MOCO - County Wide Upzoning, Everywhere

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

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The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

You NIMBY's sure do hate "profit" by those evil developers.

How about you all sign up and commit to sell your house at no more than the rate of inflation + cost of improvements? You wouldn't want you to make an undue profit, right?

Oh, you do want to do that? Hmmmm, I wonder why.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

DP, again. Here we go again with the "it's reasonable because voters put them in power" canard. Often enough, the aims of elected representatives don't represent the aims the majority that elected them/the majority of those they are supposed to represent. Better representatives tread much more carefully when this is the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

You NIMBY's sure do hate "profit" by those evil developers.

How about you all sign up and commit to sell your house at no more than the rate of inflation + cost of improvements? You wouldn't want you to make an undue profit, right?

Oh, you do want to do that? Hmmmm, I wonder why.

Developers can profit. No problem with that. Profit tends to drive things.

Changing the rules to create that profit at someone else's expense? Well, that's something with which I'd have a problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

DP. Not a fan of the terms used.

However, I find that allowing property owners to build more types of housing has great potential for negative externalities to nearby property owners or residents. In that sense, a change in zoning to effect such an allowance draws value away from those neighbors staying as it then provides value to those redeveloping properties under the new regime.

I'm guessing that the "victim mentality" quip was a knee-jerk response to the straw-man "Just World" simplification of that PP's position.

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I wish for the developers to put up a 6 sotry building on the left (or as many as are allowed), and as many townhouses as can fit on the right, and a home with chickens behind, of every council and planning board member's single family house.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

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The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

I don't understand what you're saying. Who are these "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive? Why isn't the Great Seneca Plan it where they'd want to be developing housing at density? Why do you think it would harm them (whoever they are) to live in places where the zoning would allow more types of housing?

Also have you ever been to the areas in the scope of the Great Seneca Plan? Or looked at a map of it? Whatever "housing at density" means, most of those areas already have it. Are you implying that the "YIMBY" folks who (etc etc) all live in detached single family houses in the area of Thurgood Marshall ES and Ridgeview MS, or in the few streets east of the synagogue on 28? That seems oddly specific. The other areas in the plan are the apartments and townhouses in the triangle between East Diamond, Muddy Branch, and 270; NIST (where nobody lives); the Washingtonian area; the industrial area between Shady Grove Road and 370 (where nobody lives); and the area around Shady Grove hospital.

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I am not a County Councilmember or a Planning Board member, but I do support the zoning changes, and my neighbors have had chickens for years, and it's fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

I don't understand what you're saying. Who are these "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive? Why isn't the Great Seneca Plan it where they'd want to be developing housing at density? Why do you think it would harm them (whoever they are) to live in places where the zoning would allow more types of housing?

Also have you ever been to the areas in the scope of the Great Seneca Plan? Or looked at a map of it? Whatever "housing at density" means, most of those areas already have it. Are you implying that the "YIMBY" folks who (etc etc) all live in detached single family houses in the area of Thurgood Marshall ES and Ridgeview MS, or in the few streets east of the synagogue on 28? That seems oddly specific. The other areas in the plan are the apartments and townhouses in the triangle between East Diamond, Muddy Branch, and 270; NIST (where nobody lives); the Washingtonian area; the industrial area between Shady Grove Road and 370 (where nobody lives); and the area around Shady Grove hospital.

You should really start by reading this thread, it would answer so many of your questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

Get far with…who?

The YIMBYs love the process when it works for them and whine when it doesn’t. They are currently crying about the fact that the Great Seneca Plan update didn’t touch SFH for the most part. Shouldn’t they really be taking this advice and STFU about it? I mean, the elected officials hired the planners and approved the plan. The decision was made. No complaining.

With the County Council. Do you think calling the County Council victims and leeches will persuade the County Council to do what you're advocating for?

I don't know who these purported YIMBYs are who are purportedly crying about the Great Seneca Plan, or where you encountered them, or whether they called the County Council victims and leeches.

DP. I'm sure that the "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive aren't crying at all about the Great Seneca Plan. That isn't where they'd want to be developing housing at density.

On the one hand, it isn't as profitable an opportunity. On the other, it and similar areas (that would go largely unscathed by the recommendations of the Attainable Housing Report) are their back yards.

I don't understand what you're saying. Who are these "YIMBY" folks who are really pushing the Attainable Housing/Thrive? Why isn't the Great Seneca Plan it where they'd want to be developing housing at density? Why do you think it would harm them (whoever they are) to live in places where the zoning would allow more types of housing?

