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Anonymous wrote:Right now the vast majority of kids at Blair SMCS come from schools not in the proposed Region 1 so presumably Einstein kids will have a better shot at that program

But the problem is that the programs MCPS has assigned to Einstein will not draw students to replace those leaving for other programs.

Kids might have a better chance of getting into Blair but who the hell will come to the design and education magnets at Einstein? Nearly every school in the county has digital art and design classes. Most schools have education programs. Who would get on a bus for classes they can take at home?

Yes, other schools are getting the same design and education magnets as Einstein, but that will simply be additive for those schools. They’ll have a magnet they never had before, and if it doesn’t take off, eh. No harm done.

At Einstein, they are effectively REMOVING magnet-style enrollment in the performing arts academy and replacing it with shitty magnets instead.

Under the DCC system, about 150 kids per year come to Einstein from other schools, many for the performing arts, plus 30 or so kids for the VAC.

In the new system, Einstein will have about 90 magnet seats per year, and no guarantee that anyone will want to fill them.

The school loses kids in the boundary study, loses more kids than it gains in the program study, so it will loses teachers and classes as well.

This proposal sucks for Einstein. Maybe it doesn’t suck for your school and that’s great, but don’t pretend it’s good for every school.

Um my family is zoned for Einstein.

My understand is that the school is over capacity and the entire point of the boundary study is to relieve schools like Einstein. So I'm struggling to understand what the problem is. Sounds like you don't like the population that might be zoned for Einstein and don't think we are good enough so you are desperate to bring in kids from other schools. What is so terrible about us?

That would be fine if the effects of redistricting were comparable across schools. They are not. Einstein is seeing a much larger cut than other nearby schools.

The initial boundary proposals remove 400-600 kids from Einstein. They remove 200-400 kids apiece from Blair and Wheaton, which have similar crowding problems. Those schools would still be over-capacity under the current maps.

Adding magnet students at BCC will put that school over capacity. Whitman’s enrollment numbers will be largely unaffected.

As for not liking the people near Einstein, I live in the walkable zone for Einstein. I’ve been here for 15 years. I love the neighborhood. I love the school and its programs and I want future kids to have the a comparable experience to what my kid has had there.

The programming change means Einstein will not be able to support its strongest programs anymore, through no fault of its own and without buy-in from the community. It would be different there was an organic reduction in interest in VAPA or IB, and requests for an education program instead.

That’s not what’s happening. There will still be regional demand for VAPA and IB, but MCPS won’t let Einstein meet that demand the way it does in the DCC. Instead, MCPS is is redirecting students interested in those programs to other buildings. Einstein gets a different menu of programs, that it will have to build from the ground up, but with reduced resources due to being a much smaller school. At the same time, legacy programs like VAPA and IB will be much weaker than they are now.

And again, none of this is being done at the behest of Einstein families or the DCC community. This is an MCPS initiative happening over the objections of local families.

Wait, so your child is already a current high schooler who won’t be affected? I somehow suspect this is more about your concern about your property values even though you won’t admit it. You think the school you are in the walk zone for will become undesirable and thus your neighborhood and house value may decline.

I somehow suspect this is more about you salivating over getting your kid into BCC or Whitman without having to shell out $3mil for a new house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

Are you the person who is frustrated that Einstein has no math courses beyond Calculus BC? I mean I would offer that going beyond Calculus BC is pretty rare for high school and that having access to increased slots at an advanced math program at a nearby HS and/or a virtual option should satisfy that need.

Einstein should really improve the classes it does offer. It's a very diverse and balanced school, more so than the other DCC schools, even with potential boundary changes and I think it will continue to be relatively desirable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

I'm an Einstein parent and I am most concerned about them fully relieving the overcrowding. If they can get rid of all those portables and just be a solid neighborhood school, that would be terrific. The VAC is excellent and I'm glad it's staying there, but the "academies" have not been important or special for my family.

[Anonymous]

Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

Omg you think you are a good writer but you are terrible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

I'm an Einstein parent and I am most concerned about them fully relieving the overcrowding. If they can get rid of all those portables and just be a solid neighborhood school, that would be terrific. The VAC is excellent and I'm glad it's staying there, but the "academies" have not been important or special for my family.

