Teachers Resigning Like Crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Actually the opposite. I became angry parents wanted me to sacrifice my health to teach their kids. Never going back to teaching now, I'm done.

You should have resigned at the beginning of Covid. Why didn’t you?

Wish is it -- was she supposed to leave early or sick out out for the kids? You all need to make up your minds.

Just walk out. Tell your garbage school administrators to shove it. Enough is enough. Why should you sacrifice your own health for a school board that cares nothing about you.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

The primary problems I see among the kids in my neighborhood and the ones on my children's sports teams are almost all related to poor parenting. These kids are held accountable for nothing, their parents jump in to rescue them from any adversity, and the kids are showered with things rather than given structure. Speaking to the parents at practice or in the neighborhood, I am disgusted to hear them blame others for everything their kids do. The kids aren't expected to take any responsibility for a single thing. The parents especially seem to vilify teachers and schools, which is wrong. Parents need to look in the mirror and directly at their children when evaluating whom is to blame for kids' bad behavior.

I watch my neighbor children intentionally litter their snack wrappers, and their parents excuse it, saying they didn't know to throw away their trash. If your 12-year-old doesn't know to throw away their trash, that's a reflection of your poor parenting.

The way my children's teammates speak to the coach and to their own parents is appalling. If your 10-year-old completely ignores adults speaking to them, that's a reflection of your poor parenting. If your 10-year-old can't even listen to the coach's directions for 3 minutes without rudely interrupting him or bouncing a ball against the wall while the coach is talking, that's a reflection on you as a parent (Before anyone jumps on me and says that some kids are not neutotypical, I am aware of that, but when 50% of the team acts this way, I'm sure it is not all because of neurodivergence.)

When my kids have invited their classmates to a birthday party, I have encountered kids (ages 8+) who have broken all the plastic forks before cake time, parents who have sent demanding lists of foods, music, and activities that their children like or do not like, kids who have thrown temper tantrums when I tell them they may not go through our personal items, and parents who just stand there watching their kids destroy other people's property.


If the above are the types of behaviors schools are encountering from both students and parents, no wonder the teachers are burning out! They must feel so discouraged and frustrated! I know I am, and I only have to deal with this nonsense a few hours per week!

Thank you for this. I am a teacher and 100 percent agree.

Maybe the public schools need to require parents go to "parenting school" for X hours before allowing their children to enter public school each year???? Has this always been a conflict b/t parents and teachers -- that kids are not sufficiently disciplined at home? I really don't know. I went to Catholic school for most of my K-12 schooling and we were taught manners like holding the door for others and standing up to say "good morning, Mrs.... " when someone walked into the room. In the rural states, the teachers are generally respected as part of the "more educated" people in the community. So, maybe there's less respect for school itself, and teachers in general, in an area where parents don't necessarily look up to or regard teachers as better than themselves.

While helping recently with my son's sport team practice, I did a little keeping of statistics.

1. I said good morning to each of the 24 children separately, using their names as well. Of the 24 children, all fifth grade students, three children said good morning back. That is three out of 24! The rest just looked at me.

2. As I was handing out snacks, the same three children who said good morning all said "Thank you," plus one other child as well. Twenty of the 24 children just took the snack and said nothing to me.

3. When the families left, fewer than half of the parents said a word to the coach or me. The rest just collected their children and left.


It seems that reciprocating greetings is a common courtesy that is no longer being taught by parents. That is unfortunate.

It seems that using appropriate manners, such as thanking someone when they hand you a treat, is also no longer taught by parents.


As a parent myself, I am disgusted by the behavior of several of my children's peers. The lack of respect for others, complete disregard for common courtesy, and lack of empathy I see among other children is horrific. I hate that my children are surrounded by rudeness and disrespect, but I also resent that these children are being raised in homes in which this is the norm, so that means their parents also act that way.

As a parent deciding between our neighborhood ES in FFX County and Catholic school - this post just pushed me closer to choosing Catholic. It will be the same Catholic school I attended as a kid and while I disagree with some of the Church’s teachings, what Catholic schools excel in is character education. When a teacher or other adult entered a classroom, the ENTIRE class was taught to stand up, push in their chair and say “Good morning Mrs / Miss / Sister / Father” - and we were to remain standing until told we may sit back down! It sounds a little draconian writing it out, but it was totally normal and just the culture of the school to respect teachers and adults. Kids who didn’t abide were given a few chances to fall in line but otherwise we’re kicked out if they didn’t. I don’t have a single memory of class disrupted by another student - it just wasn’t done and wasn’t accepted. The other parents who choose to send their kids to Catholic school very likely have the same values - which matters a lot.

