2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

"In 1977, the alligator was reclassified from an endangered to a threatened species. This change in status allowed the alligator once again to be available for commercial use. During the 1980s the alligator came to be viewed as a renewable resource, and several alligator management programs were instituted by the State of Florida. These programs allowed for controlled hunting of the alligator by private individuals and the collection of eggs and hatchlings by licensed alligator farms.

"Alligator farming is now a thriving business, with an estimated 30+ alligator farms in the State of Florida. This multi-million dollar industry generates approximately 300,000 pounds of meat and over 15,000 skins a year. Alligator meat averages $5-$7 a pound wholesale, and while skin prices vary year to year, the average price is $25 per foot. Currently, it is estimated that the state of Florida is home to over 1,000,000 alligators, not counting those raised on commercial alligator farms."

I think this is outdated now and they have become an invasive species. They killed 5 of them at Disney? There are still a million left.

[Anonymous]

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"In 1977, the alligator was reclassified from an endangered to a threatened species. This change in status allowed the alligator once again to be available for commercial use. During the 1980s the alligator came to be viewed as a renewable resource, and several alligator management programs were instituted by the State of Florida. These programs allowed for controlled hunting of the alligator by private individuals and the collection of eggs and hatchlings by licensed alligator farms.

"Alligator farming is now a thriving business, with an estimated 30+ alligator farms in the State of Florida. This multi-million dollar industry generates approximately 300,000 pounds of meat and over 15,000 skins a year. Alligator meat averages $5-$7 a pound wholesale, and while skin prices vary year to year, the average price is $25 per foot. Currently, it is estimated that the state of Florida is home to over 1,000,000 alligators, not counting those raised on commercial alligator farms."

I think this is outdated now and they have become an invasive species. They killed 5 of them at Disney? There are still a million left.

I don't think you know what an "invasive species" is and therefore not much of what you say adds any value to anyone anywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

How can you say, at this point, that Disney should not be blamed?

Because they cannot control mother nature, and had no reason to assume any child would be attacked and eaten by a gator on their property since it has never happened in the history of the park. And because there WERE no swimming signs. But since it did happen on their property, they should and will pay the family some damages. Held entirely to blame? No. They didn't have any foresight that this was an expected thing to happen.

It doesn't have to happen in their park for them to be liable re: signage. As you said, you can't control mother nature. So it's reasonable for Disney to assume there are gators in that area. In fact, they remove gators from their properties, so they DID know. So they have water with gators in them, and the response is to make a beachfront, invite families to gather there, and not post signage warning of said alligators (who do come out of the water onto shorelines to attack prey, and are very fast at doing so). Disney didn't post signage because it was very 'unDisney', i.e. it would interfere with the image they were trying to create, and would probably seriously affect the use of that beachfront by guests. They bet on the fact the gators would not be a problem. They bet wrong.

Ok. That's your opinion. I happen to think some accidents are so unusual as to be unable to pinpoint specific blame. If you disagree, that's fine.

I'm a lawyer and I don't think Disney should be held liable, but I'm sure they will pay. What ever happened to personal responsibility? Something bad happens and we're always looking to blame someone else? FL has a gator management program and Disney more likely than not adhered to it. Furthermore, the parents had a responsibility to ensure their toddler didn't wade into water at night that was posted "no swimming." Why should Disney be responsible for an accident caused by mother nature in an area that warned people to stay out of?

NP here. So do you feel there should not be signs posted anywhere in Florida warning of alligators?

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

How can you say, at this point, that Disney should not be blamed?

Because they cannot control mother nature, and had no reason to assume any child would be attacked and eaten by a gator on their property since it has never happened in the history of the park. And because there WERE no swimming signs. But since it did happen on their property, they should and will pay the family some damages. Held entirely to blame? No. They didn't have any foresight that this was an expected thing to happen.

It doesn't have to happen in their park for them to be liable re: signage. As you said, you can't control mother nature. So it's reasonable for Disney to assume there are gators in that area. In fact, they remove gators from their properties, so they DID know. So they have water with gators in them, and the response is to make a beachfront, invite families to gather there, and not post signage warning of said alligators (who do come out of the water onto shorelines to attack prey, and are very fast at doing so). Disney didn't post signage because it was very 'unDisney', i.e. it would interfere with the image they were trying to create, and would probably seriously affect the use of that beachfront by guests. They bet on the fact the gators would not be a problem. They bet wrong.

Ok. That's your opinion. I happen to think some accidents are so unusual as to be unable to pinpoint specific blame. If you disagree, that's fine.

Np here, if you read legal opinions on this they are overwhelmingly putting Disney at fault as pp said. I am in complete agreement that Disney is at fault.

