I’m not a big “don’t recline” person, but …

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Anonymous wrote:I’m 5’8” with long legs. When the person in front of me reclines, as, yes, they are entitled to do, the seat hits my knees. I don’t recline because I won’t put whoever is behind me through what I have to deal with. I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you. And at 5’8”, which is not that tall, I shouldn’t have to (and can’t afford) comfort plus. My two cents.

See, and I promise I do not mean this as an insult, I think you sound like a martyr who is trying to prove to yourself how superior you are without even being willing to treat yourself as an equal to everyone else who paid for the same basic economy seats. I think it's deeply rooted insecurity.

It sounds like someone who was conditioned to make themselves and their needs and wants disappear. I think it's overcorrection rather than politeness, and it results in people who won't speak up to the person/business when something truly rude or uncalled for happens to them. The people I know like this just complain about things being unfair to them and don't seek appropriate solutions that they are entitled to.

Where on earth did you get that vibe from their post? I am tall with long legs and I knew exactly what they meant. I don’t recline either because of how much it infringes on my space when the person in front of me does. But as long as planes have reclining seats, it is definitely someone’s right to recline.

The two inch poster must not have much experience with someone’s seat in their space making it difficult to reach into your carryon under your seat, or have your tray table right up against you when the seat in front is reclined making it uncomfortable.

Again, it’s the airlines who need to correct this. Not everyone can afford to upgrade on every flight. People aren’t wrong to recline but people are naive if they think it doesn’t negatively impact the person behind them.

I got that vibe from, "I guess I’m just more considerate than some of you," combined with experiencing people I know who say that kind of thing.

To add, it's not my (or that poster's) responsibly to do for someone else what they can do for themselves or to protect them from the consequences of their own choices. They could have upgraded their seat, not traveled, etc.

I think what people call politeness goes too far into martyrdom when you are trying to "fix" things like this for other people by making yourself have a worse time. It's essentially making yourself unequal to them. I'm not saying intentionally be rude. I'm just saying that not everything that affects someone else is by definition rude. Why can't someone recline if that makes their experience better and it just be deemed neutral and not selfish or less polite?

because by making yourself comfortable you are inconveniencing someone else. this is fundamental to sharing public space. you don’t take up more space than you are entitled to pursuant to social norms. social norms are absolutely now that you only recline if it’s a night flight and time to sleep.

I'm the PP and sort of see your point, but at an extreme (which I've seen play out very badly), it becomes that your very existence is the inconvenience to someone else. And I think we got to that place from older norms, especially in the south, to never be a bother.

I think realizing that reclining when it really helps you is an acceptable thing to do is helping balance the martyr side with the self-advocacy side. Practicing these small things can really help those people who were never supposed to be seen or heard.

If you want not to recline in order not to (potentially) inconvenience someone else because that's your value system, and then go on about your business, that shows good character. The poster I originally said sounded like a martyr is judging herself as good because she's so polite and judging others as bad because they are less polite. I don't think that helps society or her and oftentimes people like that end up resenting being "polite" so much, which causes more problems for others.

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So strange to me that the complaint is that a small woman reclined, but I trust that the same complaint wouldn’t be lodged against a tall man.

Plane seats recline. If someone chooses that option for their comfort, your complaint is really that the seats recline at all.

A small woman shouldn’t have to be less comfortable in a ticket she paid for than a tall
Man. Women are entitled to take on the same amount of space and resources as everyone else. They don’t have to make themselves smaller, quieter, or less comfortable than anyone else.

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I rarely (as in can’t remember the last time) use the preposterously stingy “recline” function on the ridiculously small, narrow poorly padded, crowded airline seats I find myself in. But the airline in its wisdom left that function in place, so I, like everybody else on the plane, know that the person in front of me might use it, just like they might drink beer that smells bad to me, get up and down inflight to take things out of the overhead, or bulge bodily into “my space.”

I don’t like being “reclined on,” but I don’t get the angst.

And there is a small subset of the population with enough back trouble that the little bit of tilt typically available makes a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:… is it really necessary for an extremely short woman to keep her seat *fully reclined* for the full duration of a 4 hr daytime trip? Come on lady.