Exactly. I don’t understand why so many parents settle for public when they clearly don’t have to.

Some of us don't have any issues with public. My kids who graduated did well, my youngest two are doing well. People come on here to complain, Rarely to they come on here to praise so this board scews towards disgruntled people. Many people are happy with FCPS and where they are. 1 of our 5 went private due to his learning issues and I can tell you, private school issues are different but they're not fewer than public. DH and I don't think FCPS is perfect. No place is but our kids have and are doing well in it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop all the f*ck$n standardized testing on young children. Get big tech out of schools. Problem solved.

OMG enough with the standardized tests. That issue is long gone. There are way more tests in private school. FCPS barely has any now. They got rid of all of them. You sound like a mom of a preschooler or a grandma.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS NOW HIRING TUTORS! All subjects, all levels. P/t and w/o benefits.

$47 an hour.

Bring on the boomers!

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Anonymous wrote:From what I've witnessed kids are behaving better this year than at the beginning of the 2021-22 school year, when middle school students and 9th graders seemed particularly feral. It's just going to take some time given the disruption to learning and development. Parents can't expect teachers to be miracle workers nor can teachers expect parents to have fully compensated for the disruption forced upon them by the public schools. What the teachers can and should do is push back against the refusal of school administrators to discipline students or the imposition of oppressive training and ongoing reporting requirements that interferes with their ability to function effectively in a classroom.

The primary problems I see among the kids in my neighborhood and the ones on my children's sports teams are almost all related to poor parenting. These kids are held accountable for nothing, their parents jump in to rescue them from any adversity, and the kids are showered with things rather than given structure. Speaking to the parents at practice or in the neighborhood, I am disgusted to hear them blame others for everything their kids do. The kids aren't expected to take any responsibility for a single thing. The parents especially seem to vilify teachers and schools, which is wrong. Parents need to look in the mirror and directly at their children when evaluating whom is to blame for kids' bad behavior.

I watch my neighbor children intentionally litter their snack wrappers, and their parents excuse it, saying they didn't know to throw away their trash. If your 12-year-old doesn't know to throw away their trash, that's a reflection of your poor parenting.

The way my children's teammates speak to the coach and to their own parents is appalling. If your 10-year-old completely ignores adults speaking to them, that's a reflection of your poor parenting. If your 10-year-old can't even listen to the coach's directions for 3 minutes without rudely interrupting him or bouncing a ball against the wall while the coach is talking, that's a reflection on you as a parent (Before anyone jumps on me and says that some kids are not neutotypical, I am aware of that, but when 50% of the team acts this way, I'm sure it is not all because of neurodivergence.)

When my kids have invited their classmates to a birthday party, I have encountered kids (ages 8+) who have broken all the plastic forks before cake time, parents who have sent demanding lists of foods, music, and activities that their children like or do not like, kids who have thrown temper tantrums when I tell them they may not go through our personal items, and parents who just stand there watching their kids destroy other people's property.


If the above are the types of behaviors schools are encountering from both students and parents, no wonder the teachers are burning out! They must feel so discouraged and frustrated! I know I am, and I only have to deal with this nonsense a few hours per week!

Thank you for this. I am a teacher and 100 percent agree.

Maybe the public schools need to require parents go to "parenting school" for X hours before allowing their children to enter public school each year???? Has this always been a conflict b/t parents and teachers -- that kids are not sufficiently disciplined at home? I really don't know. I went to Catholic school for most of my K-12 schooling and we were taught manners like holding the door for others and standing up to say "good morning, Mrs.... " when someone walked into the room. In the rural states, the teachers are generally respected as part of the "more educated" people in the community. So, maybe there's less respect for school itself, and teachers in general, in an area where parents don't necessarily look up to or regard teachers as better than themselves.

While helping recently with my son's sport team practice, I did a little keeping of statistics.

