Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.
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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?
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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?
Motorists show the same consideration to cyclists as vice versa.
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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?

I am not sure why it’s so hard for cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians the same way that cyclists demand that motorists drive with safety and consideration of cyclists or else face legal consequences.
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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?

I am not sure why it’s so hard for cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians the same way that cyclists demand that motorists drive with safety and consideration of cyclists or else face legal consequences.


How many times has a pedestrian died or been injured at the fault of a cyclist? Sure, it has happened, but it is very rare.
What is the consequence of a cyclist hitting a pedestrian versus a car hitting a cyclist?

When a cyclist has to ride on a sidewalk, they have to go very slowly, to the point that the efficiency of being on wheels is lost.
How about we just eliminate any rules of the road so cars, people and bikes just mix, like they did in the early 20th century? Then, everyone has to go very slowly.
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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?

I am not sure why it’s so hard for cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians the same way that cyclists demand that motorists drive with safety and consideration of cyclists or else face legal consequences.


How many times has a pedestrian died or been injured at the fault of a cyclist? Sure, it has happened, but it is very rare.
What is the consequence of a cyclist hitting a pedestrian versus a car hitting a cyclist?

When a cyclist has to ride on a sidewalk, they have to go very slowly, to the point that the efficiency of being on wheels is lost.
How about we just eliminate any rules of the road so cars, people and bikes just mix, like they did in the early 20th century? Then, everyone has to go very slowly.

You may want to pick a different talking point When your core claim is that cyclists are afraid of riding in traffic.
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There is a reason there aren't many cyclists riding on Connecticut Avenue (and many more who don't call themselves cyclists but would if it were safe) and roads like it, and it is riding on an unsafe street despite the amenities that exist there.
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The Dutch invest €595 million annually on urban biking, resulting in €19 BILLION saved in public health care costs alone. That’s how smart goverments do the math on investing in better mobility.

It wastes public money to not do it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504332/

The Netherlands is well known for their high bicycle use. We used the Health Economic Assessment Tool and life table calculations to quantify the population-level health benefits from Dutch cycling levels. Cycling prevents about 6500 deaths each year, and Dutch people have half-a-year-longer life expectancy because of cycling. These health benefits correspond to more than 3% of the Dutch gross domestic product. Our study confirmed that investments in bicycle-promoting policies (e.g., improved bicycle infrastructure and facilities) will likely yield a high cost–benefit ratio in the long term.

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Anonymous wrote:So the criminal lobby’s friend, Charles Allen, now wants to prevent DDOT from funding any safety improvements at all along Connecticut Ave. (like a raised crosswalk on Davenport and Connecticut so that Murch kids can walk more safely to school) UNLESS Allen gets his bike lanes.

Is Allen a bratty child or a public servant?!


Never mind, this is my favorite tantrum

And when pedestrians die will you consider that a tantrum too?


Your doomsaying doesn't work on me

Apparently only bike lives matter. You folks are exactly who you present yourselves. Pedestrian safety = scaremongering. Incredible.


Agree. What makes this move so outrageous is that the alternative they chase is safer for pedestrians than the alternative that Allen wants. He’s completely throwing pedestrians under the bus for the sake of cyclists.


More like under Option 3, pedestrians stepping off a bus will get whacked by speeding cyclists as they try to cross the bike lanes to get to the curb. You wouldn't want that to happen to someone's grandma.


Yep, this is the Connecticut Avenue that Charles Allen wants:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WARNING We've been filming the chaotic & downright dangerous situation at the Westminster Bridge floating bus stop at St Thomas' hospital. Clip includes a speeding cyclist crashing into an elderly person. These designs are not safe & they need to be urgently halted <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mark_J_Harper</a> <a href="https://t.co/MrScNnWLs7">pic.twitter.com/MrScNnWLs7</a></p>— NFBUK (@NFBUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Sorry:

https://twitter.com/NFBUK/status/1787211980027101194


Might one suggest that creating a dedicated bike pathway through RC park be safer for all concerned.


You (falsely) make the assumption that this is solely about commuting downtown, but it isn't. It is about providing a safe mode of transportation in a commercial corridor so people can access amenities in a safe manner, so kids can ride to school safely etc. Sure, some will also commute downtown, but it isn't only about commuting, which is why the people who continuously cite the MWCOG commuting study get it wrong every time.


The bikers who patron the local businesses can use the sidewalks, as they have been for decades. If you are concern is the safety of children biking to school, please explain how diverting traffic to side streets and past several schools increases the safety of children biking. It does not.


Well, yes, they CAN, but sidewalks are primarily for pedestrians. Bicycles on sidewalks don't work for pedestrians or bicyclists, they're only good for drivers who want bicyclists (and pedestrians) to be Somewhere Else, Over There, I Don't Really Care Where As Long As It's Out Of My Way. Sidewalks for pedestrians, bike lanes for people on bikes. This is basic.


Luckily, there aren't enough bicyclists on either Connecticut or its sidewalks for this to have any relevance.

This is true. It’s also true that cyclists can just also ride with concern for the safety of pedestrians when they are on sidewalks.


You mean the same way motorists do when cyclists are on the road?

I am not sure why it’s so hard for cyclists to be considerate of pedestrians the same way that cyclists demand that motorists drive with safety and consideration of cyclists or else face legal consequences.