Curious as to why she would be less entitled to recline than others. You don't know anything about what back problem she suffers from, or really, anything else about her.

She can recline all she wants, but it's still low class behavior.

and self righteous behavior is complaining about people doing something that she's entitled to that you don't like

The vast majority of people don't like it when someone in front of them reclines. But you obviously don't give a F about them. If you did, you wouldn't recline.

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Anonymous wrote:… is it really necessary for an extremely short woman to keep her seat *fully reclined* for the full duration of a 4 hr daytime trip? Come on lady.

Curious as to why she would be less entitled to recline than others. You don't know anything about what back problem she suffers from, or really, anything else about her.

She can recline all she wants, but it's still low class behavior.

and self righteous behavior is complaining about people doing something that she's entitled to that you don't like

The vast majority of people don't like it when someone in front of them reclines. But you obviously don't give a F about them. If you did, you wouldn't recline.

The vast majority of people just recline their seat when someone in front of them reclines. And don't stroke out over it.

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I recline about half the time (5'10" woman). But I ALWAYS check behind me first. If the person behind me as their legs crossed, has a laptop or food on their tray, etc. I'll say something like "I'm going to recline my seat. Does now work, or do you need a few minutes to finish eating/resettle/etc." I've never had anyone give me a hard time and most people thank me for the courtesy heads up. I can deal with the people ahead of me putting back their seat - it's their right - but really resent when they rapidly throw it back without looking. I've had my water bottle knocked over a few times, and - more times than I can count - my kneecaps banged up. The seats are uncomfortable for all but some simple courtesy can make it less bad than living in a vacuum.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And I do every time.

^^obnoxious. what makes you more special than everyone else? nobody has their seat reclined other than 1 or 2 very tall men, who I don’t begrudge.

What do you mean? Everyone has the option to recline, special has nothing to do with it

Look around you. Ask yourself why you are behaving differently than others and what entitles you to do that.

The price of my ticket and the seat options allow me to do that. I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does.

There are so many people like you and you make life unnecessarily unpleasant. It's not about the reclining. It's this self-absorbed attitude. You also likely are a terrible driver, cut lines, think the rules don't apply to you, and yet complain loudly when you don't get your way. Honestly, you are a selfish jerk and you suck.

You may be the most un-self aware person on the planet. Someone is doing something completely within their rights and that makes you mad - who’s the selfish jerk? Since you’re so clueless I’ll answer that for you - you are the selfish jerk. And none too bright to boot.

I am GENUINELY a DP, and it is my guess that what made him mad was the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does." comment. The OP's original comment, which I do not agree with, was fairly benign.

The "I don't give a rat's ass" was me and I'm not OP. That was in response to "look around you and make sure you're doing what everyone else is doing" instruction. So if everyone else decides to stand, I should do the same? How about if everyone else decides to jump up and down?

Do you read the comments you reply to? I agree it is your right to recline and no you need not do as others do, and said so several times. It's the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does" that I find not only distasteful but lowers you to the position you object to. It's self-defeating. If there was not one single response to OP you'd have had the win you clearly require for some reason.

There was no reason to go "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does".

And before you respond to that I know you don't give a rats ass about that either. But maybe you should.

I wasn’t responding to you with that comment. Not even sure why you keep posting other than to read your own words.

Because I think people should be nicer and better here than you were being. You over-reacted 100%. And now you choose to insult me, that's fine, that is your prerogative as well. So I won't comment on this any more as you request. But my point has been made.

That’s your opinion. Me reclining or pointing out that I don’t care what anyone else does with their seats is neither rude nor an over-reaction. I would venture to say that telling me I’m somehow being rude for simply doing what I’m entitled to do is pretty rude. You have a nice day.

NP - There are lots and lots of things someone is "entitled to do" in daily life that unequivocally would be considered rude. I could pepper every conversation I have with obscenities, including when I am speaking to your children. That's rude, right? But I'm entitled to do it. I can park so close to someone else that it is impossible for them to get into their car, or pull their car from a parallel parking spot. As long as I'm legally parked, I'm entitled to do that - but it's rude. I could go on.