1. I said good morning to each of the 24 children separately, using their names as well. Of the 24 children, all fifth grade students, three children said good morning back. That is three out of 24! The rest just looked at me.

2. As I was handing out snacks, the same three children who said good morning all said "Thank you," plus one other child as well. Twenty of the 24 children just took the snack and said nothing to me.

3. When the families left, fewer than half of the parents said a word to the coach or me. The rest just collected their children and left.


It seems that reciprocating greetings is a common courtesy that is no longer being taught by parents. That is unfortunate.

It seems that using appropriate manners, such as thanking someone when they hand you a treat, is also no longer taught by parents.


As a parent myself, I am disgusted by the behavior of several of my children's peers. The lack of respect for others, complete disregard for common courtesy, and lack of empathy I see among other children is horrific. I hate that my children are surrounded by rudeness and disrespect, but I also resent that these children are being raised in homes in which this is the norm, so that means their parents also act that way.

As a parent deciding between our neighborhood ES in FFX County and Catholic school - this post just pushed me closer to choosing Catholic. It will be the same Catholic school I attended as a kid and while I disagree with some of the Church’s teachings, what Catholic schools excel in is character education. When a teacher or other adult entered a classroom, the ENTIRE class was taught to stand up, push in their chair and say “Good morning Mrs / Miss / Sister / Father” - and we were to remain standing until told we may sit back down! It sounds a little draconian writing it out, but it was totally normal and just the culture of the school to respect teachers and adults. Kids who didn’t abide were given a few chances to fall in line but otherwise we’re kicked out if they didn’t. I don’t have a single memory of class disrupted by another student - it just wasn’t done and wasn’t accepted. The other parents who choose to send their kids to Catholic school very likely have the same values - which matters a lot.

Exactly. I don’t understand why so many parents settle for public when they clearly don’t have to.

Some of us don't have any issues with public. My kids who graduated did well, my youngest two are doing well. People come on here to complain, Rarely to they come on here to praise so this board scews towards disgruntled people. Many people are happy with FCPS and where they are. 1 of our 5 went private due to his learning issues and I can tell you, private school issues are different but they're not fewer than public. DH and I don't think FCPS is perfect. No place is but our kids have and are doing well in it.

BUT he went private. I can understandy why. The problem is not the high performing students, the ones who can afford private, or the ones who qualify for Spec. Ed. All the discipline and behavioral issues are hurting the average to slightly below average student who need a well run school that offers appropriate academic supports.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop all the f*ck$n standardized testing on young children. Get big tech out of schools. Problem solved.

OMG enough with the standardized tests. That issue is long gone. There are way more tests in private school. FCPS barely has any now. They got rid of all of them. You sound like a mom of a preschooler or a grandma.

You sound like you live in your mother’s basement.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop all the f*ck$n standardized testing on young children. Get big tech out of schools. Problem solved.

I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS NOW HIRING TUTORS! All subjects, all levels. P/t and w/o benefits.

$47 an hour.

Bring on the boomers!

Is this true? I'm a HS science teacher and this is more than I make an hour.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

Bwahahahahahaha. No dog in this fight because I'm out but clearly you've never been around students?

Kids watch the lesson? No, kids pull out their phones and go on Tiktok and make or watch dance or sex videos. Kids throw water bottles and pencils, and gang up on a low-status kid. Boys start rough housing or fighting, and girls get in groups and start gossiping about an outcast and bullying her. Kids leave in groups to go to the bathroom to fight or vape or take percocet laced with fentanyl and then OD. A few play video games and other sleep because they were up all night playing video games. Oh yeah, three of them actually work.
On assignments, a few kids pull out their phones and google the answers and the lazier ones just wait till they've written everything out and copy it.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

This is funny after how you all SCREAMED that students needed to be in the building students need to build relationships with their teachers. "just look at what covid did to our kids" LOL

Kids would still be in the school building. They could be supervised by a behavior specialist. Teaching as we know it is a dying profession. Teachers dont want the job and students learning shouldn’t be dependent on the availability of a teacher. Software and video lessons ensure continuity in learning.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Oh so you could get rid of them...we understand. It can be a building babysitter. Welp either way enjoy!
Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

This is funny after how you all SCREAMED that students needed to be in the building students need to build relationships with their teachers. "just look at what covid did to our kids" LOL

Kids would still be in the school building. They could be supervised by a behavior specialist. Teaching as we know it is a dying profession. Teachers dont want the job and students learning shouldn’t be dependent on the availability of a teacher. Software and video lessons ensure continuity in learning.

