excellent point. But right now everyone who argues their kids should have extra time is vehemently opposed to the College Board indicating whether someone has had extra time. You can't have it both ways

If you indicated that the kid received extra time, it wouldn't be an accommodation. The concept of the accommodation is to prevent the disability from affecting the test score. Disclosing that the kid has extra time assumes that the extra time affected the test score. You want people to know that accommodations were granted because you don't believe the test score is accurate, given the accommodations. You might as well deny the acommodations because you reach the same result.

Eliminating the time constraint means no one would need an accommodation. It would finally be accessible and fair to all and not leave anyone behind.

They want to keep the time constraint for everyone else. Otherwise, it wouldn't TRULY measure the relative abilities of their kids against the neurotypical kids.

This perspective exists but is uncommon. Usually among stupid people who aren't going to get benefit ultimately anyway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An employer isn't going to give you extra time on a deadline because you have ADHD and slow processing speed.

Being able to work quickly and efficiently is a valuable skill that should be measured!

Employees get extensions on deadlines all the time. Stop being a prick.

But they have to ask and will be compared to the employees who don't.

Most of the time, people with these disabilities might just have to work harder than those without the...or they might have a strength in an area that makes them outproduce others in that area. Either way, another PP mentioned AI, and if anything, I believe AI will even the playing field for everyone. And watch out...some of these twice exceptional kids will probably be designing the AI that will put your ordinary kids out of work.

AI is coming for everyone's jobs. AI will be designing itself and won't need slow kids or kids of any processing speed. It's rich that you think slow processers will have some sort of unique survival skill here.

Interesting that you are focused on "slow processors." In reality "slow processors" don't get extra time. Yes, there are kids with ADHD that may also have slow processing speed, but the processing speed issue alone will not get them the accommodation.