I don't think you have thought this through.

No, I don’t think you have. None of your examples make sense. There are obscene language laws and you are most certainly not entitled to spew obscenities at children. Parking so close to the other car is a parking violation and could result in a ticket. Both of those are very clearly “against the rules.” Me reclining my seat is not against any rules other than the ones made up in your head. So you might want to think again.

I'm going to need a cite for both of those "laws."

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And I do every time.

^^obnoxious. what makes you more special than everyone else? nobody has their seat reclined other than 1 or 2 very tall men, who I don’t begrudge.

What do you mean? Everyone has the option to recline, special has nothing to do with it

Look around you. Ask yourself why you are behaving differently than others and what entitles you to do that.

The price of my ticket and the seat options allow me to do that. I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does.

There are so many people like you and you make life unnecessarily unpleasant. It's not about the reclining. It's this self-absorbed attitude. You also likely are a terrible driver, cut lines, think the rules don't apply to you, and yet complain loudly when you don't get your way. Honestly, you are a selfish jerk and you suck.

You may be the most un-self aware person on the planet. Someone is doing something completely within their rights and that makes you mad - who’s the selfish jerk? Since you’re so clueless I’ll answer that for you - you are the selfish jerk. And none too bright to boot.

I am GENUINELY a DP, and it is my guess that what made him mad was the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does." comment. The OP's original comment, which I do not agree with, was fairly benign.

The "I don't give a rat's ass" was me and I'm not OP. That was in response to "look around you and make sure you're doing what everyone else is doing" instruction. So if everyone else decides to stand, I should do the same? How about if everyone else decides to jump up and down?

Do you read the comments you reply to? I agree it is your right to recline and no you need not do as others do, and said so several times. It's the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does" that I find not only distasteful but lowers you to the position you object to. It's self-defeating. If there was not one single response to OP you'd have had the win you clearly require for some reason.

There was no reason to go "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does".

And before you respond to that I know you don't give a rats ass about that either. But maybe you should.

I wasn’t responding to you with that comment. Not even sure why you keep posting other than to read your own words.

Because I think people should be nicer and better here than you were being. You over-reacted 100%. And now you choose to insult me, that's fine, that is your prerogative as well. So I won't comment on this any more as you request. But my point has been made.

That’s your opinion. Me reclining or pointing out that I don’t care what anyone else does with their seats is neither rude nor an over-reaction. I would venture to say that telling me I’m somehow being rude for simply doing what I’m entitled to do is pretty rude. You have a nice day.

NP - There are lots and lots of things someone is "entitled to do" in daily life that unequivocally would be considered rude. I could pepper every conversation I have with obscenities, including when I am speaking to your children. That's rude, right? But I'm entitled to do it. I can park so close to someone else that it is impossible for them to get into their car, or pull their car from a parallel parking spot. As long as I'm legally parked, I'm entitled to do that - but it's rude. I could go on.

I don't think you have thought this through.

No, I don’t think you have. None of your examples make sense. There are obscene language laws and you are most certainly not entitled to spew obscenities at children. Parking so close to the other car is a parking violation and could result in a ticket. Both of those are very clearly “against the rules.” Me reclining my seat is not against any rules other than the ones made up in your head. So you might want to think again.

I'm going to need a cite for both of those "laws."

You're welcome. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/profanity-laws-by-state

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And I do every time.

^^obnoxious. what makes you more special than everyone else? nobody has their seat reclined other than 1 or 2 very tall men, who I don’t begrudge.

What do you mean? Everyone has the option to recline, special has nothing to do with it

Look around you. Ask yourself why you are behaving differently than others and what entitles you to do that.

The price of my ticket and the seat options allow me to do that. I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does.

There are so many people like you and you make life unnecessarily unpleasant. It's not about the reclining. It's this self-absorbed attitude. You also likely are a terrible driver, cut lines, think the rules don't apply to you, and yet complain loudly when you don't get your way. Honestly, you are a selfish jerk and you suck.