Also have you ever been to the areas in the scope of the Great Seneca Plan? Or looked at a map of it? Whatever "housing at density" means, most of those areas already have it. Are you implying that the "YIMBY" folks who (etc etc) all live in detached single family houses in the area of Thurgood Marshall ES and Ridgeview MS, or in the few streets east of the synagogue on 28? That seems oddly specific. The other areas in the plan are the apartments and townhouses in the triangle between East Diamond, Muddy Branch, and 270; NIST (where nobody lives); the Washingtonian area; the industrial area between Shady Grove Road and 370 (where nobody lives); and the area around Shady Grove hospital.

You should really start by reading this thread, it would answer so many of your questions.

No, I've read this thread (to my sorrow), and my questions remain. The PP is clearly trying to imply something, and/or allude to something, but I have no idea what.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

No one said housing isn't a need... that was the whole point. Its a need that's not location specific. There are plenty of places to live in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t bother to sign petitions people. They give a false sense of security and are completely ineffective. You need to be sending emails nonstop, requesting meetings with elected representatives and showing up to attend any public events where you can provide public statements to your elected representatives stating opposition to the proposal. Have people protest about it every day. This is proposal is a disaster and we need to do everything possible to have a chance at stopping it. Otherwise the developers and real estate lobby will use their influence to screw over county residents.

An interesting way to frame the issue, given that county residents will live in the housing that will be built as a result of the proposal.

So the perceived needs of an unknown number of residents relocating within the county should completely outweigh the needs and wants of the very real current residents of SFH neighborhoods who purchased them under the current zoning regulations?

Besides, I thought that the planning board said that they needed these changes to provide housing for the projected new residents. If people are residents, they have homes.

Housing is not a perceived need, it's an actual need.

I can acknowledge that some county residents might not benefit from this proposal, but other county residents would benefit. Can you likewise acknowledge that some county residents would benefit from this proposal?

^^^and also, the County Council should be focused on THE FUTURE of Montgomery County. The future of Montgomery County encompasses more than merely what current residents might or might not expect under current laws. I don't think the County Council should weigh "But when I bought my house, I expected the zoning to stay the same forever" more heavily than the what residents of Montgomery County will need in the future.

Or, to put it in more personal terms: I don't think the County Council should weigh my preferences more heavily than my kids' needs. If you don't care about the needs of county residents in the future, then keep doing what you're doing. I do care, though, and that's why I support the zoning proposal.

Are you assuming your kids will never be able to afford a SFH? That's a crappy way to think.

When is the last time you listened to anybody under age 35 talk about housing? I do mean actually listen, not just be in the same room as someone who is talking.

I am the PP and 34 with a 2yr old. I own a home in Chevy Chase, MD. I decided (hint, didn't get some worthless degree) to work in a lucrative field and marry someone who decided to continue working. All of my friends own a home and have owned homes for at least the last 4 years. No family assistance for me.

My daughter will absolutely be able to afford a SFH because I will make sure she can. That is my job as a parent, not the county council's job.

There is plenty of affordability in PG county and further west. Stop being leeches and expect others to bend over backward for you and figure it out.

Oh, PP. I hope the Just World Hypothesis never lets you down.

and i hope the victim mentality never lets you down

So I'm the PP you're responding to, and my hope was actually sincere. I sincerely hope that bad things won't happen to you or yours.

As for the victim mentality - well, that's a weird response. First of all, this is not about me. I'm pushing 60, I've been a homeowner for decades, I'm financially comfortable (though of course bad things can happen to anyone, see above). I don't know why you would assume this was about me. Second of all, this is a zoning proposal that would allow property owners to build more types of housing on the property they own. How did you get from that to "victim mentality" and "leeches"?

Not PP

The county council is the problem..they are the "victims" and "leeches"

The county council, elected by the voters of Montgomery County in 2022? 7 district council members, 4 at large council members - that county council?

However far you get with "new housing only benefits developers" and "housing isn't a need" - and I don't think you'll get far - I think you'll get even less far with "the members of the county council are victims and leeches."

No one said housing isn't a need... that was the whole point. Its a need that's not location specific. There are plenty of places to live in the DMV.

Maybe you would like for Montgomery County's housing policy to be "People without a lot of money should live somewhere else", but that is not going to happen. It would also be bad housing policy.