20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Minneapolis Star tribune reports that Robin Westman is believed to be the shooter. She was 23, and her family may have had a connection to the church.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-shooting-annunciation-church/601462164

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
He killed himself with a self-inflicted gunshot, ONLY when the cops showed up with their guns.

If ONLY some trained person had been on site with a weapon to IMMEDIATELY shoot back at him, rather than having to wait for law enforcement.

Parkland had School Resource Officer Peterson on the grounds and armed, but he refused to enter the school until backup and SWAT arrived.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

Try to get a gun in Japan and let us know how that goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
He killed himself with a self-inflicted gunshot, ONLY when the cops showed up with their guns.

If ONLY some trained person had been on site with a weapon to IMMEDIATELY shoot back at him, rather than having to wait for law enforcement.

Real life is not like a movie. Most people are going to hesitate, get nervous, or panic in these situations. That is not a reliable option.

Liar. Trained and experienced armed people are essential.

Read up about Parkland.

[Anonymous]

Liberal family raised him, not surprised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

Lawsuits filed by the ACLU in the 1970s prevent involuntary hospitalizations.

https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/myths/aclu-mental-health-liberties.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

I agree we should emulate Japan. It also has very strict gun control laws-any gun owner has to undergo a background check, a home visit, psychological evaluation and mandatory training.

[Anonymous]

The shooter was transgender.

[Anonymous]

You know what I’m getting from this post. The left blames the right the right blames the left.
Nothing will change until this changes.
We need to make changes without all the name calling and incorrect insults being hurled at each other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The suspect in the Minneapolis, Minnesota, shooting at a Catholic school and church has been identified as Robin Westman, who posted a manifesto on social media just two hours ago, including a video showing the words “kill Donald Trump” written on a gun.

A confirmed white male. I’m not surprised.

A confirmed trump-hater who targeted Catholic children. I’m not surprised.

I'm not surprised that you will make this about your disgusting politics instead of a country with easily accessible guns that are killing our children, STFU!

The country has tens of millions of guns already in circulation. Banning them won’t do anything. The issue is institutionalizing these nut jobs and throwing away the key. Notice how mass shootings became a regular thing after Reagan opened the mental institutions? Attrocities like this didn’t happen in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Guns were around then too.

We need to commit way more people to mental asylums starting now or more children will die.

I assume disagreeing with Ronald Reagan is far right now, huh?

That's your opinion not a fact. Australia removed guns from circulation in 1996 for all but law enforcement officials after a mass shooting and hasn't had a mass shooting since then.

No. Mass. Shooting. Since. 1996. in. Australia.

We have them weekly in the USA.

UK did something similar after a mass shooting.

Only the US throws up its hands and says, "It's too hard.. wah".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what I’m getting from this post. The left blames the right the right blames the left.
Nothing will change until this changes.
We need to make changes without all the name calling and incorrect insults being hurled at each other.

The fighting is going to lead to the same outcome that happens every time, nothing changes, we fight about it again in couple of months with the next one happens, rinse and repeat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

Lawsuits filed by the ACLU in the 1970s prevent involuntary hospitalizations.

https://mentalillnesspolicy.org/myths/aclu-mental-health-liberties.html

I am saddened and deeply disappointed in what the ACLU turned into over the years. It’s just sad and pathetic now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The shooter was transgender.

A deranged, evil man.

[Anonymous]

I thought prayer in schools would solve this problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what I’m getting from this post. The left blames the right the right blames the left.
Nothing will change until this changes.
We need to make changes without all the name calling and incorrect insults being hurled at each other.

I don’t blame the left, I blame the doctors that put him on drugs and the parents that told him you can be whatever gender you want to.