You may be the most un-self aware person on the planet. Someone is doing something completely within their rights and that makes you mad - who’s the selfish jerk? Since you’re so clueless I’ll answer that for you - you are the selfish jerk. And none too bright to boot.

I am GENUINELY a DP, and it is my guess that what made him mad was the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does." comment. The OP's original comment, which I do not agree with, was fairly benign.

The "I don't give a rat's ass" was me and I'm not OP. That was in response to "look around you and make sure you're doing what everyone else is doing" instruction. So if everyone else decides to stand, I should do the same? How about if everyone else decides to jump up and down?

Do you read the comments you reply to? I agree it is your right to recline and no you need not do as others do, and said so several times. It's the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does" that I find not only distasteful but lowers you to the position you object to. It's self-defeating. If there was not one single response to OP you'd have had the win you clearly require for some reason.

There was no reason to go "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does".

And before you respond to that I know you don't give a rats ass about that either. But maybe you should.

I wasn’t responding to you with that comment. Not even sure why you keep posting other than to read your own words.

Because I think people should be nicer and better here than you were being. You over-reacted 100%. And now you choose to insult me, that's fine, that is your prerogative as well. So I won't comment on this any more as you request. But my point has been made.

That’s your opinion. Me reclining or pointing out that I don’t care what anyone else does with their seats is neither rude nor an over-reaction. I would venture to say that telling me I’m somehow being rude for simply doing what I’m entitled to do is pretty rude. You have a nice day.

NP - There are lots and lots of things someone is "entitled to do" in daily life that unequivocally would be considered rude. I could pepper every conversation I have with obscenities, including when I am speaking to your children. That's rude, right? But I'm entitled to do it. I can park so close to someone else that it is impossible for them to get into their car, or pull their car from a parallel parking spot. As long as I'm legally parked, I'm entitled to do that - but it's rude. I could go on.

I don't think you have thought this through.

No, I don’t think you have. None of your examples make sense. There are obscene language laws and you are most certainly not entitled to spew obscenities at children. Parking so close to the other car is a parking violation and could result in a ticket. Both of those are very clearly “against the rules.” Me reclining my seat is not against any rules other than the ones made up in your head. So you might want to think again.

There are obscene language laws that have survived first amendment scrutiny? Really? I doubt it, but I am willing to be proven wrong.

Regardless, you really can't conjure up behavior that is both permitted and rude? Your barometer for rudeness is "that which is permitted by law?" That's kinda scary.

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If I bought a seat that reclines and if I want to recline it I will—regardless of my height.

What does height have to do with anything anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. And I do every time.

^^obnoxious. what makes you more special than everyone else? nobody has their seat reclined other than 1 or 2 very tall men, who I don’t begrudge.

What do you mean? Everyone has the option to recline, special has nothing to do with it

Look around you. Ask yourself why you are behaving differently than others and what entitles you to do that.

The price of my ticket and the seat options allow me to do that. I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does.

There are so many people like you and you make life unnecessarily unpleasant. It's not about the reclining. It's this self-absorbed attitude. You also likely are a terrible driver, cut lines, think the rules don't apply to you, and yet complain loudly when you don't get your way. Honestly, you are a selfish jerk and you suck.

You may be the most un-self aware person on the planet. Someone is doing something completely within their rights and that makes you mad - who’s the selfish jerk? Since you’re so clueless I’ll answer that for you - you are the selfish jerk. And none too bright to boot.

I am GENUINELY a DP, and it is my guess that what made him mad was the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does." comment. The OP's original comment, which I do not agree with, was fairly benign.

The "I don't give a rat's ass" was me and I'm not OP. That was in response to "look around you and make sure you're doing what everyone else is doing" instruction. So if everyone else decides to stand, I should do the same? How about if everyone else decides to jump up and down?

Do you read the comments you reply to? I agree it is your right to recline and no you need not do as others do, and said so several times. It's the "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does" that I find not only distasteful but lowers you to the position you object to. It's self-defeating. If there was not one single response to OP you'd have had the win you clearly require for some reason.

