How do guys feel about a woman who had plastic surgery?

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Anonymous wrote:FYI, Botox might be linked to ALS. The type of ALS that starts in the mouth disproportionately strikes older women, who also happen to be the target market of Botox.

Data: https://www.ehealthme.com/ds/botox/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis/

Of the nearly 70,000 users who reported side effects using Botox, 16 have reported having ALS. That’s your link? Do people even read and think about the links they post?

I had bad side effects once- vision, head ache, heavy eyes- and I doubt my Derm “reported it” anywhere when I went to two week follow-up.

She got into CYA mode pretty quickly and even when asked what would she do differently next time she said she wouldn’t administer to me.

So someone knows something, they just aint talking.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

Claudia Schiffer shouldn’t walk out of her house. Non supermodel women shouldn’t feel less than by her natural beauty.

You know what really shows your age? A 90s supermodel reference.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

Claudia Schiffer shouldn’t walk out of her house. Non supermodel women shouldn’t feel less than by her natural beauty.

You know what really shows your age? A 90s supermodel reference.

So it’s ok to condemn a woman for plastic surgery and her age too?

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

Nutjob attacker Pp is up already?

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

It can also be part of a system that makes people feel good about themselves. We've never had as much control over our own appearances as we do today.

My breast augmentation made me feel like myself again after three rounds of nursing. Shame on anyone who would attempt to make me feel like a societal problem simply because I took advantage of modern medicine to look the way I did pre pregnancies. You don’t want plastic surgery? No problem. But don’t try to shame me for my choice which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I never understand these “made me feel like myself again” posts. You are a woman who nursed three children. That’s who you are. You are not some teenager.

Actually I am an adult woman who made the choice to restore the fullness of my breasts post children and my choice has no bearing on your life. (Also, the husband is pleased!)

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Anonymous wrote:So I think I can spot when someone has botox. But truthfully I think it's better than furrowed brows and deep creases.

Kind of. Some can’t make a decent happy face the way their forehead and eyebrows barely move or eyes look up.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't want to be married to a woman who would spend money on that. I'm not rich enough for it.

lol!

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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is that a lot of these “influencers” that my DD might look at on social media are doing Botox, fillers, etc in their twenties. And they are advertising products and skin care - there’s such an obsession with perfection. If anyone on social media has a natural line or wrinkle, it stands out. It’s unusual. But yeah, the procedures are starting very early.

I loathe the gigantic lips. I really hope that trend dies. But I’m not a man - not sure if they have any idea what’s fake.

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Between all the BS social media filters, air brushing and then the early age Botox pushed and fillers and lifts before age 40, seems like priorities for women in some circles are sinking lower and lower. Vainer and vainer.

Worse is the internet influencers encouraging procedures and pricey products for tweens and teens.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

It can also be part of a system that makes people feel good about themselves. We've never had as much control over our own appearances as we do today.

My breast augmentation made me feel like myself again after three rounds of nursing. Shame on anyone who would attempt to make me feel like a societal problem simply because I took advantage of modern medicine to look the way I did pre pregnancies. You don’t want plastic surgery? No problem. But don’t try to shame me for my choice which has absolutely nothing to do with you.

I never understand these “made me feel like myself again” posts. You are a woman who nursed three children. That’s who you are. You are not some teenager.

Actually I am an adult woman who made the choice to restore the fullness of my breasts post children and my choice has no bearing on your life. (Also, the husband is pleased!)

+10! People need to mind their own damn business. If you’re happy (and I’m sure your DH is) then good for you. All the haters are just that, haters.

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Anonymous wrote:It really doesn’t matter what the man thinks anyone. It should always be what the woman wants. It’s her body.

On an individual level, sure. But when this stuff becomes commodified and reinforced over and over through marketing and social media as something a woman is expected to do in order to be (or remain) desirable, it’s a problem. We’ve got 10 year old hooked on skin serums intended for middle-aged women now. The industry is just priming the pipeline for future Botox customers. (Or facelift, eye job, whatever…) When we shrug it off as no big deal, we’re essentially making it more acceptable to pitch to younger and younger people who really don’t need it.

It’s not a woman’s responsibility to deny herself Botox or a nose job because some younger person might then want it. Do you feel the same way about makeup? Hair dye? Orthodontics? Fashion?

It’s not your job to deny yourself, but at least accept that you’re participating in a system whose existence depends on making women feel bad about themselves. All of those other things you mentioned are also part of it to some extent, but thankfully none of them involve general anesthesia or the risk of permanent disfigurement.

You know what permanently disfigured me? Pregnancy. Very happy I was able to get a tummy tuck to restore my strength, mobility and ability to feel confident walking around naked.

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I'm not sure DH knows I had rhinoplasty when I was young. He's not observant enough to study childhood pictures at my parent's house, and it was done well before we met. He also has no idea I've been getting Botox for over ten years (we have our own credit cards from before marriage).

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure DH knows I had rhinoplasty when I was young. He's not observant enough to study childhood pictures at my parent's house, and it was done well before we met. He also has no idea I've been getting Botox for over ten years (we have our own credit cards from before marriage).

Plastic surgery is something you should probably disclose if you're planning to have kids. He might figure it out when your kids are a bit older. You'll be like the PP who has "no idea" where her kid inherited the large ears.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure DH knows I had rhinoplasty when I was young. He's not observant enough to study childhood pictures at my parent's house, and it was done well before we met. He also has no idea I've been getting Botox for over ten years (we have our own credit cards from before marriage).

Plastic surgery is something you should probably disclose if you're planning to have kids. He might figure it out when your kids are a bit older. You'll be like the PP who has "no idea" where her kid inherited the large ears.

Maybe. If our kids get my nose instead of his (so far, they appear to have his nose), and they want a correction, I'll take care of it. Knowing DH, he doesn't care. The only time he's ever said anything negative about plastic surgery is when he sees something that has been botched. He hadn't noticed when a neighbor got a facelift other than to say, "Wow, she looks refreshed." When my friend got a tummy tuck and breast lift, he mentioned she looked like she'd been working out. I think he's a typical man with other things on his mind. We're doing fine financially, so those who react negatively because they believe plastic surgery (or botox, or whatever else people are rejecting) is a waste of money have different and inapplicable life circumstances.

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I just want to point out that plastic surgery is, by definition, repair or reconstruction that is usually covered by insurance.

Reconstruction of breasts after breast cancer treatment = plastic surgery

Breast augmentation to improve appearance = cosmetic surgery

So if you're going to reject people based on their medical history, it's good if you clarify whether you're specifically targeting cancer victims, or whether you're targeting women with anxiety about appearance. I'm curious which population you're condemning as morally inadequate.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that plastic surgery is, by definition, repair or reconstruction that is usually covered by insurance.

Reconstruction of breasts after breast cancer treatment = plastic surgery

Breast augmentation to improve appearance = cosmetic surgery

So if you're going to reject people based on their medical history, it's good if you clarify whether you're specifically targeting cancer victims, or whether you're targeting women with anxiety about appearance. I'm curious which population you're condemning as morally inadequate.

Yeah! Let’s lump in cancer patients and burn victims with vanity $7k boob jobs, $5k tummy tucks and $400 a pop Botox.

Makes sense to me. Or maybe it’s all the face chemicals and toxics unelected to pump in my body to look good.