Lafayette/Bucknell vs Nescacs

[Anonymous]

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/10/iden-job-gains-obama-trump

Students graduate into different economies...show yours this graph and ask them with one they would choose for graduation. Good luck to all the soon to be unemployed econ majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Colby president has done nothing but game the rankings like NE.

Yeah I didn’t really get that comment- there’s a lot of stronger higher ed leaders in the LAC space too- Michael Roth, Maud Mendel, Hiram Chodosh…

Micheal Roth is one of the best College leaders period. I’m interested in seeing what Ian Baucomb does at Middlebury as well. In any period except now he would have been a top candidate to take over at UVA before he left for Middlebury.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Colby president has done nothing but game the rankings like NE.

Yeah I didn’t really get that comment- there’s a lot of stronger higher ed leaders in the LAC space too- Michael Roth, Maud Mendel, Hiram Chodosh…

Roth is congenial, but, unfortunately, an intellectual lightweight.

You obviously know nothing about Michael Roth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Not for nothing but I don’t think a lot of you have ever spent any time on Wesleyan’s campus. Unless by woke you mean DS can’t fly his Trump flag outside his fraternity house window without some pushback.

yeah hello - pls lets not make Wesleyan out to be some type of open-minded and balanced Mayberry. My kiddo athlete had threats carved into his dorm room door during 2020 election. And this is the most apolitical kid on earth - the wackos just saw all athletes as threats. I would think twice about encouraging your DS to be vocal about his MaGa leanings

This did not happen.

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But what has Wesleyan’s trajectory been in his 18 years. If Wesleyan were a publicly traded stock analysts would rate it Sell.

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Anonymous wrote:Most if not all of these liberal arts schools are run by liberals and more likely reaaly
Liberal. Moderate and Conservative grads from elite schools go into business CEO track or Wall Street. These college administrators have used their positions for last 20 years to carry out their political agenda. Not surprised that alumni giving rates have plummeted at these schools well documented. As a moderate my 2 schools have lost me as a contributor until changes are made and views other than woke are welcomed and many classmates have also stopped writing checks.

Pretty sure that is just dreaming on your part since many of these schools are reporting record fund raising success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Not for nothing but I don’t think a lot of you have ever spent any time on Wesleyan’s campus. Unless by woke you mean DS can’t fly his Trump flag outside his fraternity house window without some pushback.

yeah hello - pls lets not make Wesleyan out to be some type of open-minded and balanced Mayberry. My kiddo athlete had threats carved into his dorm room door during 2020 election. And this is the most apolitical kid on earth - the wackos just saw all athletes as threats. I would think twice about encouraging your DS to be vocal about his MaGa leanings

No one said it was balanced politically. But neither are most selective colleges between Virginia and New England. My point is that it’s way over billed as some blue haired woketopia relative to other schools. You’ve made this claim before that the school is inhospitable to athletes and that hasn’t been my DC’s experience. If your “apolitical” kid wanted to embrace their MAGA leanings maybe they should have looked at W&L. not the schools fault that you failed to consider fit.

and you’ve made incessant claims about how wonderfully collaborative and supportive Wesleyan is for athletes - it’s just flat out false. The student body hates the athletes and it’s likely the most siloed clique-ridden undergrad population in the US

If you’re complaining that there is an athlete/NARP divide at Wes, that is a common complaint at literally every SLAC. You’re just not going to convince me that that the student body hates aLL athletes. Hated your MAGA-loving lax bro son? maybe.

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I think this thread has officially jumped the shark. Probably time to shut this baby down.

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Anonymous wrote:But what has Wesleyan’s trajectory been in his 18 years. If Wesleyan were a publicly traded stock analysts would rate it Sell.

Yup, record apps and strong class size with a new science facility about to come online. Doesn’t have to lure kids with merit discounts. Definitely a sell.

Please go back to stroking the WASP schools.

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Total dollars are up mainly from a few large donors. Well documented alumni annual giving rates are down. Schools like Holy Cross school with perhaps highest giving rate, Notre Dame and maybe Davidson are outliers as these 3 are more moderate. Whole thread on here recently about Princeton’s decline and Duke is also much lower. Would be interested in what Vanderbilt’s alumni giving rates is now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But what has Wesleyan’s trajectory been in his 18 years. If Wesleyan were a publicly traded stock analysts would rate it Sell.

Yup, record apps and strong class size with a new science facility about to come online. Doesn’t have to lure kids with merit discounts. Definitely a sell.

Please go back to stroking the WASP schools.

This one doesn't prefer WASP, they are a full blown SLAC hater with fever dreams of campus unrest between Athletes/NARPs at these "failing institutions" completely opposite of reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Total dollars are up mainly from a few large donors. Well documented alumni annual giving rates are down. Schools like Holy Cross school with perhaps highest giving rate, Notre Dame and maybe Davidson are outliers as these 3 are more moderate. Whole thread on here recently about Princeton’s decline and Duke is also much lower. Would be interested in what Vanderbilt’s alumni giving rates is now.

This is mostly incorrect.

Giving rates across the board have dropped across the board but not significantly at top schools. A quick review of giving rates and trends shows that Princeton is has the highest giving rate and that they are are an outlier because they are a University. Of the top 10 schools for giving rates 4 are NESCAC schools and 9 are SLACS. Of the top 20 schools 18 are SLACs which say a lot about how their Alumni feel about the education that they received. The outliers are Princeton and West Point. The only schools in the top 20 with increasing giving rates are West Point and St. Thomas Aquinas, a small non-selective Catholic liberal arts school in CA. Davidson and Holy Cross are top 10 schools for giving rates but both are declining like the others. Vanderbilt doesn't make the top 50 for giving rates and most Ivies outside of Princeton have giving rates that are about half of the top NESCAC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Colby president has done nothing but game the rankings like NE.

Yeah I didn’t really get that comment- there’s a lot of stronger higher ed leaders in the LAC space too- Michael Roth, Maud Mendel, Hiram Chodosh…

Roth is congenial, but, unfortunately, an intellectual lightweight.

You obviously know nothing about Michael Roth.

Mr. Roth is not congenial?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Wiliams, and Bowdoin will weather the demographic cliff with their $2 billion endowments. Colby and Holy Cross have 2 of the best Presidents in higher education. IMO, Colgate had 3,000 app drop, Midd smaller decine but rankings have nosedived probably more than any other LAC. Forget Conn College, Trinity has seen much better days. Bucknell
Lafayette, and Lehigh fighting it out for kids who see Pennsylvania as a destination(yikes). Wesleyan and Bates carving out the really woke crowd. Lesser prestige schools like Hobart and St. Lawrence in tough spots.

Colby president has done nothing but game the rankings like NE.

Yeah I didn’t really get that comment- there’s a lot of stronger higher ed leaders in the LAC space too- Michael Roth, Maud Mendel, Hiram Chodosh…

Roth is congenial, but, unfortunately, an intellectual lightweight.

You obviously know nothing about Michael Roth.

Mr. Roth is not congenial?

Nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But what has Wesleyan’s trajectory been in his 18 years. If Wesleyan were a publicly traded stock analysts would rate it Sell.

Yup, record apps and strong class size with a new science facility about to come online. Doesn’t have to lure kids with merit discounts. Definitely a sell.

Please go back to stroking the WASP schools.

A new science facility, because Wesleyan is way behind its competition in resources for the sciences and for years has been dragging its feet. Every WASP school and even lower tiers like Bowdoin and Middlebury updated their science facilities before Wesleyan- Hell CLAREMONT MCKENNA, with its fake science program, got a whole building up and new curriculum before Wesleyan.