There was no reason to go "I don't give a rat's ass what you or anyone else does".

And before you respond to that I know you don't give a rats ass about that either. But maybe you should.

I wasn’t responding to you with that comment. Not even sure why you keep posting other than to read your own words.

Because I think people should be nicer and better here than you were being. You over-reacted 100%. And now you choose to insult me, that's fine, that is your prerogative as well. So I won't comment on this any more as you request. But my point has been made.

That’s your opinion. Me reclining or pointing out that I don’t care what anyone else does with their seats is neither rude nor an over-reaction. I would venture to say that telling me I’m somehow being rude for simply doing what I’m entitled to do is pretty rude. You have a nice day.

NP - There are lots and lots of things someone is "entitled to do" in daily life that unequivocally would be considered rude. I could pepper every conversation I have with obscenities, including when I am speaking to your children. That's rude, right? But I'm entitled to do it. I can park so close to someone else that it is impossible for them to get into their car, or pull their car from a parallel parking spot. As long as I'm legally parked, I'm entitled to do that - but it's rude. I could go on.

I don't think you have thought this through.

No, I don’t think you have. None of your examples make sense. There are obscene language laws and you are most certainly not entitled to spew obscenities at children. Parking so close to the other car is a parking violation and could result in a ticket. Both of those are very clearly “against the rules.” Me reclining my seat is not against any rules other than the ones made up in your head. So you might want to think again.

There are obscene language laws that have survived first amendment scrutiny? Really? I doubt it, but I am willing to be proven wrong.

Regardless, you really can't conjure up behavior that is both permitted and rude? Your barometer for rudeness is "that which is permitted by law?" That's kinda scary.

But who says reclining your seat is rude?? You do? So it must be!!!

If you want to point to the potentially rude behavior which is NOT against the law then do that.

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Ok- if you insist on fully reclining your seat, at least do it gently or give some warning. I’ve had it several times that food/drinks went flying off my tray when the person in front of me banged their seat back.
Not to mention that the last person kept on throwing himself backwards.

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Anonymous wrote:… is it really necessary for an extremely short woman to keep her seat *fully reclined* for the full duration of a 4 hr daytime trip? Come on lady.

Curious as to why she would be less entitled to recline than others. You don't know anything about what back problem she suffers from, or really, anything else about her.

She can recline all she wants, but it's still low class behavior.

and self righteous behavior is complaining about people doing something that she's entitled to that you don't like

The vast majority of people don't like it when someone in front of them reclines. But you obviously don't give a F about them. If you did, you wouldn't recline.

I really don’t.

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Anonymous wrote:… is it really necessary for an extremely short woman to keep her seat *fully reclined* for the full duration of a 4 hr daytime trip? Come on lady.

Curious as to why she would be less entitled to recline than others. You don't know anything about what back problem she suffers from, or really, anything else about her.

She can recline all she wants, but it's still low class behavior.

and self righteous behavior is complaining about people doing something that she's entitled to that you don't like

The vast majority of people don't like it when someone in front of them reclines. But you obviously don't give a F about them. If you did, you wouldn't recline.

I really don’t.

And this is exactly what TrollOP intended to show and you guys bit the hook line and sinker.

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Anonymous wrote:… is it really necessary for an extremely short woman to keep her seat *fully reclined* for the full duration of a 4 hr daytime trip? Come on lady.

Curious as to why she would be less entitled to recline than others. You don't know anything about what back problem she suffers from, or really, anything else about her.

She can recline all she wants, but it's still low class behavior.

and self righteous behavior is complaining about people doing something that she's entitled to that you don't like

The vast majority of people don't like it when someone in front of them reclines. But you obviously don't give a F about them. If you did, you wouldn't recline.

I really don’t.

And this is exactly what TrollOP intended to show and you guys bit the hook line and sinker.

It's not like the anti-recliners care about others either. It doesnt matter if you have back issues, are ill, elderly, unable to sit comfortably in the seat. They are automatically "selfish jerks" .