I care about the academics and course offerings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

Are you the person who is frustrated that Einstein has no math courses beyond Calculus BC? I mean I would offer that going beyond Calculus BC is pretty rare for high school and that having access to increased slots at an advanced math program at a nearby HS and/or a virtual option should satisfy that need.

Einstein should really improve the classes it does offer. It's a very diverse and balanced school, more so than the other DCC schools, even with potential boundary changes and I think it will continue to be relatively desirable.

It’s not that rare. You can go to a nearby school but parents have to drive, which does not work if you work. There is no virtual option. That would make sense. There can be at least one class of MVC. I suspect y more kids would take BC but the admin actively discourages it and forces kids into ab first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

Omg you think you are a good writer but you are terrible

Excellent rejoinder.

Now, back to reasoned debate...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

Omg you think you are a good writer but you are terrible

Excellent rejoinder.

Now, back to reasoned debate...

Nobody is debating you because nobody wants to untangle your word salad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

Einstein already has limited offerings. Einstein is going to be hit hard and not in a good way with these changes. So, yes, we are here as we care about our school and our child getting what they need.

Are you the person who is frustrated that Einstein has no math courses beyond Calculus BC? I mean I would offer that going beyond Calculus BC is pretty rare for high school and that having access to increased slots at an advanced math program at a nearby HS and/or a virtual option should satisfy that need.

Einstein should really improve the classes it does offer. It's a very diverse and balanced school, more so than the other DCC schools, even with potential boundary changes and I think it will continue to be relatively desirable.

It’s not that rare. You can go to a nearby school but parents have to drive, which does not work if you work. There is no virtual option. That would make sense. There can be at least one class of MVC. I suspect y more kids would take BC but the admin actively discourages it and forces kids into ab first.

No. You can take whichever classes you choose, assuming you've met the prerequisites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

Omg you think you are a good writer but you are terrible

Excellent rejoinder.

Now, back to reasoned debate...

Nobody is debating you because nobody wants to untangle your word salad

I have to agree with PP that I could not understand the point. Like this: "This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Man...you go do something for a few hours and this happens.

Hoping to keep that unproductive back-and-forth at bay, I'll again suggest folks look at the 10/01/2025 12:47 "needle" post back on page 4. Sure, it's important to relieve overcrowding, but it's also important to ensure relative parity of opportunity related to educational experience.

This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives.

I mean, you could argue against such alternatives, but it would be from a stance handicapped by the relatively unjust result.

Omg you think you are a good writer but you are terrible

Excellent rejoinder.

Now, back to reasoned debate...

Nobody is debating you because nobody wants to untangle your word salad

I have to agree with PP that I could not understand the point. Like this: "This thread, at least as titled, is related to the program analysis. As long as the likely effect of that plan is that, across the populations, families would more typically place the preference needle to have their child be zoned to one school instead of another (from the perspective of the likely academic opportunities between that available locally and that available via magnet, including the likelihood of being selected for a preferred magnet), and as long as there is an alternate arrangement of magnets and/or alternate resource paradigms possible that would tend to shift that average needle position to the center, it is reasonable to argue in favor of those alternatives."

I’ve seen bad English before, but this one really takes the prize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

There are a lot of Einstein parents here because there is a lot of concern at Einstein. It feels like we are being uniquely screwed over. I don’t understand moving a well established program that is extremely popular with the students to another school altogether, perhaps because they are getting nicer facilities. My older child came to Einstein not really caring much about VAPA yet it quickly became the highlight of his high school experience. I want the same for my younger kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Einstein parents taking over every single program analysis thread? There is plenty of hate to go around about the prigram analysis from every single school. Yet Einstein parents feel the need to dominate all these threads.

There are a lot of Einstein parents here because there is a lot of concern at Einstein. It feels like we are being uniquely screwed over. I don’t understand moving a well established program that is extremely popular with the students to another school altogether, perhaps because they are getting nicer facilities. My older child came to Einstein not really caring much about VAPA yet it quickly became the highlight of his high school experience. I want the same for my younger kid.

But they're not moving VAPA to Northwood. Northwood has a performing arts-focused academy already, just like Einstein does. The new program will be criteria-based, unlike either current program.