In the past 30 yrs, many of the elite schools admitted more legacies and less URM. Legacies have connections that parlays into high paying jobs. It's a self selecting group. |
Most of what USNWR uses in rankings is either just from people largely regurgitating the rprevious year's ratings (reputation score) or from data that can be manipulated in one way or another (class size, resources, selectivity). |
Adjusted for undergraduate enrollment doesn't mean adjusted for the percentage of undergraduates who are majoring in engineering. The schools with higher engineering enrollments are at the top. |
Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) is the top undergraduate feeder school to the top dozen or so employers in the tech industry both by total graduates placed and when such placement is adjusted for undergraduate enrollment. Top feeders to tech industry when adjusted for undergraduate enrollment: 1) Carnegie Mellon University 2) Stanford 3) CalTech 4) Harvey Mudd 5) Columbia 6) MIT 7) Georgia Tech 8) USC 9) Rice 10) Duke 11) Princeton 12) UCal-Berkeley 13) Cornell 14) Brown 15) U Penn 16) Harvard 17) U Washington--Seattle 18) Santa Clara 19) Northwestern 20) Northeastern (Boston) 21) Swarthmore 22) Yale 23) UC-San Diego 24) Illinois 25) WashUStL 26) Johns Hopkins 27) UCLA 28) U Waterloo 29) U Chicago 30) Michigan |
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ok but I guess even more amazing for VT. |
Not "the top feeders to the tech industry" but maybe the "top feeders to a subset of positions at 12 companies we searched in LinkedIn." Big difference. By their own admission they analyzed about 0.04% of the industry. Some might say that's a rounding error. I think it's cool they did anything at all. The 12 companies they picked are interesting. But the positions tallied represent a vanishingly small piece of the pie. Like, the crumb that falls of the crumb you try to pick up with your fingers. It's important to describe data accurately. |
This is what drives me crazy about all these rankings--people treat the ranking as if it is meaningful, but the data underlying it is often so limited. |
There's some truth to that. But I would still consider US News to be the most useful and influential of the rankings. All rankings are flawed. But by doing theirs the longest and having been under the microscope for decades due to the outweighted influence they have, they've actually revised and improved their methodology over the years based on critical feedback to a degree newer and usually less transparent rankings simply haven't. Also, the newer rankings would have zero market if they concluded US News were correct. Whoever went first could focus on getting it right and not on simply being different than what had come before. That said, don't rely on a single ranking for a college decision! Even US News literally says "You should not use the rankings as the sole basis for deciding on one school over another. The rankings are a source of useful information about colleges than might otherwise be hard to obtain and can help narrow your search to a small number of colleges that are a good fit." In other words, they are intended to be a starting point in the search process. For that, they are not bad. It's the lack of further research and insecurities of certain consumers that causes the nutty behavior to focus on rank above all else. |
Better than no data |
It isn't a ranking per se, but I think Princeton Review has a lot more valuable information. |
What's the source? We got this - https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech 1 Carnegie Mellon University 2 Columbia University 3 Stanford University 4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 5 California Institute of Technology 6 Harvey Mudd College 7 Georgia Institute of Technology 8 University of Southern California 9 Rice University 10 Harvard University 11 Duke University 12 Cornell University 13 Northeastern University 14 University of California, Berkeley 15 University of Pennsylvania 16 Princeton University 17 Brown University 18 Santa Clara University 19 Northwestern University 20 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 21 Swarthmore College 22 University of California, San Diego 23 University of Washington 24 Yale University 25 Washington University 26 Johns Hopkins University 27 University of Chicago 28 University of California, Los Angeles 29 University of Waterloo 30 University of Michigan BTW is there another Northeastern somewher else? why (Boston)? CMU is top of the top for CS, but not automatic go to school for any other majors. There is no automatic go to school for mediocre majors unless you are super rich. |
Oh Northeastern beat Berkeley on this too |
I should be more accurate myself. They analyzed 70,000, or 0.04% of posted profiles. Every company has tech jobs these days so it's hard to say what the total tech industry size is, but some estimate 12.1m as of 2019. That would come to 0.6% of the market, not counting those who go overseas. A bigger crumb, but still a crumb! https://www.techrepublic.com/article/us-tech-industry-had-12-1-million-employees-in-2019/ I should add I assume we are talking about some version of the College Transitions list. If not, the 70,000 figure could be different. |
| Bryn Mawr doesn't have a 4.5 or 5? |