That's a strong characterization of the legal opinions I've read.

Also, negligence is not an indication of moral fault. Some PPs are equating the two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

Parents should not be blamed bc they didn't have a clue that gators were present.

Disney knew gators were present, and failed to caution people. Disney most certainly should be blamed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

Parents should not be blamed bc they didn't have a clue that gators were present.

Disney knew gators were present, and failed to caution people. Disney most certainly should be blamed.

In a crowded noisy beach with movies, fireworks, boats, etc. Disney did not expect this to happen. No one else did. A perfect storm of events.

[Anonymous]

I know a lot you scoff at the DailyMail, but there's a lot in here that highlights why Disney is at fault. Basically, they knew about the gators and had been warned by employees that they were being desensitized to humans due to being fed by hotel guests. And, btw, I'm not a parent but I do not blame the child's parent for this in any way and am heartbroken for the entire family. So stop stereotyping.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

Parents should not be blamed bc they didn't have a clue that gators were present.

Disney knew gators were present, and failed to caution people. Disney most certainly should be blamed.

In a crowded noisy beach with movies, fireworks, boats, etc. Disney did not expect this to happen. No one else did. A perfect storm of events.

Negligent.

Because everyone knows that you cannot predict the actions of wild animals. That's why you can't domesticate wild animals. That's why zookeepers shoot otherwise calm gorillas to rescue a child.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, here's the story: Parents of boy, 2, dragged to his death by an alligator speak out

http://dailym.ai/1QaahXG

[Anonymous]

I am warning you now! You are ALL on notice!

THERE ARE ALLIGATORS IN FLORIDA! AND SNAKES! AND BUGS! AND OTHER CRITTERS THAT WANT TO LUNCH ON YOU!

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

Parents should not be blamed bc they didn't have a clue that gators were present.

Disney knew gators were present, and failed to caution people. Disney most certainly should be blamed.

In a crowded noisy beach with movies, fireworks, boats, etc. Disney did not expect this to happen. No one else did. A perfect storm of events.

Negligent.

Because everyone knows that you cannot predict the actions of wild animals. That's why you can't domesticate wild animals. That's why zookeepers shoot otherwise calm gorillas to rescue a child.

No, they don't. Several times children have fallen into gorilla enclosures and emerged safely, gorilla safe as well.

As far as predicting wild animals, that's what we do, as a species.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

How can you say, at this point, that Disney should not be blamed?

because it was a wild predatory animal in its natural habitat and Disney had no swimming signs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, here's the story: Parents of boy, 2, dragged to his death by an alligator speak out

http://dailym.ai/1QaahXG

It's interesting that they don't blame Disney in their statement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, here's the story: Parents of boy, 2, dragged to his death by an alligator speak out

http://dailym.ai/1QaahXG

It's interesting that they don't blame Disney in their statement.

I imagine they are not even in the mindspace to engage in that thinking right now. They are probably consumed with grief for their son.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look, ultimately, it was an accident. The parents should not be blamed. Disney should not be blamed. They will pay, which they should, but this was an incredibly unusual, freak accident. Sometimes, nobody is at fault.

How can you say, at this point, that Disney should not be blamed?

Because they cannot control mother nature, and had no reason to assume any child would be attacked and eaten by a gator on their property since it has never happened in the history of the park. And because there WERE no swimming signs. But since it did happen on their property, they should and will pay the family some damages. Held entirely to blame? No. They didn't have any foresight that this was an expected thing to happen.

It doesn't have to happen in their park for them to be liable re: signage. As you said, you can't control mother nature. So it's reasonable for Disney to assume there are gators in that area. In fact, they remove gators from their properties, so they DID know. So they have water with gators in them, and the response is to make a beachfront, invite families to gather there, and not post signage warning of said alligators (who do come out of the water onto shorelines to attack prey, and are very fast at doing so). Disney didn't post signage because it was very 'unDisney', i.e. it would interfere with the image they were trying to create, and would probably seriously affect the use of that beachfront by guests. They bet on the fact the gators would not be a problem. They bet wrong.

Ok. That's your opinion. I happen to think some accidents are so unusual as to be unable to pinpoint specific blame. If you disagree, that's fine.

I'm a lawyer and I don't think Disney should be held liable, but I'm sure they will pay. What ever happened to personal responsibility? Something bad happens and we're always looking to blame someone else? FL has a gator management program and Disney more likely than not adhered to it. Furthermore, the parents had a responsibility to ensure their toddler didn't wade into water at night that was posted "no swimming." Why should Disney be responsible for an accident caused by mother nature in an area that warned people to stay out of?

^^not a great lawyer