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Public schools are dying because they refuse to provide minimal safety. The migrants will gratefully fill up the spots.

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Anonymous wrote:Covid lockdowns have proven to have been a huge mistake.

Actually the opposite. I became angry parents wanted me to sacrifice my health to teach their kids. Never going back to teaching now, I'm done.

You should have resigned at the beginning of Covid. Why didn’t you?

Wish is it -- was she supposed to leave early or sick out out for the kids? You all need to make up your minds.

LOL-they don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:We talked about this, IMO it shouldn’t be allowed, and they shouldn’t be doing it if they care about the kids. My DS bio teacher quit after winter break.

It's not the military, so they can leave if they want to. I agree that they should try to finish the year for the kids, but I can see why they might need to leave a toxic environment.

This thinking is exactly why teachers are leaving. They’ve long sacrificed for kids, but the reality at the end of the day is that it’s a job. Teachers have their own families they need to sacrifice for. If we want teachers to treat the profession with more we should provide them greater training starting at college and pay them accordingly.

We spend 3-5 year’s training doctors after medical school and then pay them 6 figures. At some point we are going to value the profession that makes all the others possible.

This is often a boiling point during the school year. Teachers have pushed through and put up with so much crap but they see how much longer they have to go and they just throw in the towel. I felt like that in November so I took a few personal days which got me through until Christmas. I'm about to take a few sick days to tide me over until April.

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Anonymous wrote:Things are great here in New Jersey, where the median teacher salary is above $90,000 (versus about $65,000 in Fairfax County). Of course, we pay 2x the property tax you do.

How many years of teaching with a Bachelor’s degree does it take to get up $90k? Just curious. I’m in year 11 in my district and I’m around $81k. I should get to $90k by year 20. That’s nothing to get excited about.

If salaries aren't frozen AGAIN...

I have a MA+30 and have been teaching over 20 years, but only 16 with FCPS. I barely make $90K. I've had an MA the entire time I've been teaching and added the +30 about 15 years ago, so it isn't as though those are new credentials. We've had salary and step freezes so often that I am not on the step I should be.

I've worked for 30 years professional work and make $100,000 and don't have summers off. Teaching might be harder, but there are real other jobs that make this same amount. I think the safety issues are ridiculous in the schools.

Right, but if people aren't willing to do the job, then you don't have people doing the job. That's the bottom line.

It's a necessary job, so you have to get it filled somehow. That means more salary or better benefits or something. The benefits and salary are not too much if you can't find people to do it. Obviously -- and I mean obviously -- if it was that great a trade-off, people would go into teaching from other jobs instead of just saying it's a better deal. If it were, they would do it, especially with requirements loosened.

Not really. That’s what they said about grocery store checkout employees. Should we pay checkout workers 6 figure salaries because they had to work duri by the pandemic and deal with the public and other undesirable traits of their jobs? Nope. Self checkout!

Trends are moving in different directions. Traditional styles of in person teaching are fading away. Time to rethink education.

Great sounds like you are good with having no teachers at school. Enjoy

Many schools already are moving towards flipped classrooms where 1 teacher can record the lesson for multiple classrooms. Kids watch the lesson and then complete the assignments. Many times the assignment is graded by the computer. The teacher can hold office hours for questions or respond via email. Stride K12, Connections Academy, and many others have software based learning augmented by a teacher. We won’t need as many teachers anyway. This is the future.

This is funny after how you all SCREAMED that students needed to be in the building students need to build relationships with their teachers. "just look at what covid did to our kids" LOL

Kids would still be in the school building. They could be supervised by a behavior specialist. Teaching as we know it is a dying profession. Teachers dont want the job and students learning shouldn’t be dependent on the availability of a teacher. Software and video lessons ensure continuity in learning.

Bwhahahah. No "behavior specialist" in their right mind would take that assignment. Overseeing a group of students who are sitting around supposedly learning en masse from a recorded video is not what RBTs, BCBAs, or even behavior techs do.