How many times has a pedestrian died or been injured at the fault of a cyclist? Sure, it has happened, but it is very rare.
What is the consequence of a cyclist hitting a pedestrian versus a car hitting a cyclist?

When a cyclist has to ride on a sidewalk, they have to go very slowly, to the point that the efficiency of being on wheels is lost.
How about we just eliminate any rules of the road so cars, people and bikes just mix, like they did in the early 20th century? Then, everyone has to go very slowly.

How many times has a cyclist died or been injured at the fault of a car on Connecticut Avenue? Sure, it has happened, but it is very rare.

It writes itself. Nice way to reinforce the stereotype of cyclists as entitled, self-centered a-holes.
It’s incredible how
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Anonymous wrote:The Dutch invest €595 million annually on urban biking, resulting in €19 BILLION saved in public health care costs alone. That’s how smart goverments do the math on investing in better mobility.

It wastes public money to not do it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504332/

The Netherlands is well known for their high bicycle use. We used the Health Economic Assessment Tool and life table calculations to quantify the population-level health benefits from Dutch cycling levels. Cycling prevents about 6500 deaths each year, and Dutch people have half-a-year-longer life expectancy because of cycling. These health benefits correspond to more than 3% of the Dutch gross domestic product. Our study confirmed that investments in bicycle-promoting policies (e.g., improved bicycle infrastructure and facilities) will likely yield a high cost–benefit ratio in the long term.



The Netherlands has an extensive and regular public mass transit system with lots of trains and trams. They are also more densely populated and people walk a lot more. Those are the two predicates. If you want us to be more like the Netherlands then we should be building lots of light rail and finishing the sidewalk system not wasting money, time and effort on bike lanes for a few dozen people.
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Anonymous wrote:What the f???

I thought this was done.

I thought the biker bros had lost.


We have been working on this project for like a decade. If you think we were like "ah well, lost the mayor to downtown commercial building pocketbook, guess we should just pack it up and accept our fates of becoming meat pancakes to a speeding MD commuter with paper plates" you were fooling yourself.


“We” refers to a handful of out of touch people who also have very safe alternatives. More importantly, there is no real demand. And that particular corridor has had few if any bike-related accidents in the past fifty years. There was a death in 1971 when a cyclist ran a red light. We would prefer other options for our tax dollars.
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Anonymous wrote:What the f???

I thought this was done.

I thought the biker bros had lost.


We have been working on this project for like a decade. If you think we were like "ah well, lost the mayor to downtown commercial building pocketbook, guess we should just pack it up and accept our fates of becoming meat pancakes to a speeding MD commuter with paper plates" you were fooling yourself.


“We” refers to a handful of out of touch people who also have very safe alternatives. More importantly, there is no real demand. And that particular corridor has had few if any bike-related accidents in the past fifty years. There was a death in 1971 when a cyclist ran a red light. We would prefer other options for our tax dollars.


Speaking of an out of touch minority using "we"
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Anonymous wrote:The Dutch invest €595 million annually on urban biking, resulting in €19 BILLION saved in public health care costs alone. That’s how smart goverments do the math on investing in better mobility.

It wastes public money to not do it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504332/

The Netherlands is well known for their high bicycle use. We used the Health Economic Assessment Tool and life table calculations to quantify the population-level health benefits from Dutch cycling levels. Cycling prevents about 6500 deaths each year, and Dutch people have half-a-year-longer life expectancy because of cycling. These health benefits correspond to more than 3% of the Dutch gross domestic product. Our study confirmed that investments in bicycle-promoting policies (e.g., improved bicycle infrastructure and facilities) will likely yield a high cost–benefit ratio in the long term.



The Netherlands has an extensive and regular public mass transit system with lots of trains and trams. They are also more densely populated and people walk a lot more. Those are the two predicates. If you want us to be more like the Netherlands then we should be building lots of light rail and finishing the sidewalk system not wasting money, time and effort on bike lanes for a few dozen people.

On top of all that, the Netherlands also has the highest rates of car ownership in Europe.
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Connecticut Ave needs 1 lane each way for cars, 1 lane each way for buses, and 1 lane each way for cyclists. Anything more than that creates the “traffic” that people hate
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Dutch invest €595 million annually on urban biking, resulting in €19 BILLION saved in public health care costs alone. That’s how smart goverments do the math on investing in better mobility.

It wastes public money to not do it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504332/

The Netherlands is well known for their high bicycle use. We used the Health Economic Assessment Tool and life table calculations to quantify the population-level health benefits from Dutch cycling levels. Cycling prevents about 6500 deaths each year, and Dutch people have half-a-year-longer life expectancy because of cycling. These health benefits correspond to more than 3% of the Dutch gross domestic product. Our study confirmed that investments in bicycle-promoting policies (e.g., improved bicycle infrastructure and facilities) will likely yield a high cost–benefit ratio in the long term.



The Netherlands has an extensive and regular public mass transit system with lots of trains and trams. They are also more densely populated and people walk a lot more. Those are the two predicates. If you want us to be more like the Netherlands then we should be building lots of light rail and finishing the sidewalk system not wasting money, time and effort on bike lanes for a few dozen people.

On top of all that, the Netherlands also has the highest rates of car ownership in Europe.

They are also building new highways like crazy to ease congestion. G
https://www.autodesk.com/design-make/articles/sustainable-highway#:~:text=A%20new%20highway%20is%20set,to%20the%20project's%20sustainable%20approach.
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