1600 and Rejected?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

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Anonymous wrote:I know an FCPS grad who got rejected from Va Tech engineering in 2020 with a 1600. Parents had only allowed in state apps so he ended up at Mason.

Ridiculous

No doubt he didn't apply ED. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

+1
And there's no way they can accept all the high-stats students who apply.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

Yes, but it's now coming out that they are rejected for not having the right color skin, "likeability", "creativity", connections, popularity, blah blah blah. Where have you been?

DP. Link to that statement? Or did it just come out of your fevered imagination?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

+ a million

- a million

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

+ a million

+ a million and one more

But chill on the robots analogy. That's not cool. Any kid that will bust the as* to earn those grades and scores should be celebrated

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Unfortunately, this seems to apply to only URMs regardless of their SES. Most of the Black students are recent very well educated immigrants from Caribbean, S America, Africa and other countries. Very few Blacks are from the American families of slaves.

Still, regardless of this fact - as an Asian-American, I would not want to become a Black person or a Hispanic person in USA today. However bad it is for AAPI members, it is worse for Blacks and Hispanics. So, I would be for giving preference to URMs over ORMs or Whites in elite colleges. But, this works for us only if the scales are balanced in some way for ORMs (Over Reprented Minorities AKA Asian-American). My kid got generous merit scholarship from UMD. This offsets any disappointment for not getting into MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Unfortunately, this seems to apply to only URMs regardless of their SES. Most of the Black students are recent very well educated immigrants from Caribbean, S America, Africa and other countries. Very few Blacks are from the American families of slaves.

Still, regardless of this fact - as an Asian-American, I would not want to become a Black person or a Hispanic person in USA today. However bad it is for AAPI members, it is worse for Blacks and Hispanics. So, I would be for giving preference to URMs over ORMs or Whites in elite colleges. But, this works for us only if the scales are balanced in some way for ORMs (Over Reprented Minorities AKA Asian-American). My kid got generous merit scholarship from UMD. This offsets any disappointment for not getting into MIT.

If MIT meant a $100,000 loan, it was never meant to be. And I doubt it was an URM that took your son's spot at MIT. Anyone who took your son's MIT spot did so on merit.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

You basically just said it’s absolutely terrible that anyone would be chosen over a candidate with a 1600 SAT however, if the person chosen with below a 1600 SAT isn’t URM it’s okay because not only do you assume they have a host of other things suddenly make it okay …you also assume said things that suddenly make it okay only exist with non-URMs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Unfortunately, this seems to apply to only URMs regardless of their SES. Most of the Black students are recent very well educated immigrants from Caribbean, S America, Africa and other countries. Very few Blacks are from the American families of slaves.

Still, regardless of this fact - as an Asian-American, I would not want to become a Black person or a Hispanic person in USA today. However bad it is for AAPI members, it is worse for Blacks and Hispanics. So, I would be for giving preference to URMs over ORMs or Whites in elite colleges. But, this works for us only if the scales are balanced in some way for ORMs (Over Reprented Minorities AKA Asian-American). My kid got generous merit scholarship from UMD. This offsets any disappointment for not getting into MIT.

Condescending. It's similar to Harvard that said to Asian students that they may not wish they were Asians. It's pure racism. Don't think if you are a Kamala-loving liberal, you can't be an Asian KKK.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

Racist statement. URMs offer a lot. That's why they are accepted.

It's aggrieved people who make excuses and scapegoat.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how so many of you can be so flabberghasted that 1600s get rejected. Colleges have been saying forever that test scores aren't the be all and end all.

But not their special snowflake....Colleges want balanced classes and balanced people. Perfect scores are not the entire package.

Yes, you always need the right color balance.

Not at all what I was talking about at all.

They want the right balance of people as people. Kids to fill the Orchestra, dance, sports, various majors, kids who truly give to the community with their volunteer work vs those who just do it to check boxes, etc. Kids from all states and different countries. They want humans, not just some academic robot.
Shocking, I know, for some of you to realize that a 1500 kid is just as "smart" as your 1600 kid and might even have more to offer in the overall picture. That's what colleges are looking at.

It would be boring to be on a campus with all 1600/4.0UW kids---and I wouldn't want my kid to experience that.

Not at all. MIT and Caltech are two schools that's less PC and mostly stats driven. That's why no one ever question their grads. An URM graduate of MIT or Caltech is no less of a genius than white or Asian graduates.

+1 look at the thread about the OP lamenting how their URM kid at an ivy has to work harder to prove that they didn't get in due to the color of their skin.

That's what happens when colleges play the race game.

Everyone knows that caltech grads got there due to their smarts, just as no one questions the abilities of an Asian American student at an Ivy league.

If non-URM students are not concerned that they had less than a 1600 and got in over a 1600 student that was rejected why are you so concerned and focused on URM students who are typically a much smaller percentage of the applicant pool? What game are colleges playing to select the non-URM students over the 1600 SAT person that was rejected? Is it Uno, Euchre, Bid Whist?

Non-URMs presumably have something to offer to overcome the lower stats. The full pays or donors, for example, are subsidizing lower income students.

What do URMs have to offer other than the skin color?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Unfortunately, this seems to apply to only URMs regardless of their SES. Most of the Black students are recent very well educated immigrants from Caribbean, S America, Africa and other countries. Very few Blacks are from the American families of slaves.

Still, regardless of this fact - as an Asian-American, I would not want to become a Black person or a Hispanic person in USA today. However bad it is for AAPI members, it is worse for Blacks and Hispanics. So, I would be for giving preference to URMs over ORMs or Whites in elite colleges. But, this works for us only if the scales are balanced in some way for ORMs (Over Reprented Minorities AKA Asian-American). My kid got generous merit scholarship from UMD. This offsets any disappointment for not getting into MIT.

If MIT meant a $100,000 loan, it was never meant to be. And I doubt it was an URM that took your son's spot at MIT. Anyone who took your son's MIT spot did so on merit.

If by "merit" you mean skin-color, race, gender, nationality, diversity, ability to play bongo etc...sure. Academic or EC merit? Nope. Let put that one to rest.

MIT does not mean a $100,000 loan BTW. It is around 80K per year. $80K without adding cost of travel. If we add 5k as cost of travel etc, then it would be arund 85K. So anywhere between $320 - $340K.

https://sfs.mit.edu/undergraduate-students/the-cost-of-attendance/annual-student-budget/

With out HHI, we would be 100% full pay. Never a loan because we had saved the money to pay for all education cost for our kids. But, that is an expense of $340K we would rather not incur. Especially when 4 yrs of UMD costs us only >$40K for room and board, and tuition is free.

Your kid lost our to a better qualified applicant. MIT doesn't give much weight to skin color. Ones nationality, skin color don't solve MIT problem sets. Academic ability does. Keep on believing your less-qualified kid lost our to URM types, if that makes your rejection easier.

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My sister had a 1600 back in the 90s. Rejected at Yale, her first choice. Got into Columbia, Penn and others.